Author Topic: Eleison Comments CDXXXVI (436) Nov. 22, 2015 A.D. (Read 21559 times)

wallflower · « **Reply #100 on:** November 24, 2015, 09:33:41 AM »

I love how everyone is arguing about this before Bishop Williamson even has time to make his point.

Quote from: TKGS

To use your analogy, I think ignoring the reality of Crisis, i.e, that the See of Peter is vacant, is the equivalent of refusing to operate even though the patient is clearly suffering from a massive tumor that is growing and killing him and simply declaring that the cancer will reverse itself on its own.

We are not doctors and it has already been divinely revealed to us that the patient will not die. Our place, as uncomfortable and fidgety as it can be, is to stand and wait and suffer by Her side.

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #101 on:** November 24, 2015, 09:46:02 AM »

I don't recall receiving any flak for being skeptical of the miracles trotted out for the canonization of JP2. How is skepticism in this case any different? But even if we are unable to disprove or cast suspicion on this event, I am in complete agreement with Ladislaus that we need to ignore it. The validity of at least some of the Conciliar sacraments will always be doubtful due to the changes made to the forms which can be reasonably interpreted to be changes to the meaning of the same. Those types of changes potentially invalidate the sacrament and even if it is not invalidated the positive doubt forces us to act as if it is invalid. I.e. We avoid it like the plague.

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #102 on:** November 24, 2015, 09:55:36 AM »

If you put faith into this "miracle" you would be logically compelled to accept post V2 theology. You can't limit the implications of such a miracle merely to the validity of the sacrament. It would most certainly be a confirmation of the entire Conciliar approach.

JPaul · « **Reply #103 on:** November 24, 2015, 03:27:36 PM »

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If you put faith into this "miracle" you would be logically compelled to accept post V2 theology. You can't limit the implications of such a miracle merely to the validity of the sacrament. It would most certainly be a confirmation of the entire Conciliar approach.

Remember this thinking is within the R&R universe, where you can point out the apostasies and heresies of the conciliar church while maintaining that it it the True Church of Christ, never drawing to the conclusions from the facts that are in evidence

We are back to half rotten fruit again.

BJ5 · « **Reply #104 on:** November 24, 2015, 03:58:28 PM »

Quote from: J.Paul

Quote from: Clemens Maria
If you put faith into this "miracle" you would be logically compelled to accept post V2 theology. You can't limit the implications of such a miracle merely to the validity of the sacrament. It would most certainly be a confirmation of the entire Conciliar approach.

Remember this thinking is within the R&R universe, where you can point out the apostasies and heresies of the conciliar church while maintaining that it it the True Church of Christ, never drawing to the conclusions from the facts that are in evidence

We are back to half rotten fruit again.

What a rotten mess! The R&R daily becomes more untenable. To say that the Conciliar Church is the Mystical Body while shunning its head and all of his Bishops, calling him the Vicar and his Bishops the Apostles while maintaining they are pariah to the remnant is almost ridiculous.

You either agree they are legit, in which case it would seem to be part of your duty as a Catholic to convert them, or agree that they are a different religion and be done with it.