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Author Topic: Eleison Comments - How Discern part 1 (No. 540)  (Read 4947 times)

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Re: Eleison Comments - How Discern part 1 (No. 540)
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2017, 04:42:35 PM »
A certain pope appears to have had a great liking for Faustina.
Beatified By: Pope John Paul II on April 18, 1993
Canonized By: Pope John Paul II on April 30, 2000
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And now for the "rest of the story" or rather a critique of her diary: http://www.mycatholicsource.com/mcs/ua/user_article-faustinas_divine_mercy_devotion.htm#Start

Completely contradictory as coming from two different religions. Pius XII had put Faustina's writtings on the Index because the content would lead Catholics astray. Even during John XXIII's pontificate, the Holy Office issued condemnations of the Divine Mercy writings twice, so why would JPII supported the thrice-condemned devotion?. Today, the Holy Office of the Inquisition is called "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" as to not offend worldly sensitivities and seems quite inept in maintaining the purity of Catholic doctrine.

Re: Eleison Comments - How Discern part 1 (No. 540)
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2017, 06:49:40 PM »
Completely contradictory as coming from two different religions.
Dead bang right. We cannot accept post V2 beatifications and canonizations precisely because they are not Catholic.


Re: Eleison Comments - How Discern part 1 (No. 540)
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2017, 07:34:27 PM »
Completely contradictory as coming from two different religions. Pius XII had put Faustina's writtings on the Index because the content would lead Catholics astray. Even during John XXIII's pontificate, the Holy Office issued condemnations of the Divine Mercy writings twice, so why would JPII supported the thrice-condemned devotion?. Today, the Holy Office of the Inquisition is called "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" as to not offend worldly sensitivities and seems quite inept in maintaining the purity of Catholic doctrine.
We can see that those with the Catholic sense can and do discern with clarity.  After fifty odd years there are not enough gray shadows which can hide the lies from the light of Truth, and the excuse of ambiguity has been rendered useless in denying the truth about the conciliarists intent and motivations.
Of course this only applies to those who would seek the Truth, and when found, accept it.

Re: Eleison Comments - How Discern part 1 (No. 540)
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2017, 08:13:16 AM »
Dead bang right. We cannot accept post V2 beatifications and canonizations precisely because they are not Catholic.

Yeah Kaz, but I feel guilty for the possibility of doubting real saints... like Maximilian Kolbe or St. Katherine Drexel.

The sinister removal of the Church's traditional devils' advocate investigation process proves how great the modernist sacrilege is.

I've heard from a Catholic scholar, what I thought was a good piece of advise:
"That we can pray for intercession from the Saint and should remain hopeful of their Canonization".

Here, I think we have to apply some Catholic common sense: JPII, Paul VI, John XXIII, Escriva... no way.  
Their modernists actions and controversies were too great to have bypassed the investigation process.

Re: Eleison Comments - How Discern part 1 (No. 540)
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2017, 11:01:01 AM »
This R & R script using familiar masonic bogeymen and all those well-meaning Romans would I am sure persuade any young man to run for the hills to retain his sanity. The impression that shadowy enemies of the Church are controlling the actions of bishops and priests against their spiritual will is not a good recommendation for any young man looking for a healthy home to exercise his religious instincts ...... and instinct will be all that is left after doctrine has been reduced to zero and ritual reduced to pantomime. But R & R, a religion for contented nostalgics, must continue to be sold because Econe's emergency was only a temporary matter and that little doctrinal disagreement could in time be traded for something even better than Swiss confection or Rothschild sponsorship. 
 
I am not convinced that Fatima should be the last gasp of a dying tradition. Fatima is all things to all people and seeing groups of bishops hanging around with their photo-shoots would be lost on most. I have a neigbour who likes to visit such places because they are "spiritual" and she is a practising Hindu! I wonder if they read palms there, too. Equally, the idiosyncratic mind of Bp. W has something in common with my visiting Jehova's Witnesses who constantly warn me of the what is about to happen. It says so on their tablets!
 

But behind the confusion all men are not well-meaning. We could single out Bergoglio but he is a puppet of worldly masters and can be relied upon to give his blessing to a continuing stream of human 'progress' and experimentation. Such are the fruits of a series of reformers whose authority some still grant legitimacy. I would say it passed from them once they intentionally professed a new theology leaving a vacancy in the form of a devolved stewardship detached from modern Rome that many accept.