Author Topic: Eleison Comments CDXXXVI (436) Nov. 22, 2015 A.D. (Read 21558 times)

OldMerry · « **Reply #25 on:** November 22, 2015, 02:51:41 PM »

And now, this partly-told account, that makes the Novus Ordo look better, hangs out there for a week, before readers get "the rest of the story" (whatever that may be).

Ladislaus · « **Reply #26 on:** November 22, 2015, 03:38:20 PM »

Once again we see +Williamson's excessive credulity for things like visions and miracles being his Achilles' heel. We do not draw theological conclusions from such things, not ever. It's very easy for the devil to create fake miracles and visions.

I for one do not believe that God would ever perform a Eucharistic miracle if the Mass itself were displeasing to Him because that could be construed as a tacit endorsement of the Mass. So if Bishop Williamson thinks this "miracle" is legit (along with Garbandal, Valtorta, Dawn Marie, and all the other crap he believes in), then he has no business rejecting the New Mass or doing anything else that he does.

I'm sorry, but when people cling so much to these types of phenomena, that's generally a sign of weak faith. We don't need any of this crap to confirm our faith, and we most certainly do not theologize based on it.

covet truth · « **Reply #27 on:** November 22, 2015, 04:36:14 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Once again we see +Williamson's excessive credulity for things like visions and miracles being his Achilles' heel. We do not draw theological conclusions from such things, not ever. It's very easy for the devil to create fake miracles and visions.

I for one do not believe that God would ever perform a Eucharistic miracle if the Mass itself were displeasing to Him because that could be construed as a tacit endorsement of the Mass. So if Bishop Williamson thinks this "miracle" is legit (along with Garbandal, Valtorta, Dawn Marie, and all the other crap he believes in), then he has no business rejecting the New Mass or doing anything else that he does.

I'm sorry, but when people cling so much to these types of phenomena, that's generally a sign of weak faith. We don't need any of this crap to confirm our faith, and we most certainly do not theologize based on it.

Did you ever consider that this miracle wasn't necessarily for you who doesn't need to have his faith confirmed, but what about the priest who found the host; or the people involved in the process of analyzing it? What about Bergoglio who, maybe more than any of the others, Our Lord is manifesting Himself to show His Real Presence in this particular host? He can't deny the Truth of it even if he doesn't "believe" it. Our Lord's ways are not our ways. None of us can know, let alone judge, the reasons God chooses to make Himself known. It can give us hope for those who were chosen to see it that one day they will also come to believe it.

2Vermont · « **Reply #28 on:** November 22, 2015, 04:40:25 PM »

Quote from: covet truth

Quote from: Ladislaus
Once again we see +Williamson's excessive credulity for things like visions and miracles being his Achilles' heel. We do not draw theological conclusions from such things, not ever. It's very easy for the devil to create fake miracles and visions.

I for one do not believe that God would ever perform a Eucharistic miracle if the Mass itself were displeasing to Him because that could be construed as a tacit endorsement of the Mass. So if Bishop Williamson thinks this "miracle" is legit (along with Garbandal, Valtorta, Dawn Marie, and all the other crap he believes in), then he has no business rejecting the New Mass or doing anything else that he does.

I'm sorry, but when people cling so much to these types of phenomena, that's generally a sign of weak faith. We don't need any of this crap to confirm our faith, and we most certainly do not theologize based on it.

Did you ever consider that this miracle wasn't necessarily for you who doesn't need to have his faith confirmed, but what about the priest who found the host; or the people involved in the process of analyzing it? What about Bergoglio who, maybe more than any of the others, Our Lord is manifesting Himself to show His Real Presence in this particular host? He can't deny the Truth of it even if he doesn't "believe" it. Our Lord's ways are not our ways. None of us can know, let alone judge, the reasons God chooses to make Himself known. It can give us hope for those who were chosen to see it that one day they will also come to believe it.

For those that saw it, what "mass" does it help them to believe in? What mass does it lead them to attend?

richard · « **Reply #29 on:** November 22, 2015, 04:49:58 PM »

Ladislaus said:
Once again we see +Williamson's excessive credulity for things like visions and miracles being his Achilles' heel. We do not draw theological conclusions from such things, not ever. It's very easy for the devil to create fake miracles and visions.

I for one do not believe that God would ever perform a Eucharistic miracle if the Mass itself were displeasing to Him because that could be construed as a tacit endorsement of the Mass. So if Bishop Williamson thinks this "miracle" is legit (along with Garbandal, Valtorta, Dawn Marie, and all the other crap he believes in), then he has no business rejecting the New Mass or doing anything else that he does.

I'm sorry, but when people cling so much to these types of phenomena, that's generally a sign of weak faith. We don't need any of this crap to confirm our faith, and we most certainly do not theologize based on it

CRAP? Seriously?