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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Matthew on June 25, 2019, 12:10:40 AM
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LETTER OF BISHOP DE CASTRO MAYER ON THE TFP
(The following letter, addressed to a layman friend, dated 1984, was published in the Brazilian newspaper Folha da Manhã in 1991)
Dear N.,
I owe you an answer to your painful letter of September 24 [1984] that, as the postmark indicates, you sent me on September 25th.
In this case I can only give you one advice: pray, pray a lot, above all the [15 decade] Rosary or at least the [5 decade] Rosary, asking the Virgin Mother, Mediatrix of all graces, to enlighten her son and make him see that the TFP is a heretical sect because, in fact, although they do not say or write, the TFP lives and behaves according to a principle that fundamentally undermines the truth of Christendom, that is, of the Catholic Church.
Indeed, it is de fide that Jesus Christ founded His Church - designed to keep the true worship of God on earth and to bring souls to eternal salvation - as an unequal society composed of two classes: one that governs, teaches, and sanctifies, composed of members of the clergy, and another - the faithful - who receive the teaching, are governed and sanctified: This is a dogma de fide.
St. Pius X wrote that the Church is, in its own nature, an unequal society, meaning that it comprises two orders of persons: shepherds and flock, those belonging to the various levels of the hierarchy, and the multitude of the faithful. These two orders are so utterly distinct that only the hierarchy has the right and authority to guide and govern the members for the purposes of the Church, while the duty of the faithful is to let themselves to be governed and to obediently follow the given path by the ruling class. (Encyclical "Vehementer", February 11, 1906.) The whole history of the Church, as can be seen in the New Testament, attests to this truth as a fundamental dogma of the Church's constitution. It was only to the Apostles that Jesus said, "Go and teach all nations." Also the Acts of the Apostles show us the life of the Church in the times after Jesus Christ. Because of this, it is a heretical subversion to usually follow a layman - therefore a non-member of the Hierarchy - as a spokesman for orthodoxy. So they do not look at what the Church says, what the bishops say, but what this or that [layman] says... And it does not end there: this attitude - even if not openly stated - in fact positions the "leader" as the arbiter of orthodoxy, and is accompanied by a sudden but real mistrust of the hierarchy and clergy in general.
There is a visceral anti-clericalism in the TFP: everything that comes from the clergy is biasedly received. Basically, it is affirmed that all priests are ignorant, lacking zeal or interested and such other characteristics. Well, thus, having in mind the divine constitution of the Church which was instituted by Jesus Christ, the habitual anti-clericalism of the TFP, latent, makes it a heretical sect, and therefore, as I said, animated by a principle contrary to established dogma by Jesus Christ in the constitution of His Church.
The TFP, however, had a healthy beginning. There was a certain evolution in the apostolate made by the biweekly newspaper of the Marian Congregation of St. Cecilia entitled The Legionary.
As a serious and well-intentioned movement, it sought to strengthen the intellectual and religious formation of the members of the Congregation and, consequently, of the biweekly readers. It was influential throughout Brazil. This was the era of [its] obedience to Monsignors Duarte and Leme. I followed and approved of its apostolate, also when it began to fall itself into the anti-clerical spirit, which began by consolidating its positions and then reversing them, putting the Clergy in tow behind a charismatic layman with the monopoly of orthodoxy. Maybe I gave them support beyond a licit point. I withdrew it only when it became clear that my warnings were not being taken into account. They have become useless.
It is true to note that the deceptions of certain members of the Hierarchy... explain the scandal of the "TFPists", but this does not justify the positions they have taken. And much less for its leader, Plinio.
In this case, as I said at the beginning of this letter, the remedy is to pray. First, because without prayer nothing is obtained: "Ask," says Our Lord, "and you will receive." It is necessary to pray because charismatic fervor produces a certain fanaticism: individuals become incapable of seeing the objective reality, of perceiving even fundamental errors, because of this inversion of following a layman instead of the legitimate Pastors of the Holy Church.
As I have noted, members of the hierarchy unfortunately and often utter words and take positions that any Catholic can see as dissonant of the doctrine and government of the Church of all times...
I ask Our Lord to give you, and your whole family, a Holy and Merry Christmas and many years full of the grace of God.
I pray that you pray for me, a servant in Christ Jesus.
Antônio de Castro Mayer, Bishop Emeritus of Campos.
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Bp. Williamson has lectured that the suppression of lay Catholic action is just what the jews desired.
For lay Catholics to be controlled by clerical hirelings is the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic dream.
This is why they've engineered a spineless form of tradition to lead us, known as the neoSSPX.
His Excellency even admitted that the destruction of lay Catholic action, such as Action Francaise and the Cristeros helped to put us in the catastrophe we're living in now. Catholic men immobilized and paralyzed is just what the devil wants.
So tell me Matthew, which clergy will lead us?
Are we still waiting for Broadstairs to lead us? It hasn't happened. It won't happen.
The answer is clericalism is either unable or refuses to lead us anywhere.
Let the priests give the Sacraments, but it will be the lay Catholics who must lead & fight.
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Viva Cristo Rey!
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These two orders are so utterly distinct that only the hierarchy has the right and authority to guide and govern the members for the purposes of the Church, while the duty of the faithful is to let themselves to be governed and to obediently follow the given path by the ruling class.
Been there, done that, it does not work if the priests have been compromised, the shepherds have been struck. The clergy has rarely led any uprising, they will always come in late when practically all is done already.
If the SSPX followed that advise, they would not exist. If the Neo-SSPX followed that advise they would be with the SSPX. If all the people here followed that, CathInfo would not exist.
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These two orders are so utterly distinct that only the hierarchy has the right and authority to guide and govern the members for the purposes of the Church, while the duty of the faithful is to let themselves to be governed and to obediently follow the given path by the ruling class.
Been there, done that, it does not work if the priests have been compromised, the shepherds have been struck. The clergy has rarely led any uprising, they will always come in late when practically all is done already.
If the SSPX followed that advise, they would not exist. If the Neo-SSPX followed that advise they would be with the SSPX. If all the people here followed that, CathInfo would not exist.
Not even Bp. de Castro Mayer followed his own advice, for he did not follow the pope or the ruling class.
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Well, given the fact that the clerics of the Church, the hierarchy, brought us Vatican II and the New Mass, perhaps the TFP could be excused from a touch of anti-clericalism. In fact, R&R as a whole hardly differs from these sentiments, operating under the implication that the legitimately appointed clerical hierarchy of the Church can sometimes not be trusted.
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Not even Bp. de Castro Mayer followed his own advice, for he did not follow the pope or the ruling class.
Yes, this is right along the lines of what I was saying. You'd have to be a sedevacantist not to labor under some degree of so-called anti-clericalism. Reports are, by the way, that Bishop de Castro Mayer was in fact privately a sedevacantist.
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There is a visceral anti-clericalism in the TFP: everything that comes from the clergy is biasedly received. Basically, it is affirmed that all priests are ignorant, lacking zeal or interested and such other characteristics. Well, thus, having in mind the divine constitution of the Church which was instituted by Jesus Christ, the habitual anti-clericalism of the TFP, latent, makes it a heretical sect, and therefore, as I said, animated by a principle contrary to established dogma by Jesus Christ in the constitution of His Church.
The TFP, however, had a healthy beginning. There was a certain evolution in the apostolate made by the biweekly newspaper of the Marian Congregation of St. Cecilia entitled The Legionary.
As a serious and well-intentioned movement, it sought to strengthen the intellectual and religious formation of the members of the Congregation and, consequently, of the biweekly readers. It was influential throughout Brazil. This was the era of [its] obedience to Monsignors Duarte and Leme. I followed and approved of its apostolate, also when it began to fall itself into the anti-clerical spirit, which began by consolidating its positions and then reversing them, putting the Clergy in tow behind a charismatic layman with the monopoly of orthodoxy. Maybe I gave them support beyond a licit point. I withdrew it only when it became clear that my warnings were not being taken into account. They have become useless.
It is true to note that the deceptions of certain members of the Hierarchy... explain the scandal of the "TFPists", but this does not justify the positions they have taken. And much less for its leader, Plinio.
I wasn't aware of the beginnings of TFP, in that it was originally obedient to Monsignors Duarte and Leme. I wonder at what point this obedience ended, and they began to be loyal (and obedient?) to Plinio.
Bp. Castro de Mayer says that..."It is true that the deceptions of certain members of the hierarchy...explain the scandal of the "TFPists," but this does not justify the positions they have taken. And much less for its leader, Plinio."
Bp. Mayer only mentions Plinio briefly, in the above statement. But of course his letter mainly focuses on the error of following a lay leader to the point of fanaticism.
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Hey, thanks Bp. Castor de Mayer! We need your prayers now, for sure :facepalm:
Our "Ruling Class"
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Argentine Marrano, Peℓσѕι said she prayed to St. Joseph for passage of Obamacare.
But Rabbi Schumer flat-out believes all goyim should die under the supervision of тαℓмυdic health care.
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The TFP is one thing, the TIA is another. When we talk about TIA around here, we place it under Atila's leadership and usually with the understanding that Atila is the only one carrying out Plinio's vision of what the TFP should have been. When we speak about the TFP, it's almost always in regards to its past with Plinio. The TFP as it is today hardly gets any airplay, but with Plinio and Atila gone they seem to have dialed back their initial fervor to the point that Bishop de Castro Mayer's condemnation hardly seems to fit them anymore, for better or worse. "Better" because they avoid getting involved with traditionalist infighting and "worse" because they shy away from VII.
TIA on the other hand, seems to have proved beyond a shadow of doubt that they won't be content to merely contribute to the growing scholarly criticism of the VII/NO faction (their efforts here were fantastic), but they must also act as TFP apologists and hatchetmen using some of the weakest standards of investigative journalism I have ever seen. And now that they've continued to set their sights on Archbishop Lefebvre with no other cause than to say 'we did it first and we did it better,' they've only exposed themselves as a compromised organization.
Note that when someone brought up the subject of Dr. Chojnowski's investigation of the two Lucys, all TIA could say was 'we did it first.' They couldn't be pleased that someone else was hoping to add to the discussion, they wanted all the credit :
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B999_M026_Glorious.html (https://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B999_M026_Glorious.html)
(Re-discovering the Two Sister Lucys letter)
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Along the same lines of the OP, (Bishop Mayer's letter) is the Brazilian Bishops condemnation of TFP:
. . .on April, 18 1985 the NCBB (National Council of Brazilian Bishops) condemned the group and ordered Catholics to have nothing to do with it. The response of the group has been to claim that its anti-Communist stance prompted the bishops’ opposition, and that the condemnation was just an “unsigned note.”
On the contrary: the condemnation was written on the letterhead of the NCBB and published in several of Brazil’s largest newspapers. It is the misleading teachings of the group and the damage it has done to Catholic families that prompted the bishops’ warning, which characterized the group as a “cult of personality ” (meaning that they are giving excessive or worshipful devotion to their leader) and also accused the group of “abusing the name of Holy Mary.”
The official nature of the notice was subsequently confirmed by the Under-Secretary General of the Brazilian Conference, Fr. Valentini Netto December 8, 1995.
Meanwhile this group has spread to 25 countries and the same damage to souls and vocations is now becoming apparent in the US. Many good Catholics in this country have been misled into supporting TFP through one of its front campaigns, such as America Needs Fatima, which is currently the chief fund-raiser for the group. All moneys collected from the “free-will” offerings at the “Pilgrim Virgin” meetings go to TFP.
more details here:
https://ephesians511blog.com/2013/09/28/america-needs-fatima-a-cult-using-the-fatima-name/
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In 2006, TIA published their extensive photographic comparisons, proving the new Sr. Lucy was a fake.
In 49 years since Sr. Lucia's last public interview with Father Fuentes (1957), no one had ever noticed the imposter!
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The creative intuition, investigative methodologies, findings and hard work were essentially TIA's intellectual property.
And they received no payments, but endured many harsh criticisms for it.
The dedication of all their work is "For Holy Mother Church!".
But for those "with eyes to see", this work greatly benefited the traditional movement, by exposing ongoing, high-level Church corruption.
And it was right at the time when Bp. Fellay was getting kissy-face with B16, telling us it was time for trads to come back to Rome.
12 years later, Dr. Chojnowski locates some age-progresssion & biometrics technology and turns the topic into a media campaign... for himself.
Here ya go Dr. Chojnowski... :applause: you're wonderful !
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Along the same lines of the OP, (Bishop Mayer's letter) is the Brazilian Bishops condemnation of TFP:
. . .on April, 18 1985 the NCBB (National Council of Brazilian Bishops) condemned the group and ordered Catholics to have nothing to do with it.
The Brazilian Bishops were/are a bunch of sodomite liberation theology purveyors. Just three years later Abp. Lefebvre and Bp. de Castro Mayer were excommucated by Pope St. John Paul the Great, a much higher authority than the NCBB.
"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones".
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In 2006, TIA published their extensive photographic comparisons, proving the new Sr. Lucy was a fake.
According to Most Holy Family Monastery, (not that I am a fan) TIA stole their research:
https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholic/two-sister-lucys-traditioninaction/
We were definitely the first organization to come out with the facts that there was an impostor Sr. Lucy. We had been referring to the false Sr. Lucy as an impostor for years on our website, and publicly stated that the Vatican’s Lucy is an impostor in issue #5 of our magazine, which was published years ago. Our recent article (https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/consecration-russia-fatima-lucy/) was simply the detailed treatment containing all the facts and points about an issue we’d been saying things about for years.
While the website to which you refer says that they haven’t yet “read” our analysis – that’s an interesting way of putting it considering that one can get the gist of what was being said without “reading” the entire thing but by looking quickly at the pictures – they didn’t deny that they were familiar with the article or that their idea to publish their own article came after hearing about or browsing through our exposé. It’s almost certain that they were familiar with our article because a website which links to their articles and our articles had a major link with pictures to our treatment of the issue. They may have browsed it without “reading” the entire thing. And once they saw that this idea was now circulating due to our having “broken the story,” they then had the courage to do their own article seeing that others were already beginning to accept the idea on a wide scale. That’s a key point: many people who don’t love God first and don’t stand for the truth will come out with things – even things they may have privately known were true for some time – only once the idea has already gained some popular support thanks to the stand of others, so that they can latch on to the now-popular bandwagon.
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The Brazilian Bishops were/are a bunch of sodomite liberation theology purveyors. Just three years later Abp. Lefebvre and Bp. de Castro Mayer were excommucated by Pope St. John Paul the Great, a much higher authority than the NCBB.
"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones".
What you say does not make sense. It is nonsensical that a group of Bishops would complain about how the TFP cult "abused the name of Holy Mary" if they were actually what you and TFP/TIA claim they are.
the condemnation was written on the letterhead of the NCBB and published in several of Brazil’s largest newspapers. It is the misleading teachings of the group and the damage it has done to Catholic families that prompted the bishops’ warning, which characterized the group as a “cult of personality ” (meaning that they are giving excessive or worshipful devotion to their leader) and also accused the group of “abusing the name of Holy Mary.”
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And how is TFP money used, for what?
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What you say does not make sense. It is nonsensical that a group of Bishops would complain about how the TFP cult "abused the name of Holy Mary" if they were actually what you and TFP/TIA claim they are.
the condemnation was written on the letterhead of the NCBB and published in several of Brazil’s largest newspapers. It is the misleading teachings of the group and the damage it has done to Catholic families that prompted the bishops’ warning, which characterized the group as a “cult of personality ” (meaning that they are giving excessive or worshipful devotion to their leader) and also accused the group of “abusing the name of Holy Mary.”
It only does not make sense to a person who has no eyes to see or ears to hear. So let me explain it to you, the bishops are all a bunch of sodomites and leftist liberation theology brainwashed zombies. They have no scruples and will say anything to discredit traditionalists. The pope himself did it three years later to Abp. Lefebvre and Bp. de Castro Mayor. If TFP was a leftist sodomite, liberation theology purveyor, they would have been given an award by the pope and the NCBB. Open your eyes and get over your grudge against Atila Guimaraes, you obviously have a grudge against him for something he did to you some time in the past.
The Brazilian Bishops were/are a bunch of sodomite liberation theology purveyors. Just three years later Abp. Lefebvre and Bp. de Castro Mayer were excommucated by Pope St. John Paul the Great, a much higher authority than the NCBB.
"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones".
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So let me explain it to you, the bishops are all a bunch of sodomites and leftist liberation theology brainwashed zombies.
It is nonsensical that a group of Bishops would complain about how the TFP cult "abused the name of Holy Mary" if they were actually what you and TFP/TIA claim they are.
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It is nonsensical that a group of Bishops would complain about how the TFP cult "abused the name of Holy Mary" if they were actually what you and TFP/TIA claim they are.
No response? Maybe it's better that way. It seems that the defenders of TFP/TIA and other Plinio- worshiping groups engage in name-calling rather than engage in discourse.
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Oops... :facepalm:
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The formal signing of the Vatican II attendance sheets?
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Let's go back to the OP.
LETTER OF BISHOP DE CASTRO MAYER ON THE TFP
(The following letter, addressed to a layman friend, dated 1984, was published in the Brazilian newspaper Folha da Manhã in 1991)
Dear N.,
I owe you an answer to your painful letter of September 24 [1984] that, as the postmark indicates, you sent me on September 25th.
In this case I can only give you one advice: pray, pray a lot, above all the [15 decade] Rosary or at least the [5 decade] Rosary, asking the Virgin Mother, Mediatrix of all graces, to enlighten her son and make him see that the TFP is a heretical sect because, in fact, although they do not say or write, the TFP lives and behaves according to a principle that fundamentally undermines the truth of Christendom, that is, of the Catholic Church.
Indeed, it is de fide that Jesus Christ founded His Church - designed to keep the true worship of God on earth and to bring souls to eternal salvation - as an unequal society composed of two classes: one that governs, teaches, and sanctifies, composed of members of the clergy, and another - the faithful - who receive the teaching, are governed and sanctified: This is a dogma de fide.
St. Pius X wrote that the Church is, in its own nature, an unequal society, meaning that it comprises two orders of persons: shepherds and flock, those belonging to the various levels of the hierarchy, and the multitude of the faithful. These two orders are so utterly distinct that only the hierarchy has the right and authority to guide and govern the members for the purposes of the Church, while the duty of the faithful is to let themselves to be governed and to obediently follow the given path by the ruling class. (Encyclical "Vehementer", February 11, 1906.) The whole history of the Church, as can be seen in the New Testament, attests to this truth as a fundamental dogma of the Church's constitution. It was only to the Apostles that Jesus said, "Go and teach all nations." Also the Acts of the Apostles show us the life of the Church in the times after Jesus Christ. Because of this, it is a heretical subversion to usually follow a layman - therefore a non-member of the Hierarchy - as a spokesman for orthodoxy. So they do not look at what the Church says, what the bishops say, but what this or that [layman] says... And it does not end there: this attitude - even if not openly stated - in fact positions the "leader" as the arbiter of orthodoxy, and is accompanied by a sudden but real mistrust of the hierarchy and clergy in general.
There is a visceral anti-clericalism in the TFP: everything that comes from the clergy is biasedly received. Basically, it is affirmed that all priests are ignorant, lacking zeal or interested and such other characteristics. Well, thus, having in mind the divine constitution of the Church which was instituted by Jesus Christ, the habitual anti-clericalism of the TFP, latent, makes it a heretical sect, and therefore, as I said, animated by a principle contrary to established dogma by Jesus Christ in the constitution of His Church.
The TFP, however, had a healthy beginning. There was a certain evolution in the apostolate made by the biweekly newspaper of the Marian Congregation of St. Cecilia entitled The Legionary.
As a serious and well-intentioned movement, it sought to strengthen the intellectual and religious formation of the members of the Congregation and, consequently, of the biweekly readers. It was influential throughout Brazil. This was the era of [its] obedience to Monsignors Duarte and Leme. I followed and approved of its apostolate, also when it began to fall itself into the anti-clerical spirit, which began by consolidating its positions and then reversing them, putting the Clergy in tow behind a charismatic layman with the monopoly of orthodoxy. Maybe I gave them support beyond a licit point. I withdrew it only when it became clear that my warnings were not being taken into account. They have become useless.
It is true to note that the deceptions of certain members of the Hierarchy... explain the scandal of the "TFPists", but this does not justify the positions they have taken. And much less for its leader, Plinio.
In this case, as I said at the beginning of this letter, the remedy is to pray. First, because without prayer nothing is obtained: "Ask," says Our Lord, "and you will receive." It is necessary to pray because charismatic fervor produces a certain fanaticism: individuals become incapable of seeing the objective reality, of perceiving even fundamental errors, because of this inversion of following a layman instead of the legitimate Pastors of the Holy Church.
As I have noted, members of the hierarchy unfortunately and often utter words and take positions that any Catholic can see as dissonant of the doctrine and government of the Church of all times...
I ask Our Lord to give you, and your whole family, a Holy and Merry Christmas and many years full of the grace of God.
I pray that you pray for me, a servant in Christ Jesus.
Antônio de Castro Mayer, Bishop Emeritus of Campos.
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Women with too much time on their hands, it is the ruin of CathInfo. Women like Cera and Meg are a punishment from God upon anyone stupid enough to listen to them.
Instructions to Women
In like manner women also in decent apparel: adorning themselves with modesty and sobriety, not with plaited hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly attire, But as it becometh women professing godliness, with good works. Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed; then Eve. And Adam was not seduced; but the woman being seduced, was in the transgression. Yet she shall be saved through childbearing; if she continue in faith, and love, and sanctification, with sobriety.(1Tim 2:9-15)
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Women with too much time on their hands, it is the ruin of CathInfo. Women like Cera and Meg are a punishment from God upon anyone stupid enough to listen to them.
Instructions to Women
In like manner women also in decent apparel: adorning themselves with modesty and sobriety, not with plaited hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly attire, But as it becometh women professing godliness, with good works. Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed; then Eve. And Adam was not seduced; but the woman being seduced, was in the transgression. Yet she shall be saved through childbearing; if she continue in faith, and love, and sanctification, with sobriety.(1Tim 2:9-15)
Women who disagree with your views need to keep silent. Got it. The thing is, there are men who don't agree with your views. Should they keep silent as well?
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Let's go back to the OP.
LETTER OF BISHOP DE CASTRO MAYER ON THE TFP
(The following letter, addressed to a layman friend, dated 1984, was published in the Brazilian newspaper Folha da Manhã in 1991)
Trad Granny,
Here's an example of "visceral anti-clericalism".
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Furthermore, here's a scholarly definition, with examples of the term and it doesn't fit Dr. Plineo's behavior at all. anti-clericalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-clericalism)
Dr. Plineo was at Vatican II trying to rally the clerics to walk-out in protest of the communist-infiltrated commissions and engineered schemas. If you had ever read "The Rhine Flows Through the Tiber", you would know that the council had been hijacked.
(http://www.nobility.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Bishop-Ant%C3%B4nio-de-Castro-Mayer-e-Plinio-Corr%C3%AAa-de-Oliveira.jpg)
Corrêa de Oliveira travelled to Rome for the opening session of Vatican II, describing it as “a point in history as sad as the Death of Our Lord” in which the Church was faced by the generalized, co-ordinated, and audacious action of its internal enemies. Oliveira was accompanied by members of the Brazilian TFP who brought twenty trunks of TFP literature. During the first session of the Council, he provided a secretariat which served Brazilian bishops Antônio de Castro Mayer and Geraldo de Proença Sigaud and other bishops of the traditional faction, who ultimately formed the Coetus Internationalis Patrum. Corrêa de Oliveira’s opposition to the direction of the Council continued, and in a 1976 addendum to his book, Revolution and Counter-Revolution, he described Vatican II as “one of the greatest calamities, if not the greatest, in the history of the Church”. His strong opposition led to him being described as a “revanchist” within the ultraditional faction.
And if Bp. de Castro Meyer didn't like it that Plineo didn't follow him, could it be because the Bishop had signed the Vatican II docs and wasn't taking action to protest against the Council?
In fact, he didn't even publicly join +ABL until after he had retired his office.
This was not traditional Catholic leadership on his part.
Dr. Plineo's Lay Catholic action was not hindered by such compromises, which we now call "false-obedience".
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Trad Granny,
Here's an example of "visceral anti-clericalism".
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Furthermore, here's a scholarly definition, with examples of the term and it doesn't fit Dr. Plineo's behavior at all. anti-clericalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-clericalism)
Dr. Plineo was at Vatican II trying to rally the clerics to walk-out in protest of the communist-infiltrated commissions and engineered schemas. If you had ever read "The Rhine Flows Through the Tiber", you would know that the council had been hijacked.
(http://www.nobility.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Bishop-Ant%C3%B4nio-de-Castro-Mayer-e-Plinio-Corr%C3%AAa-de-Oliveira.jpg)
Corrêa de Oliveira travelled to Rome for the opening session of Vatican II, describing it as “a point in history as sad as the Death of Our Lord” in which the Church was faced by the generalized, co-ordinated, and audacious action of its internal enemies. Oliveira was accompanied by members of the Brazilian TFP who brought twenty trunks of TFP literature. During the first session of the Council, he provided a secretariat which served Brazilian bishops Antônio de Castro Mayer and Geraldo de Proença Sigaud and other bishops of the traditional faction, who ultimately formed the Coetus Internationalis Patrum. Corrêa de Oliveira’s opposition to the direction of the Council continued, and in a 1976 addendum to his book, Revolution and Counter-Revolution, he described Vatican II as “one of the greatest calamities, if not the greatest, in the history of the Church”. His strong opposition led to him being described as a “revanchist” within the ultraditional faction.
And if Bp. de Castro Meyer didn't like it that Plineo didn't follow him, could it be because the Bishop had signed the Vatican II docs and wasn't taking action to protest against the Council?
In fact, he didn't even publicly join +ABL until after he had retired his office.
This was not traditional Catholic leadership on his part.
Dr. Plineo's Lay Catholic action was not hindered by such compromises, which we now call "false-obedience".
That's the beauty about R&R. You can fit a square peg into a round hole and vice versa!
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Women who disagree with your views need to keep silent. Got it. The thing is, there are men who don't agree with your views. Should they keep silent as well?
One has to wonder about the mental capacities of the three people who gave a thumbs down to this question.
Evidently they are incapable of a thoughtful response.