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REMARKABLE MESSAGES – II
Eleison Comments Issue DCCCLXXVI (876)
April 27, 2024
Can anyone here not recognise Tradition?
Or in the Council Catholics’ perdition?
The second in the series of Messages, supposedly from Heaven, coming to us recently through the small Catholic community in South Texas, is from God the Father. On February 22 He called on all His children to join the army He has formed all over the world in small battalions, because they have been abandoned and betrayed by the vast majority of their shepherds appointed to look after them. Instead these fell asleep and betrayed them – His Voice goes unrecognised by them, but it is about to thunder to awaken them. His children have long been suffering at their hands, but He is arising soon on His children’s behalf. Let them wait just a little longer, lift up their hearts, trust in Him, and have no fear. He loves them. He is coming.
In the “small battalions” can anyone not recognise the scattered remnants of the so-called “Resistance”?On February 26 God the Father followed up with words for His “priest sons” – a tremendous indictment.
Write now, daughter, for My Priest sons. Those who, instead of being My closest collaborators, My most docile and faithful instruments, My rest, have become a very great hindrance; souls of thieves, stealing from My children what belongs to them. Souls rebellious to My Voice, lazy souls. Souls that, having lost Me, do not seek Me. Venturing further and further into darkness they turn their backs to My Light. They will become dryer and more withered than the fig tree I cursed before entering Jerusalem. WAKE UP, sons. See what IN TRUTH is happening around you. Come out from the enemy, out of his confusions and seductions. My Voice is clear, direct. The yes that is yes, the no that is no. The Truth is LIGHT.
Sons, you are surrounded by lies. YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO. And you have absorbed these lies that are so harmful because they obscure the TRUTH, so that your whole being is obscured and you are easily distracted, and you become completely harmless to My enemy. I NEED WARRIOR SONS. PRIESTS AND SOLDIERS. Fearless in battle. WHERE IS YOUR FAITH, sons? SONS, DARKNESS HAS SPREAD, BECAUSE THERE IS NO FAITH IN MY PRIESTS. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SO MUCH DARKNESS, SONS.
And you, so-called Bishops, who should be fathers for My Priest sons, examples and guides, you have become much worse than demons, for at least the demons recognize Me as God, despite hating Me. But you HAVE CAST ME ASIDE and YOU HAVE USED ME FOR YOUR OWN ENDS. Woe to you. Woe to you if you do not recognize this last opportunity. If you do not turn to Me, if you do not recognize your guilt and responsibility. I will call you to an account. NO ONE MOCKS ME. NO ONE TAKES ADVANTAGE OF ME. You have not only let the smoke of Satan infiltrate into My Sanctuary; but you have allowed a whole army of demons to take your places. And you have allowed the usurper to sit on the chair of My Peter – he who is carrying out the Great Treason that will leave My Church desolate. AND YOU HAVE ALLOWED THIS. And you carry with you the terrible Responsibility of this horrendous offence to Me, your GOD. You are so blinded that you do not see how you are being used and manipulated. You have deserted Me and you have abandoned My little ones. And you have abandoned My Jesus. Woe to you.
But I, your GOD, have Mercy. I, your good Father, take pity on your blindness, starvation, and nakedness. MAKE HASTE, sons. THERE IS NO MORE TIME. I speak to you as your Father. But soon I shall speak as the ALL POWERFUL AND ONLY GOD. THE LORD GOD OF HOSTS. HE WHO IS. THE ONLY ONE. WAKE UP. FIGHT. DEFEND WHAT I HAVE ENTRUSTED TO YOU. IT IS THE LAST CALL. I WANT YOU IN MY ARMY. NOW. I HAVE MY PLAN, DO NOT HINDER ME. I have waited for you for a long time and there is no time left. Get your houses in order, sons. I will visit EACH OF YOU. LISTEN TO ME, SONS. STAND UP. I AM COMING.
Kyrie eleison
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Can anyone here not recognise Tradition?
Or in the Council Catholics’ perdition?
I don't think it's traditional to separate the message from the recipient. Those claiming to receive messages from Heaven have always been heavily scrutinized. Why would a message about Tradition be delivered to a N.O. nun?
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I could write many things about this religious community, both pros and cons, but there's one very notable element that would be most relevant to those here.
The community is a very small group -- usually six individuals -- with a core of three. For the first decade and a half, I would have said a core of four. However, one those spiritually "outgrew" the rest. He started with them as a lay brother, professed as a religious, went on to become a religious priest through the Archdiocese of San Antonio, and subsequently discovered the TLM. Eventually, he was allowed by the Diocese to offer the TLM at the community's property once each week. Naturally, those interested in attending began to grow. I don't know the exact "problems" this created, but it was "mutually decided" that his desire to offer the TLM exclusively was not a good fit for their community and he left to pursue his vocation elsewhere.
So, if they're indeed receiving their guidance straight from Heaven, you'd also have to conclude that Heaven wasn't pleased with the TLM being offered there.
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1. Mary (and her Divine Son) would be pleased when ANY Catholic is heavily skeptical about private apparitions. It is what the Church teaches us to do. KEEP IN MIND that no private apparition, no private revelation is necessary for salvation. NONE OF THEM. God's work of Revelation was completed with the death of the last Apostle (St. John). Everything since then is just working out the details -- applying logic and reason to revelation, to spell it out more clearly. Making more explicit what was always believed.
2. Any private revelation, Marian or otherwise, post-1970 that fails to mention the Traditional Movement is suspiciously avoiding the elephant in the room.
It would be like Our Lord appearing to someone during the early Church persecutions, and speaking like He was still preaching in the countryside 30-33 AD, with no Roman persecution ongoing; failing to address the sufferings of His people, who are huddling in catacombs to keep the Faith; giving them zero encouragement. Could you imagine this? Me neither.
3. So this seems more like LARPing. The "seer" in question has heavily consumed *and internalized* the material of Sr. Faustina "Divine Mercy" over the years. She's probably read her works more times than I've read the Gospel of St. Matthew, and that's saying something. And guess what? Sr. Faustina's apparition told her to write stuff down too! What a coincidence!
4. I know there is a danger of seeming biased, self-serving, prideful, etc. But let's be objective here. Something is either good or evil. I don't know about you, but I have ZERO doubts about the goodness of keeping the Catholic Faith in the bulwark of the Traditional Movement. Traditional Catholicism is nothing more or less than "Catholicism continued on past 1970". There are plenty of things I might be worried about at my Personal Judgment, but my time/money/efforts devoted to Tradition will CERTAINLY, yes CERTAINLY fall into the positive column. Just stating facts.
I'm not saying Our Lady has to specifically mention St. Dominic's Chapel here (which is probably 40 miles away from where these apparitions are supposedly taking place), but could she at least mention SOMETHING about the Traditional movement? No one is more faithful to her or her Divine Son than Traditional Catholics today, that's a fact. They have all the marks of her Son: obedience, humility, persecution, serving God faithfully, etc.
Even the rare "survivor" Novus Ordo Catholic, who has survived with the Faith, still is lacking SOME of these marks of Our Lord. Certainly the "persecution" element. No one persecutes Novus Ordo Catholics. The Conciliar Church has bent over backwards the last 50 years to shout to the world it no longer condemns them, and the Conciliar Church wants to be accepted by the world in return. So a "devout" N.O. Catholic can just show up to church at least, and go about their life with a lot more convenience and zero persecution, compared with a Trad Catholic of approximately equal "devotion".
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I didn't see the quote "small battalions" anywhere in the text of this particular excerpt.
But it sure wasn't very clear that there are many priests who ARE following her and her Divine Son -- Traditional Catholic priests -- for whom the criticisms do not apply.
She didn't make any distinctions that I could see.
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2. Any private revelation, Marian or otherwise, post-1970 that fails to mention the Traditional Movement is suspiciously avoiding the elephant in the room.
THIS ^^^.
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I’ve always held His Excellency in the highest regard but +Williamson’s near-obsession with private revelation and dubious apparitions has always confused and bothered me. Even if there’s nothing that explicitly contradicts the faith, there’s nothing of substance here that +Williamson couldn’t have said better in his own words without running the risk of potentially luring readers in to some strange apparition.
I remember once Bishop Tissier was asked about Fatima in an interview. He simply said “Fatima is private revelation so I don’t speak of it publicly.” At the time I was confused. But I understand his position now. Bishops have an incredible hold and influence on the faithful. If a traditional priest says something, most of us take it seriously. How much more a Bishop. Bishops need to be EXTREMELY careful what devotions they promote. It isn’t like you or I saying something off the cuff at a coffee hour after Mass. people take +Williamson very seriously so I think he needs to do a better job of vetting things like this. If Bishop Tissier was unwilling to speak publicly about Fatima, a devotion with mountains of evidence about as close to “de fide” as a revelation like that can get, what does that say about +Williamson’s willingness to speak publicly about apparitions and visions like the one above…Just my two cents…
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I’ve always held His Excellency in the highest regard but +Williamson’s near-obsession with private revelation and dubious apparitions has always confused and bothered me. Even if there’s nothing that explicitly contradicts the faith, there’s nothing of substance here that +Williamson couldn’t have said better in his own words without running the risk of potentially luring readers in to some strange apparition.
I remember once Bishop Tissier was asked about Fatima in an interview. He simply said “Fatima is private revelation so I don’t speak of it publicly.” At the time I was confused. But I understand his position now. Bishops have an incredible hold and influence on the faithful. If a traditional priest says something, most of us take it seriously. How much more a Bishop. Bishops need to be EXTREMELY careful what devotions they promote. It isn’t like you or I saying something off the cuff at a coffee hour after Mass. people take +Williamson very seriously so I think he needs to do a better job of vetting things like this. If Bishop Tissier was unwilling to speak publicly about Fatima, a devotion with mountains of evidence about as close to “de fide” as a revelation like that can get, what does that say about +Williamson’s willingness to speak publicly about apparitions and visions like the one above…Just my two cents…
I fully agree.
On the bright side, it does show that we're not in a Bishop Williamson cult :)
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I’ve always held His Excellency in the highest regard but +Williamson’s near-obsession with private revelation and dubious apparitions has always confused and bothered me. Even if there’s nothing that explicitly contradicts the faith, there’s nothing of substance here that +Williamson couldn’t have said better in his own words without running the risk of potentially luring readers in to some strange apparition.
I remember once Bishop Tissier was asked about Fatima in an interview. He simply said “Fatima is private revelation so I don’t speak of it publicly.” At the time I was confused. But I understand his position now. Bishops have an incredible hold and influence on the faithful. If a traditional priest says something, most of us take it seriously. How much more a Bishop. Bishops need to be EXTREMELY careful what devotions they promote. It isn’t like you or I saying something off the cuff at a coffee hour after Mass. people take +Williamson very seriously so I think he needs to do a better job of vetting things like this. If Bishop Tissier was unwilling to speak publicly about Fatima, a devotion with mountains of evidence about as close to “de fide” as a revelation like that can get, what does that say about +Williamson’s willingness to speak publicly about apparitions and visions like the one above…Just my two cents…
Great post!
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I don't think it's traditional to separate the message from the recipient. Those claiming to receive messages from Heaven have always been heavily scrutinized. Why would a message about Tradition be delivered to a N.O. nun?
This 👆👆👆
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I fully agree.
On the bright side, it does show that we're not in a Bishop Williamson cult :)
Absolutely. I am able to recognize that His Excellency has been a tour de force for Tradition over the years. His positives FAR outweigh his negatives. He has a brilliant mind, a quick wit, a backbone, and intense charisma. He has provided me and my family with abundant guidance over the years.
like anyone, the man has his faults. Those of us who have been around the block a few times are likely able to see this about him and sift the great from the not so good. Those newer to tradition, or maybe those who are a bit more gullible, might get reeled in and take a deep dive into some of these apparitions. In tradition, we are simply trying to eat scraps from the master’s table, wherever we can find them.
if the Church was intact, devotions like this would be throughly vetted and condemned reliably. Alas, we are in the Wild West, so even us laypeople have to put our thinking caps on and discern truth from fiction, even when it comes from the mouths of giants like +Williamson.
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I try to stay away from private revelation, but why doesn't God let us know we are on the right page? I feel like everything has been so silent for so long. Anybody else feel sorta of abandoned? I know we need to persevere, but how much longer?
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I try to stay away from private revelation, but why doesn't God let us know we are on the right page? I feel like everything has been so silent for so long. Anybody else feel sorta of abandoned? I know we need to persevere, but how much longer?
If you are doing your duties of state, you are on the right page. There is nothing more than this. Sanctification and close union with God comes from picking up the small and large crosses God has decided to place before us each and every day. Changing a diaper in the middle of the night. Staying late at work. Making the drive out to a Friday evening Mass when you’re exhausted from a long week.
The Catholic religion is stunningly simple. Don’t forget that it was made for peasants, simpletons, the common folk. There’s no secret revelation that’s going to come out and reveal some great secret that can’t be gained from doing your simple duty every day.
yes, God has at certain times made use of private revelation to instruct the Church, to warn us, etc. but the fact is our faith shouldn’t hinge or rely on any of these.
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If you are doing your duties of state, you are on the right page. There is nothing more than this. Sanctification and close union with God comes from picking up the small and large crosses God has decided to place before us each and every day. Changing a diaper in the middle of the night. Staying late at work. Making the drive out to a Friday evening Mass when you’re exhausted from a long week.
The Catholic religion is stunningly simple. Don’t forget that it was made for peasants, simpletons, the common folk. There’s no secret revelation that’s going to come out and reveal some great secret that can’t be gained from doing your simple duty every day.
yes, God has at certain times made use of private revelation to instruct the Church, to warn us, etc. but the fact is our faith shouldn’t hinge or rely on any of these.
Thank you for the kind encouraging words.
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Yes, the Catholic Faith doesn't have "one weird trick" that will increase your sanctity by 85% overnight.
Or 5 things Catholics need to do today, the fourth one will blow your mind!
(I'm making fun of clickbait classics)
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Lots of excellent responses in this thread, and I agree with all of them.
Just to add one more point: normally the Church (and therefore the faithful) require a MIRACLE to prove that a message is from heaven. No miracle, no locution.
Our Lady of Guadalupe: Bishop said, "Where's the miracle?" Our Lady produced flowers out of season and the miraculous image.
Our Lady of Lourdes: Dig in the dirt, and a spring will come out that will cure people.
Our Lady of Fatima: "Tell everyone to come to this place on October 13th and they will see a miracle." Well, they sure did.
Our Lady of La Salette: Was not approved until people were miraculously cured on the site.
I don't know of any vision from heaven that has ever been approved without miracles taking place there.
So ... where's these people's miracle??!
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Just to add one more point: normally the Church (and therefore the faithful) require a MIRACLE to prove that a message is from heaven. No miracle, no locution.
Even then, "miracles" can be simulated by the devil, and a "miracle" by itself does not guarantee any authenticity. It's only the Church's judgment that can result in moral certainty, of at least "safety," of heeding the words of an alleged locution. That's my issue with Bishop Williamson's use of alleged "Eucharistic miracles" to "prove" the potential validity of the NOM. It would be childsplay for a demon to swap out a host with some human heart muscle (and then to keep it fresh) ... assuming that's even what those phenomena were in Poland, for instance, rather than some red mold. #1 criterion of the Church in evaluating any private revelation or miracle is its theological orthodoxy. Because the NOM Eucharistic Miracles give the impresion that the sacrilegeous bastardized Prot Liturgy can be not only valid but even pleasing to God (to confirm it with miracles), that would instantly rule them out on the basis of heterodoxy. We don't derive our theology from private revelation, but judge private revelation on the basis of Catholic theology.
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I suspect that +W uses these "messages" to help his Faith, in these trying times. Some messages do bring consolation. I don't fault him for that. God can use even false messages to provide hope.
But the fault lies in promoting such to the general public.
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I don't think it's traditional to separate the message from the recipient. Those claiming to receive messages from Heaven have always been heavily scrutinized. Why would a message about Tradition be delivered to a N.O. nun?
The La Salette apparition seems to be an exception to this rule.
The two seers had an apparently erratic life. They were not heretics, of course.
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His Excellency does seem to have a weakness for seers and the like. Remember “Dawn Marie” whomever she was?
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Lots of excellent responses in this thread, and I agree with all of them.
Just to add one more point: normally the Church (and therefore the faithful) require a MIRACLE to prove that a message is from heaven. No miracle, no locution.
Our Lady of Guadalupe: Bishop said, "Where's the miracle?" Our Lady produced flowers out of season and the miraculous image.
Our Lady of Lourdes: Dig in the dirt, and a spring will come out that will cure people.
Our Lady of Fatima: "Tell everyone to come to this place on October 13th and they will see a miracle." Well, they sure did.
Our Lady of La Salette: Was not approved until people were miraculously cured on the site.
I don't know of any vision from heaven that has ever been approved without miracles taking place there.
So ... where's these people's miracle??!
Another good point.
Keep in mind, asking for a miracle from God (or Our Lady) during an apparition, especially if you are expected to write down/publish said apparition, is like asking you for a penny. NOT A BIG DEAL. It's a big deal to US, yes -- but not a big deal for God.
It would be like trying to pick up someone's kids at school, and not bothering to give the "code word" (to show you're legit sent by their parents to pick them up) -- when you HAVE the code word. I mean, the kids are TRAINED not to go with strangers unless they give the prearranged code word, and you HAVE the code word, so ... what's the problem?
Miracles are like Heaven's "code word" to help us distinguish between true (rare) heavenly messages, and the devil's deceits.
Also, Protip: God will not be the least bit upset if you totally dismiss an apparition that seems suspicious to you. It's what we're supposed to do, it's what the Church teaches about private revelations and apparitions. We are supposed to be skeptical by default. Remember, we don't need ANY of these revelations to save our souls.
The fact that Our Lady deigned to procure miracles at Fatima, Guadalupe, etc. shows that she has no problem with the skeptical bishops -- and went out of her way to accommodate them. She approved of their skepticism!
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The La Salette apparition seems to be an exception to this rule.
The two seers had an apparently erratic life. They were not heretics, of course.
The seer of approved apparition in Banneaux publicly supported the Conciliar counter-religion and lived an immoral life.
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Even then, "miracles" can be simulated by the devil, and a "miracle" by itself does not guarantee any authenticity. It's only the Church's judgment that can result in moral certainty, of at least "safety," of heeding the words of an alleged locution. That's my issue with Bishop Williamson's use of alleged "Eucharistic miracles" to "prove" the potential validity of the NOM. It would be childsplay for a demon to swap out a host with some human heart muscle (and then to keep it fresh) ... assuming that's even what those phenomena were in Poland, for instance, rather than some red mold. #1 criterion of the Church in evaluating any private revelation or miracle is its theological orthodoxy. Because the NOM Eucharistic Miracles give the impresion that the sacrilegeous bastardized Prot Liturgy can be not only valid but even pleasing to God (to confirm it with miracles), that would instantly rule them out on the basis of heterodoxy. We don't derive our theology from private revelation, but judge private revelation on the basis of Catholic theology.
This is absolutely correct! The Catholic Church always judged firstly on faith. Are there any contradiction to Catholic doctrine and tradition in the supposed message? In our present modern circuмstances, we have no faithful hierarchy to judge the apparitions popping up all over the world. Our Lady certainly knows the present crisis, so why would she even appear?
Mathew 24:24
For there shall arise false christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.