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Re: Letter of Bp. de Castro Mayer rejecting the TFP
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2019, 12:36:58 PM »
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  • What you say does not make sense. It is nonsensical that a group of Bishops would complain about how the TFP cult "abused the name of Holy Mary" if they were actually what you and TFP/TIA claim they are.

    the condemnation was written on the letterhead of the NCBB and published in several of Brazil’s largest newspapers. It is the misleading teachings of the group and the damage it has done to Catholic families that prompted the bishops’ warning, which characterized the group as a “cult of personality ” (meaning that they are giving excessive or worshipful devotion to their leader) and also accused the group of “abusing the name of Holy Mary.”
    It only does not make sense to a person who has no eyes to see or ears to hear. So let me explain it to you, the bishops are all a bunch of sodomites and leftist liberation theology brainwashed zombies. They have no scruples and will say anything to discredit traditionalists. The pope himself did it three years later to Abp. Lefebvre and Bp. de Castro Mayor. If TFP was a leftist sodomite, liberation theology purveyor, they would have been given an award by the pope and the NCBB. Open your eyes and get over your grudge against Atila Guimaraes, you obviously have a grudge against him for something he did to you some time in the past.


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    The Brazilian Bishops were/are a bunch of sodomite liberation theology purveyors. Just three years later Abp. Lefebvre and Bp. de Castro Mayer were excommucated by Pope St. John Paul the Great, a much higher authority than the NCBB.

    "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones".


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    Re: Letter of Bp. de Castro Mayer rejecting the TFP
    « Reply #16 on: June 27, 2019, 03:05:18 PM »
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  • So let me explain it to you, the bishops are all a bunch of sodomites and leftist liberation theology brainwashed zombies.
    It is nonsensical that a group of Bishops would complain about how the TFP cult "abused the name of Holy Mary" if they were actually what you and TFP/TIA claim they are.
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    Re: Letter of Bp. de Castro Mayer rejecting the TFP
    « Reply #17 on: July 01, 2019, 06:27:16 PM »
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    Re: Letter of Bp. de Castro Mayer rejecting the TFP
    « Reply #18 on: July 01, 2019, 06:28:10 PM »
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  • It is nonsensical that a group of Bishops would complain about how the TFP cult "abused the name of Holy Mary" if they were actually what you and TFP/TIA claim they are.


    No response? Maybe it's better that way. It seems that the defenders of TFP/TIA and other Plinio- worshiping groups engage in name-calling rather than engage in discourse.
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    Re: Letter of Bp. de Castro Mayer rejecting the TFP
    « Reply #19 on: July 01, 2019, 10:26:43 PM »
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  • Oops... :facepalm:

                                  
                            The formal signing of the Vatican II attendance sheets?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Letter of Bp. de Castro Mayer rejecting the TFP
    « Reply #20 on: July 02, 2019, 02:51:06 PM »
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  • Let's go back to the OP.
    LETTER OF BISHOP DE CASTRO MAYER ON THE TFP

    (The following letter, addressed to a layman friend, dated 1984, was published in the Brazilian newspaper Folha da Manhã in 1991)

    Dear N.,

    I owe you an answer to your painful letter of September 24 [1984] that, as the postmark indicates, you sent me on September 25th.

    In this case I can only give you one advice: pray, pray a lot, above all the [15 decade] Rosary or at least the [5 decade] Rosary, asking the Virgin Mother, Mediatrix of all graces, to enlighten her son and make him see that the TFP is a heretical sect because, in fact, although they do not say or write, the TFP lives and behaves according to a principle that fundamentally undermines the truth of Christendom, that is, of the Catholic Church.

    Indeed, it is de fide that Jesus Christ founded His Church - designed to keep the true worship of God on earth and to bring souls to eternal salvation - as an unequal society composed of two classes: one that governs, teaches, and sanctifies, composed of members of the clergy, and another - the faithful - who receive the teaching, are governed and sanctified: This is a dogma de fide.

    St. Pius X wrote that the Church is, in its own nature, an unequal society, meaning that it comprises two orders of persons: shepherds and flock, those belonging to the various levels of the hierarchy, and the multitude of the faithful. These two orders are so utterly distinct that only the hierarchy has the right and authority to guide and govern the members for the purposes of the Church, while the duty of the faithful is to let themselves to be governed and to obediently follow the given path by the ruling class. (Encyclical "Vehementer", February 11, 1906.) The whole history of the Church, as can be seen in the New Testament, attests to this truth as a fundamental dogma of the Church's constitution. It was only to the Apostles that Jesus said, "Go and teach all nations." Also the Acts of the Apostles show us the life of the Church in the times after Jesus Christ. Because of this, it is a heretical subversion to usually follow a layman - therefore a non-member of the Hierarchy - as a spokesman for orthodoxy. So they do not look at what the Church says, what the bishops say, but what this or that [layman] says... And it does not end there: this attitude - even if not openly stated - in fact positions the "leader" as the arbiter of orthodoxy, and is accompanied by a sudden but real mistrust of the hierarchy and clergy in general.

    There is a visceral anti-clericalism in the TFP: everything that comes from the clergy is biasedly received. Basically, it is affirmed that all priests are ignorant, lacking zeal or interested and such other characteristics. Well, thus, having in mind the divine constitution of the Church which was instituted by Jesus Christ, the habitual anti-clericalism of the TFP, latent, makes it a heretical sect, and therefore, as I said, animated by a principle contrary to established dogma by Jesus Christ in the constitution of His Church.

    The TFP, however, had a healthy beginning. There was a certain evolution in the apostolate made by the biweekly newspaper of the Marian Congregation of St. Cecilia entitled The Legionary.

    As a serious and well-intentioned movement, it sought to strengthen the intellectual and religious formation of the members of the Congregation and, consequently, of the biweekly readers. It was influential throughout Brazil. This was the era of [its] obedience to Monsignors Duarte and Leme. I followed and approved of its apostolate, also when it began to fall itself into the anti-clerical spirit, which began by consolidating its positions and then reversing them, putting the Clergy in tow behind a charismatic layman with the monopoly of orthodoxy. Maybe I gave them support beyond a licit point. I withdrew it only when it became clear that my warnings were not being taken into account. They have become useless.

    It is true to note that the deceptions of certain members of the Hierarchy... explain the scandal of the "TFPists", but this does not justify the positions they have taken. And much less for its leader, Plinio.

    In this case, as I said at the beginning of this letter, the remedy is to pray. First, because without prayer nothing is obtained: "Ask," says Our Lord, "and you will receive." It is necessary to pray because charismatic fervor produces a certain fanaticism: individuals become incapable of seeing the objective reality, of perceiving even fundamental errors, because of this inversion of following a layman instead of the legitimate Pastors of the Holy Church. 
    As I have noted, members of the hierarchy unfortunately and often utter words and take positions that any Catholic can see as dissonant of the doctrine and government of the Church of all times...

    I ask Our Lord to give you, and your whole family, a Holy and Merry Christmas and many years full of the grace of God.

    I pray that you pray for me, a servant in Christ Jesus.

    Antônio de Castro Mayer, Bishop Emeritus of Campos.
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    Re: Letter of Bp. de Castro Mayer rejecting the TFP
    « Reply #21 on: July 03, 2019, 11:45:53 AM »
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  • Women with too much time on their hands, it is the ruin of CathInfo. Women like Cera and Meg are a punishment from God upon anyone stupid enough to listen to them. 

    Instructions to Women
    In like manner women also in decent apparel: adorning themselves with modesty and sobriety, not with plaited hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly attire, But as it becometh women professing godliness, with good works. Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection.  But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.  For Adam was first formed; then Eve.  And Adam was not seduced; but the woman being seduced, was in the transgression.  Yet she shall be saved through childbearing; if she continue in faith, and love, and sanctification, with sobriety.(1Tim 2:9-15)

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    Re: Letter of Bp. de Castro Mayer rejecting the TFP
    « Reply #22 on: July 03, 2019, 01:33:46 PM »
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  • Women with too much time on their hands, it is the ruin of CathInfo. Women like Cera and Meg are a punishment from God upon anyone stupid enough to listen to them.

    Instructions to Women
    In like manner women also in decent apparel: adorning themselves with modesty and sobriety, not with plaited hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly attire, But as it becometh women professing godliness, with good works. Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection.  But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.  For Adam was first formed; then Eve.  And Adam was not seduced; but the woman being seduced, was in the transgression.  Yet she shall be saved through childbearing; if she continue in faith, and love, and sanctification, with sobriety.(1Tim 2:9-15)

    Women who disagree with your views need to keep silent. Got it. The thing is, there are men who don't agree with your views. Should they keep silent as well?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Letter of Bp. de Castro Mayer rejecting the TFP
    « Reply #23 on: July 03, 2019, 02:13:19 PM »
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  • Let's go back to the OP.
    LETTER OF BISHOP DE CASTRO MAYER ON THE TFP

    (The following letter, addressed to a layman friend, dated 1984, was published in the Brazilian newspaper Folha da Manhã in 1991)

    Trad Granny,


    Here's an example of "visceral anti-clericalism".



    Furthermore, here's  a scholarly definition, with examples of the term and it doesn't fit Dr. Plineo's behavior at all. anti-clericalism


    Dr. Plineo was at Vatican II trying to rally the clerics to walk-out in protest of the communist-infiltrated commissions and engineered schemas.  If you had ever read "The Rhine Flows Through the Tiber", you would know that the council had been hijacked.

    Corrêa de Oliveira travelled to Rome for the opening session of Vatican II, describing it as “a point in history as sad as the Death of Our Lord” in which the Church was faced by the generalized, co-ordinated, and audacious action of its internal enemies. Oliveira was accompanied by members of the Brazilian TFP who brought twenty trunks of TFP literature. During the first session of the Council, he provided a secretariat which served Brazilian bishops Antônio de Castro Mayer and Geraldo de Proença Sigaud and other bishops of the traditional faction, who ultimately formed the Coetus Internationalis Patrum. Corrêa de Oliveira’s opposition to the direction of the Council continued, and in a 1976 addendum to his book, Revolution and Counter-Revolution, he described Vatican II as “one of the greatest calamities, if not the greatest, in the history of the Church”. His strong opposition led to him being described as a “revanchist” within the ultraditional faction.


    And if Bp. de Castro Meyer didn't like it that Plineo didn't follow him, could it be because the Bishop had signed the Vatican II docs and wasn't taking action to protest against the Council?  

    In fact, he didn't even publicly join +ABL until after he had retired his office.  
    This was not traditional Catholic leadership on his part.  

    Dr. Plineo's Lay Catholic action was not hindered by such compromises, which we now call "false-obedience".

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Letter of Bp. de Castro Mayer rejecting the TFP
    « Reply #24 on: July 04, 2019, 02:38:22 AM »
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  • Trad Granny,


    Here's an example of "visceral anti-clericalism".



    Furthermore, here's  a scholarly definition, with examples of the term and it doesn't fit Dr. Plineo's behavior at all. anti-clericalism


    Dr. Plineo was at Vatican II trying to rally the clerics to walk-out in protest of the communist-infiltrated commissions and engineered schemas.  If you had ever read "The Rhine Flows Through the Tiber", you would know that the council had been hijacked.

    Corrêa de Oliveira travelled to Rome for the opening session of Vatican II, describing it as “a point in history as sad as the Death of Our Lord” in which the Church was faced by the generalized, co-ordinated, and audacious action of its internal enemies. Oliveira was accompanied by members of the Brazilian TFP who brought twenty trunks of TFP literature. During the first session of the Council, he provided a secretariat which served Brazilian bishops Antônio de Castro Mayer and Geraldo de Proença Sigaud and other bishops of the traditional faction, who ultimately formed the Coetus Internationalis Patrum. Corrêa de Oliveira’s opposition to the direction of the Council continued, and in a 1976 addendum to his book, Revolution and Counter-Revolution, he described Vatican II as “one of the greatest calamities, if not the greatest, in the history of the Church”. His strong opposition led to him being described as a “revanchist” within the ultraditional faction.


    And if Bp. de Castro Meyer didn't like it that Plineo didn't follow him, could it be because the Bishop had signed the Vatican II docs and wasn't taking action to protest against the Council?  

    In fact, he didn't even publicly join +ABL until after he had retired his office.  
    This was not traditional Catholic leadership on his part.  

    Dr. Plineo's Lay Catholic action was not hindered by such compromises, which we now call "false-obedience".
    That's the beauty about R&R.  You can fit a square peg into a round hole and vice versa!

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    Re: Letter of Bp. de Castro Mayer rejecting the TFP
    « Reply #25 on: July 04, 2019, 01:35:28 PM »
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  • Women who disagree with your views need to keep silent. Got it. The thing is, there are men who don't agree with your views. Should they keep silent as well?
    One has to wonder about the mental capacities of the three people who gave a thumbs down to this question.
    Evidently they are incapable of a thoughtful response.
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