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Author Topic: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"  (Read 27939 times)

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Your "explanation" was clearly false.  Here Bishop Williamson explicitly states that he would give him the Holy Oils on the condition that he publicly came out and assented to the legitimacy of "several" NO "Eucharistic miracles".  There are no other conditions laid out.

Then you are schizophrenic, as you previously acknowledged (in post #47):

"+Williamson had other reasons for not wanting to help out Father Hewko besides the stated reason of his not accepting NO Eucharistic miracles ... at least according to Sean's reading of it.  If that's the only reason, his stated reason, then I think many of us would have a problem with effectively dogmatizing something like miracles and private revelations."

Let's not make it a battle of interpretations.

I sent +Williamson the following email, and if he responds, I will post his reply:


Greetings Your Lordship-

Last week, Fr. Hewko published an email correspondence between him and yourself which contained the following passage:

“Reverend,

When you deny the genuinely scientific evidence in favor of miracles taking place at Novus Ordo Masses said by Novus Ordo priests consecrated by Novus Ordo bishops, such as happened in Sokolka, Poland, in 2008, you are not living in the same world or Church as I am.

Please resort to any bishop who shares your own attitude towards reality. Please do not ask me again for Oils for as long as you are defying reality.”


Some online commentators are construing Your Lordship’s words as requiring belief in Novus Ordo miracles as a prerequisite for the reception of holy oils, while others are saying this is simply Your Lordship’s way of telling Fr. Hewko to buzz off (not just because of disagreement on this issue, but 10 others over the years as well), by requiring a condition Your Lordship knows he won’t accept.

In this matter, the Hewkonians have found an ally in the sedevacantists, since both consider Novus Ordo miracles impossible (the sedes, because they allege the Mass is per se invalid; the Hewkonians because they think it would mean God is endorsing the new Mass).

A second issue of complaint stemming from Your Lordship’s words to Fr. Hewko is that Your Lordship is morally obligated to give oils to him (or any other renegade priest on the planet, regardless of his positions, for the good of their faithful), or it is tantamount to “weaponizing” the sacraments.

May I request an additional comment from Your Lordship to clarify your thoughts on:

    -Whether belief in Novus Ordo miracles is required in order to receive holy oils;
    -A response to those who say Your Lordship is required to give oils to anyone who requests them

Semper Idem,
Sean Johnson





From a former Hewkonian:

22.  As we have been manipulated by Fathers Pfeiffer and  Hewko to think of and label Bishop Williamson and his flock of faithful sheep as the “fake and false Resistance”, the damage has been great to the Catholic Resistance at large.  The terms “fake and false Resistance” were devised in order to control the faithful in a propaganda campaign against the Bishop Williamson enemies of the so called “true Resistance”.  We have been deceived and divided by what can be argued as a personal battle between the leaders of Boston, Kentucky and their adherents with those who follow Bishop Williamson as their leader.  This has been devastating to the Resistance fight for the Catholic Faith. When will Father Hewko do the right thing, and repair the damage that he has caused?”

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/problems-questions-and-considerations-regarding-fr-hewko/
Here are the souls being harmed, those who depend upon Fr. Hewko for Sacraments, specifically Extreme Unction and Baptism.  Can these souls be saved without the Holy Oils?  Yes, of course.  Our Lord can save whom He Wills.  Surely He saved the souls of numerous Japanese Catholics during the period of geopolitical persecution and isolation.  
It’s unfortunate, but there are now people who are more or less trapped so far as “following” Fr. Hewko.  This is why God does not intend Catholics to operate like Protestants!  The adults can swallow their pride and return to the SSPX or other places, but enough time has passed that there are children who’ve grown up knowing no other “church” save the Mass whose priest they “follow.”  
Should Bp. W. give oils for the sake of these?  I think so, but apparently His Excellency thinks not.  
The very fact that there are six, going on seven pages of discussion on CI of this matter, a forum whose members are not dependent upon Fr. Hewko for Mass and Sacraments proves that souls are in harm’s way.  
No, Bp. W. is NOT obliged to give oils to every crazy person who asks. The question here is whether Fr. Hewko is a crazy person.  

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A second issue of complaint stemming from Your Lordship’s words to Fr. Hewko is that Your Lordship is morally obligated to give oils to him (or any other renegade priest on the planet, regardless of his positions, for the good of their faithful), or it is tantamount to “weaponizing” the sacraments.

That's the question, IMO. Is +W required to provide holy oils for anyone who asks for them? What does Church teaching say about this?

Is there really not any other bishop in the whole world who can provide holy oils? How about sedevacantist bishops? It seems to me that some of the forum members who are critical of +W's stance of not providing holy oils to Fr. Hewko can ask their bishops to provide oils. But maybe this is too good an opportunity to bash +W for yet another "outrage" against Tradition and all traditionalists (in their opinion). And of course the Hewkonians are going to milk this for all its worth. 

Here are the souls being harmed, those who depend upon Fr. Hewko for Sacraments, specifically Extreme Unction and Baptism.  Can these souls be saved without the Holy Oils?  Yes, of course.  Our Lord can save whom He Wills.  Surely He saved the souls of numerous Japanese Catholics during the period of geopolitical persecution and isolation. 
It’s unfortunate, but there are now people who are more or less trapped so far as “following” Fr. Hewko.  This is why God does not intend Catholics to operate like Protestants!  The adults can swallow their pride and return to the SSPX or other places, but enough time has passed that there are children who’ve grown up knowing no other “church” save the Mass whose priest they “follow.” 
Should Bp. W. give oils for the sake of these?  I think so, but apparently His Excellency thinks not. 
The very fact that there are six, going on seven pages of discussion on CI of this matter, a forum whose members are not dependent upon Fr. Hewko for Mass and Sacraments proves that souls are in harm’s way. 
No, Bp. W. is NOT obliged to give oils to every crazy person who asks. The question here is whether Fr. Hewko is a crazy person. 

Firstly, nobody depends upon Fr. Hewko for sacraments:  

His “faithful” are perfectly content to go years without any sacraments (in order to be “faithful!”). 

There are validly ordained priests all around them whom they could approach, but they choose not to.

As for the length of the thread getting stretched by those not “dependent” upon Hewko for sacraments, I would say firstly that you are deceived regarding the identity of some of this thread’s posters, and secondly that it is their preference for Hewko which is placing them in harm’s way, and not the fact that Williamson won’t facilitate that poisoned ministry:

Was it not Hewko himself who sold his “faithful” that stupid bill of goods by which they must shun all other clergy but himself (eg., red-lighting SSPX Mass attendance, etc.)?