I don't want to be like "its not like that at my SSPX chapel" but our SSPX priest is actively preaching against Vatican II right now, not just "misinterpretations of it" and I doubt he's the only one.

I don't want to be like "its not like that at my SSPX chapel" but our SSPX priest is actively preaching against Vatican II right now, not just "misinterpretations of it" and I doubt he's the only one.  Though I'm sure there's a mix depending on where you go.

I am hearing that there are rumors (?) that Bergoglio will be publishing his attack on Ratzinger's Summorum Pontificuм tomorrow.  I wonder how it will affect the SSPX compared to the current indults.  

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2021/07/urgent-prayers-highly-reliable-source.html


Perhaps this deserves a new thread....

I don't want to be like "its not like that at my SSPX chapel" but our SSPX priest is actively preaching against Vatican II right now, not just "misinterpretations of it" and I doubt he's the only one.  Though I'm sure there's a mix depending on where you go.

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I don't know whether Fr. Palliargani (isn't he the one in charge of SSPX ATM) agrees with +Fellay here or not though.  I've heard some people say they think he's tougher.

That's probably just because their hopes of a "recognition" have dimmed.  You'll notice that when they're closing in on an agreement with Rome, their rhetoric softens, but when the talks break down, they magically become more anti-Vatican II again.

Fr. Sulzen.

https://adelantelafe.com/analisis-juridico-del-reconocimiento-de-la-fsspx-en-argentina-un-avance-mas-alla-de-benedicto-xvi/


Legal analysis of the recognition of the FSSPX in Argentina (updated)
 
The news of the recognition, by the Secretariat of Cults of the Argentine Nation, of the Priestly Fraternity San Pio X as part of the Roman Catholic Church is a very important legal act for the implications that it entails. This analysis in no way refers to the questions that arose since the ordinations of four Bishops by Monsignor Lefevbre, nor to the subsequent rapprochement with the Holy See, nor to all the questions that have been debated in these decades about the insertion of the FSSPX in the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church. It is a strict legal analysis of the Resolution of the Secretariat of Cults under the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Worship of the Argentine Republic. I will try to be as schematic, clear and synthetic as possible.
 
1)In Argentina's domestic legislation, the Catholic Church has a very particular status: it is a legal person under public law, according to article 33 of the Civil Code, a legal nature that it shares with the national state, the provinces, the municipalities and the autarchic entities. It is the only non-state legal person under public law, enjoying a higher hierarchy than any association or society you can imagine (banks, multinationals, football clubs, etc.).
2) Constitutionally, the Argentine state is obliged to uphold the Roman Catholic Apostolic Cult and constitutes the official religion of the country, which implies that the Argentine Bishops enjoy remuneration identical to that of a federal judge, in addition to having tax exemptions. There are also multiple connections between State and Church, such as chaplainries in the army, police, prison service and provincial police that are paid for by the state, with priests covering categories of public administration agents (national, provincial or municipal, as the case may be).
3) The Holy See and the Argentine Nation have a Concordat approved by Law 17032 that regulates international relations between both states, constituting an important source of public law. From this concordat arises Law 24.483, which in its article 1 grants civil legal personality to the Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life that enjoy public legal personality in the Catholic Church, with its sole inscription in a register to be maintained by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Worship.
4) Based on Law 24.483 and its regulatory decree 491, the Archbishop of Buenos Aires Mario Aurelio Cardenal POLI requests that the Priestly Fraternity of San Pio X be framed in the terms of said law and be granted recognition, by the Argentine State, as an Institute of Consecrated Life. The application dates from February 23, 2015 and Resolution 25/15 that grants it is dated March 17 of the same year, in an extremely fast process.
5) According to the grounds of the decree published in the Official Gazette of the Argentine Republic, in his petition Cardinal Poli maintains that until the FSSPX finds the definitive framework in the Universal Church, it is taken into account as an Association of Diocesan Law in the terms of article 298 of the Code of Canon Law, and also adds that it is in the process of formation (in fieri) as a Society of Apostolic Life.
6) If you access the official website of the Secretariat of Cults of Argentina there is a Registry of recognized cults in the country (evangelicals, Buddhists, Africanists, etc.) and a Registry of Institutes of Consecrated Life under the terms of Law 24483. This registration is exclusive to the Catholic Church and the forms (with instructions) for its processing are on the web.
7) For its constitution must be accompanied, among other things, the decree of erection of the association, the Constitutions, the consent of the ecclesiastical authority, the Memory (with structure of the institute, form of government, universal supreme authority and local authorities, date of installation in the country, main activities that develops), the appointment of the Superior Major in Argentina, legal headquarters, etc. The papers must be presented, translated into the national language and copies duly certified by the Nunciature, or by the Argentine Embassy to the Holy See, or by the General Secretariat of the Argentine Episcopal Conference, or by the Diocesan Curia competent by reason of domicile (Buenos Aires in this case).
8) In conclusion, it can be said that: a) There is no doubt that both Cardinal Poli (as Archbishop of Buenos Aires) and the Argentine Nation recognize the FSSPX as an integral part of the Roman Catholic Church; b) From the reading of Resolution 25/15, of the domestic legislation of Argentina and of the official forms of the website of the Secretariat of Cults there is also no doubt that the procedure has the express agreement of the FSSPX, the only one that can provide each and every one of the bureaucratic requirements demanded, mainly constitutions, form of government and authorities; c)The FSSPX was registered with the n°381 among the Institutes of Consecrated Life dependent on the Catholic Church. None of the other non-Catholic Christian cults recognized by Argentina are part of the Catholic Church and therefore do not enjoy the benefits that the law provides to their official religion, beyond the treatment and aid that governments provide for the fulfillment of their purposes.
Es posible interpretar que este acto jurídico del Estado Argentino, además del valor simbólico por ser la tierra de S.S. Francisco, tiene un efecto jurídico de grandes proporciones cuyas consecuencias se extienden a la Iglesia Universal. El Cardenal Poli, Arzobispo de Buenos Aires, está otorgando, directa e indirectamente (a través del estado argentino) personería jurídica en los términos del Código de Derecho Canónico Universal.
It is possible to interpret that this legal act of the Argentine State, in addition to the symbolic value for being the land of H.S. Francis, has a legal effect of great proportions whose consequences extend to the Universal Church. Cardinal Poli, Archbishop of Buenos Aires, is granting, directly and indirectly (through the Argentine state) legal personality under the terms of the Code of Universal Canon Law.
 
I reiterate that this means a step forward beyond Benedict XVI. As reported by ACI Prensa on June 27, 2013 in his note "Lefebvristas reaffirm schism and end the dialogue with the Catholic Church" Fr. Lombardi (who refers to Pope Benedict XVI), said that "as long as the Fraternity does not have a canonical status in the Church its ministers do not exercise a legitimate ministry in it". And the same note quotes a statement from the Holy See of February 2009 warned that "the lifting of the excommunication has freed the bishops from a very serious penalty, but it has not changed the legal situation of the Fraternity of St. Pius X, which at the present time does not enjoy any canonical recognition in the Catholic Church."
Legal Reasoning must be nourished by Logic. One thing cannot "be and not be" at the same time. Res.25/15 of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Worship of the Argentine Republic has changed the situation dramatically. Today the FSSPX – on the initiative of the Archbishop of Buenos Aires – is an association of the faithful in the terms of article 298 of the Code of Canon Law and is on its way to being an Institute of Consecrated Life, enjoying full recognition within the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church.
 
H.T (Argentine Jurist)
 
UPDATE (14/04) In Adelante la Fe we have asked this prominent jurist to make an assessment of the various information, from both parties, that try to downplay the importance of this news indicating that it is something merely "administrative". Here's his response: "After the news of the recognition of the Argentine state to the FSSPX, there have been communications, from both sides, that obscure more than clarify.
 
I reread the relevant parts of the Code of Canon Law and am even more convinced that there is no way to consider the FSSPX part of the Church in Argentina and not in the rest of the world. It violates all legal logic.
 
The fact that it is a purely administrative procedure - in order to freely exercise apostolic life - has no basis because they have been in our country for decades, with seminaries, temples, schools and other assets, which they were able to acquire as a non-profit civil association. What is the administrative improvement? Evade Income Tax? Get salaries and subsidies?
 
It would be a very serious situation where they do not commune with Rome but do receive the benefits in Argentina for being "Romans".
 
The procedure took about fifteen working days, unsuitful for any bureaucratic procedure, unless the presentation was made absolutely neat, without missing anything and managed in advance with the authority. The File is bar fifteen (/15) which shows that it began this year and is not a mere note from Poli accompanying a 2011 procedure, as stated by Agencia DICI. It is impossible for this to be reached without the agreement of Rome and Econe."