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Offline wallflower

Re: Contra Cekadam by Fr. Francois Chazal - Buy the book here!
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2018, 11:42:48 PM »
Quote from: JPaul on June 06, 2018, 09:17:56 AM
That is right, in fact why are we not seeing a book titled Contra Francisco?  The SSPX and its spinoffs have always spent their efforts attacking the relatively small number of sedevacantists, when the true enemies of the Faith are simply allowed to walk about relatively unmolested.

Isn't there room and talent enough for both?

Many trads already know something's rotten in Rome, that's why they are trads. But for many, sedevacantism is a stronger temptation than returning to the NO. That's why such a book and such effort is needed. Abp Lefebvre was friendly towards sedevacantists and sympathized with their position. However he still was not one himself. With that in mind, it seems perfectly normal for the SSPX and "its spinoffs" to warn against the errors of sedevacantism. Do you not warn constantly of the "errors" of R&R?
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Offline JPaul

Re: Contra Cekadam by Fr. Francois Chazal - Buy the book here!
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2018, 03:47:23 PM »
Quote from: wallflower on June 09, 2018, 11:42:48 PM
Isn't there room and talent enough for both?

Many trads already know something's rotten in Rome, that's why they are trads. But for many, sedevacantism is a stronger temptation than returning to the NO. That's why such a book and such effort is needed. Abp Lefebvre was friendly towards sedevacantists and sympathized with their position. However he still was not one himself. With that in mind, it seems perfectly normal for the SSPX and "its spinoffs" to warn against the errors of sedevacantism. Do you not warn constantly of the "errors" of R&R?
Indeed one needs to be warned, within reason of the problems entailed in these two positions, but there are much bigger and more important issues to process than the respective opinions of Bishops and priests about how to respond to the crisis so  called. After 60 years, it is enough!
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Offline Centroamerica

Re: Contra Cekadam by Fr. Francois Chazal - Buy the book here!
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2018, 08:33:39 PM »


What if, God forbid, Francis really isn't a valid pope? Then all these efforts aimed at those who believe the seat of St. Peter is empty are all just moral less wastes of time that drives wedges between Catholics. Thou shalt not doubt the papacy of Francis cry the laity of the "Resistants".
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Offline ignatius

Re: Contra Cekadam by Fr. Francois Chazal - Buy the book here!
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2018, 08:58:38 PM »
Quote from: Centroamerica on June 10, 2018, 08:33:39 PM

What if, God forbid, Francis really isn't a valid pope? Then all these efforts aimed at those who believe the seat of St. Peter is empty are all just moral less wastes of time that drives wedges between Catholics. Thou shalt not doubt the papacy of Francis cry the laity of the "Resistants".
That's quite a thought, God forbid.  Have to think about it.   Ok, what if it was the other way around.  That would be just terrible too.  Its a shame opposite polars are just so, hm, opposite. 

I'm rather neutral to the question because it means nothing to the life of grace in you.  Lots of leaders left God for bigger things.  Didn't change those who did not want to be changed.  All this bickering is what the devil wants distracting the larger issue to sanctify yourself.
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Offline Matthew

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Re: Contra Cekadam by Fr. Francois Chazal - Buy the book here!
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2018, 09:05:11 PM »
Quote from: Centroamerica on June 10, 2018, 08:33:39 PM

What if, God forbid, Francis really isn't a valid pope? Then all these efforts aimed at those who believe the seat of St. Peter is empty are all just moral less wastes of time that drives wedges between Catholics. Thou shalt not doubt the papacy of Francis cry the laity of the "Resistants".

I, for one, would have nothing to blush for -- not even at God's judgment seat -- whether I'm right or wrong about the Pope question. I don't waste much time on it, I am charitable even towards those I disagree with, I don't call the Pope names or disrespect his person. But at the same time I don't let him cost me my Faith -- and all that seems like a safe position to be in!

That's why I like the old SSPX R&R position. It's prudent, it gets all the benefits of sedevacantism (keeping aloof from the Novus Ordo contagion, keeping the Faith) but none of the "excesses" (personally declaring the Pope deposed, which isn't really for laymen to decide, or editing the Pope's name out of the Canon, which is called for in the Roman Missale, or obsessing over the Pope, trying to convert others to sedevacantism, slipping into dogmatic/schismatic sedevacantism, schismatically cutting oneself off from various groups of Catholics, etc.)
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