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Incredulous · « **Reply #15 on:** November 27, 2012, 12:55:43 AM »

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Let me relate something which fits into this discussion as well. Several years ago, say five to seven, the parish held a "Legion of Mary" event. I am sure it had a formal name, but the purpose was to increase the membership in the local chapter of the LoM. Fr. Libietis, our pastor and "leader" of the Legion of Mary conducted the event. He would do these events in various parishes throughout the world, but most of his travels were limited to the USA and the Pacific region. Anyhow, he was reviewing some of the locations were LoM were existing or recently established. As an aid, people would call out cities, like Phoenix, LA, etc. Somebody mentioned St. Mary's, to which he responded, no they don't have a chapter there and they did not seem to be interested in having one. He seemed disappointed in that fact, but that's the way it was. He was very committed to the BVM, so I suspect he saw what this thread is all about. He too would say that we have no idea what is coming down the road, and how difficult things will become.

Since Fr. Libietis has been given the BITA (boot in the anterior) by the SSPX, who is doing the LoM?

I also found the 2006 Marian Retreat given by Fr. Libietis on YouTube. It was posted by the same person who recently posted the interviews with the Belgian priest (harrassed by SSPX henchmen, etc.) on our site here. That person has many good sermons, many of which are posted on this site as well. In any case, the Fr. Libietis retreat is audio and video. There are three two hours videos. The first is here: The other two appear to show up when you do a search, if not automatically.

Fr. Libietis was our pastor for more than ten years. This video is really nothing more than three Sunday sermons rolled together into a two hour presentation. Every Sunday was a mini-retreat. I don't know where he is now, but hopefully he is preaching every Sunday. As I have often thought, his BITA and the resulting loss of priestly guidance weighs heavily on the souls of selected people. I would not want to be present when Our Lord asks for an explaination as to why a priest who championed His Mother was given the BITA.

Thank you for allowing me to ramble on and on.

Jake

I've always wanted to meet Father Libietis, since he was the head of the Legion of Mary for the SSPX. I suspected he was under spritual attack being in this important position.

The Legion of Mary is a powerful apostolate.
It's members are consecrated to the Blessed Virgin Mary, making it one of the most important lay organizations in Catholic tradition.

From my observations, the French SSPX priests didn't undertand the Legion of Mary. It is an "Anglo-thing" to them. Father Rostand actually thought it's function was for marketing purposes. Around two years ago he tried to get the Legion members to collect Novus Ordo Diocese information. This is completely contrary to the function and mission of the Legion of Mary.

I hope Father Libeitis has joined the SSPX Resistance.

If the SSPX-Resistance formed a Legion of Mary apostolate, the Virgin would make things happen... I can assure you of that.

Cronier · « **Reply #16 on:** November 27, 2012, 11:12:39 AM »

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I don't know Fr Novack's position on all the politics either but I wanted to note that this post is based in the erroneous thought that the Resistance priests do not also love the SSPX. I think people would be better off to realize their actions stem from love of the SSPX, that of ABL, and speak of their cases accordingly.

I'm sure the "resistance" priests do love the SSPX in their own way. I do not agree with their position, however. I did actually meet Fr. Pfeiffer once though back in 2006 at Auriesville. He was very nice and had a great sense of humor. His brother was very nice too.

Quo Vadis Petre · « **Reply #17 on:** November 27, 2012, 11:15:26 AM »

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Quote from: wallflower

I don't know Fr Novack's position on all the politics either but I wanted to note that this post is based in the erroneous thought that the Resistance priests do not also love the SSPX. I think people would be better off to realize their actions stem from love of the SSPX, that of ABL, and speak of their cases accordingly.

I'm sure the "resistance" priests do love the SSPX in their own way. I do not agree with their position, however. I did actually meet Fr. Pfeiffer once though back in 2006 at Auriesville. He was very nice and had a great sense of humor. His brother was very nice too.

So you're an accordista? You believe Bishop Fellay is setting the course right for the SSPX? I have grown to be extremely wary of accordistas, particularly those who attack +Williamson and Frs. Pfeiffer, Chazal and Hewko.

Cronier · « **Reply #18 on:** November 27, 2012, 11:33:55 AM »

I am neither for a deal or against one. I try not to engage in politics of any kind. I'm simply trying to be the best Roman Catholic I can be in my state in life. That is all.

I'm not sure if you were implying this but I most certainly have not "attacked" Bishop Williamson, or Frs. Pfieffer, Chazal, or Hewko. I would not do that. They are priests and because of that they have my utmost respect regardless of whether I may or may not agree with their positions.

Quo Vadis Petre · « **Reply #19 on:** November 27, 2012, 11:38:08 AM »

Well, so many people on the pro-Fellay side have attacked them, so it's natural for the anti-deal side to be wary. Sorry about that. But we don't believe this to be a matter of politics but of preserving the Faith. The argument is summarized thus: since when has Rome ever kept its promises to allow the groups under it to remain free from Vatican II? As it is right now, it is ѕυιcιdє to broker a deal with Rome.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #20 on:** November 27, 2012, 11:50:53 AM »

Cronier,
If you consider deal or no deal to be a matter of politics and wish not to engage in such, statements such as "I do not agree with their position" should be avoided.
:wink:

Cronier · « **Reply #21 on:** November 27, 2012, 12:26:01 PM »

Hence the use of the word "try" ... "I TRY not to engage in politics." I don't always succeed. :wink:

Mea Culpa · « **Reply #22 on:** November 27, 2012, 12:27:18 PM »

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I am neither for a deal or against one. I try not to engage in politics of any kind. I'm simply trying to be the best Roman Catholic I can be in my state in life. That is all.

Since you're "neither for a deal or against one" and you're "trying to be the best Roman Catholic", are you not contradicting yourself?

Wouldn't a (traditional) Roman Catholic want to hold firm to the true Faith and oppose anything that would compromise the Faith (ex."the deal")?

It's either you agree with Bp. Fellay in joining Rome or you fight with all your soul and might in preserving the Traditional Catholic Faith. It has to be wrong or it's right.

I surely don't understand you position on this by being "on the fence".

To be honest, I don't even understand why some of the "faithful" are still attending the neo-SSPX chapels knowing very well the motives, intentions, and spirit that Bp. Fellay's Church is taking them on.

Jerome · « **Reply #23 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:48:40 PM »

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To be honest, I don't even understand why some of the "faithful" are still attending the neo-SSPX chapels knowing very well the motives, intentions, and spirit that Bp. Fellay's Church is taking them on.

Well, I've heard quite a few reasons/excuses as to why some "faithfuls" are still attending these neo-SSPX chapels....
*We like the "Unity" among the parishioners
*There's no other choice...
*No independent church within driving distance
*We want to "help" our fellow parishioners to fully understand what's going on and then leave as a group!!!!!!
*It's not "that" bad yet.......

My interpretation to all this.....convenience, convenience....and convenience.
In these dark times we're living in....the true-Catholics will be separated from the liberal-Catholics.

Sapon · « **Reply #24 on:** November 27, 2012, 03:09:35 PM »

MaterDominici, I only heard yesterday that any priests other than ours had been here. I support that bishop and those priests with my prayers. However, as long as we have such wonderful priests as Father de la Tour, Father Desautard and many of the rest whom I know ( I do not know our new rector), there is no need to go looking elsewhere for what we have in our own chapel.
I am against any deal until Rome returns to traditional Catholic doctrine but good Catholic doctrine is all we are hearing from our pulpit. And I do believe, in answer to your question, that I will recognize that particular storm when it comes. I am an old campaigner. The first thing that breakaway priests always do is set up shop nearby. It has happened again and again. This is the only time I have been sympathetic to their cause. But by their fruits you shall know them and I will wait to see what those fruits are. I am not very edified by many of the things that some of those layfolk who support Bishop Williamson are saying. Their spirit seems often seems malcontented and without peace.
Father Chazal himself said that Bishop Tissier, who could not be accused of having a spirit of compromise in the least or not knowing what is going on, did not want him to do what he did. He wanted him to obey and wait. Bishop de Galarreta and Bishop Tissier are still within the Society waiting and praying. That is what I am doing. Why do the priests who have been asked to leave insist they still belong to the Society? It is because of their great love for the Society and because they know that it is the last bastion and the vanguard of resistance to Modernism. I don't believe we should do anything to weaken the Society further at this time.
If those priests who long for the onions of Egypt gain the upper hand and a deal is made well, that will be a different story altogether. Until then, there is something to be said for the old expression "don't rock the boat". Why not rock the boat? What often happens to those who rock the boat is that they fall out of the boat and drown. Be very careful, my dear fellow traditional Catholics. Make your way very carefully. This is the only crisis of the SSPX that has been challenging. All of the others by comparison were child's play.

John Grace · « **Reply #25 on:** November 27, 2012, 03:19:48 PM »

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I am neither for a deal or against one

If we had more like this. :roll-laugh1:

Cronier · « **Reply #26 on:** November 27, 2012, 03:21:20 PM »

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However, as long as we have such wonderful priests as Father de la Tour, Father Desautard and many of the rest whom I know ( I do not know our new rector), there is no need to go looking elsewhere for what we have in our own chapel.

I love Fr. Desautard! He is wonderful.

John Grace · « **Reply #27 on:** November 27, 2012, 03:22:56 PM »

Quote from: Cronier

I am neither for a deal or against one. I try not to engage in politics of any kind. I'm simply trying to be the best Roman Catholic I can be in my state in life. That is all.

I'm not sure if you were implying this but I most certainly have not "attacked" Bishop Williamson, or Frs. Pfieffer, Chazal, or Hewko. I would not do that. They are priests and because of that they have my utmost respect regardless of whether I may or may not agree with their positions.

Atleast you are honest though I disagree with your sitting on the fence answer. One is either for the agreement or against it. Have you heard of Rorate Caeli?

You basically saying 'I'm happy out". You are accordist.

John Grace · « **Reply #28 on:** November 27, 2012, 03:34:48 PM »

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Insulting the people who live there will not convince them of the truth, only alienate them further, stiffening their backs and wills. We need to always be ready with a truthful words regarding the current state supported by links to information that has supporting good information, but until their eyes and ears are opened through prayer, ours and theirs, they will remain blind and deaf

Indeed. The best thing we can do for them is smile at them and pray for them. There is nothing more we can do for them for now. God must do the rest for them.

stgobnait · « **Reply #29 on:** November 27, 2012, 03:42:39 PM »

God must do for all of us......