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Author Topic: Bsp. Williamson: "Belief in N.O. Eucharistic Miracles Necessary for Holy Oils"  (Read 28226 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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The ends don’t justify the means.

According to your rationale, every bishop is required to give oils to every priest who comes knocking, no matter what crazy and/or heretical positions he holds (eg., Pope Michael, or Palmar de Troya), simply because these renegades have duped some faithful.

But giving such renegades oils only enables their poisoned ministry, and THAT is what a bishop needs to worry about (particularly when Hewko’s dupes have many other priests from whom they can receive extreme unction, but choose not to).  If they choose to exclude all those priests because of Hewko’s indoctrination, that’s on them, not Williamson.
No, that is not at all my rationale and you're allegiance to +Williamson is clouding clear thinking. Do you think Fr. Hewko is going to sell it or use the Holy Oil for frying fish or quieting a squeaky wheel? Of course not - there is no good reason to withhold it, certainly not the reason +Williamson gave, there is only good reason to give it.

It is only if +Williamson suspected the Holy Oil would in some way be misused would he be justified in withholding it - and he should say what that reason is. But with the way things are in this day and age, +Williamson is just plain wrong. 

If it were you (or one of yours) who needed the sacrament and Fr. Hewko was the only priest who could get to you, guaranteed you'd be singing a different tune - in the next world.

No, that is not at all my rationale and you're allegiance to +Williamson is clouding clear thinking. 

A gratuitous post which ignores the substance of my response.


Offline Stubborn

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A gratuitous post which ignores the substance of my response.
No, what I said answers directly your response, otoh, you are blinding yourself for the sake of defending the good bishop whom *we all* care deeply for.

You're lumping of Fr. Hewko as a renegade priest is irrelevant, even tho I agree he's a renegade, he is still a priest and can save a dying soul - IF he has the holy oil to do it.

 

No, what I said answers directly your response, otoh, you are blinding yourself for the sake of defending the good bishop whom *we all* care deeply for.

You're lumping of Fr. Hewko as a renegade priest is irrelevant, even tho I agree he's a renegade, he is still a priest and can save a dying soul - IF he has the holy oil to do it.

In your first sentence, you simply repeat your gratuitous contention.

In your second sentence, you ignore my post (three posts up) again.

Offline Ladislaus

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You’re in a rut.  This has already been explained to you.

Your "explanation" was clearly false.  Here Bishop Williamson explicitly states that he would give him the Holy Oils on the condition that he publicly came out and assented to the legitimacy of "several" NO "Eucharistic miracles".  There are no other conditions laid out.