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Offline SeanJohnson

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« on: February 07, 2013, 06:57:56 AM »
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  • A friend of mine came up with this list.

    Thought it might be helpful for planning purposes at other resistance chapels:

             
    Vestments         Supplies
    Amice          Wine
    Alb (tall, medium, short)   Spring Water
    Cincture         Priests Host
             Hosts for Communion of the Faithful
    4 main colors (+black and Rose) Charcoal
    Chasuble         Incense
    Maniple         Aluminum Foil (for thurible)
    Stole         Coffee Can (for spent charcoal)
             
    Related to above      Altar Boy
    Tabernacle Veil      Cassock
    Chalice Veil      Surplice
    Burse         
             Longer Term
    Altar         Palms
    Relics         Ashes (or make from palms)
    Altar Cloths       Candle Lighter
    Purificators      Wax tapers for Candle Lighter
    Lavabo Towel      Thurible
    Corporals         Tongs
    Altar Cards (3)      Lighter
    Six Candlesticks (start with 2)   Baptism Candles
    Candles (Bleached/Unbleached)   Incense Boat
    Missale Romanum      Incense Spoon
    Chalice         Processional Cruxifix
    Chalice Veil (listed above)   Rite of Marriage
    Chalice Paten      Rite of Baptism
    Ciborium         Rite of Funerals
    Paten for Communion      Dalmatics
    Paten Carrying Case      Vesting prayers
    Water and Wine Cruets   Votive Candles
    Lavabo Bowl      Breviary
    Bells         Martyrology
    2 Kneelers (for communion)   Ritual
             Bowl for washing of the fingers (on altar)
    Card for Prayers After Low Mass         
    Card for Benediction      Additional:
    Card for Altar Server (untrained)   Cope
             Humeral Veil
    More permanent      Thurible Stand
    Communion Rail      Monstrance
    Altar         Lunette (Holds host in Monstrance)
    Tabernacle         Lunette holder (for in tabernacle)
    Pews         Aspergellum (water sprinkler)
    Holy Water Fonts      Tabernacle
    Organ         Baptismal Shell for pouring water
    Statues         Oil Stocks
             Pyx
             Torches (2, 4 or 6)
             Processional Candlesticks
             
             Really longer term
             Advent Wreath
             Advent Candles
             Easter Candle
             Long thin candles for Blessing Throats
             Congregation Candles (with Wax catchers)
             Missal Booklets for visitors
             Marriage Rite for Faithful
             Funeral Rite for Faithful
             
             Super Long-term
             Rite of Ordination
             Bowls and Towels for washing of the "Apostles" feet on Holy Thursday
             Dalmatic (all liturgical colors)
             Deacon's stole
             Deacon's Maniple
             Ash Holders
             Sub-deacon vestments (I think it's a tunicle? & maniple)
             Vesting Prayer Card
             Extra Veils

             
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    « Reply #1 on: February 07, 2013, 07:00:10 AM »
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  • Note:

    There are some formatting issues in the OP because my friend sent me the list in Excel format.

    I copied/pasted, but a few items are jumbled together.

    I trust in your intelligence to spot where this has occurred.

    Pax tecuм,

    Seraphim

    PS: Matthew, not sure if you can edit the OP to have just one item per line, but if so, it would probably be helpful.  When I try to do it using the edit function, I see it in the spreadsheet format.  Sorry.
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013, 12:33:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Seraphim
    A friend of mine came up with this list.

    Thought it might be helpful for planning purposes at other resistance chapels:

    Note: There are some formatting issues in the OP because my friend sent me the list in Excel format.

    PS: Matthew, not sure if you can edit the OP to have just one item per line, but if so, it would probably be helpful. When I try to do it using the edit function, I see it in the spreadsheet format. Sorry.


       
    I get a hunch Matthew won't be thrilled with your request, Seraphim.

    The CI platform does not support spreadsheet formatting.  You have to edit your
    post to the language of this forum or it won't make any sense.

    Is this what you had in mind, or something like it?

    Quote

    Vestments:

    Amice       
    Alb (tall, medium, short)
    Cincture
    4 main colors (+black and Rose)
    Chasuble
    Maniple
    Related to above
    Cassock
    Surplice


    Supplies:

    Wine
    Spring Water
    Priests Host
    Hosts for Communion of the Faithful
    Charcoal
    Coffee Can (for spent charcoal)
    Incense
    Aluminum Foil (for thurible)
    Altar Boy
    Tabernacle Veil
    Chalice Veil
    Burse
             

    Longer Term:

    Altar         
    Palms
    Relics         
    Ashes (or make from palms)
    Altar Cloths       
    Candle Lighter
    Purificators      
    Wax tapers for Candle Lighter
    Lavabo Towel      
    Thurible
    Corporals         
    Tongs
    Altar Cards (3)      
    Lighter
    Six Candlesticks (start with 2)   
    Baptism Candles
    Candles (Bleached/Unbleached)   
    Incense Boat
    Missale Romanum      
    Incense Spoon
    Chalice         
    Processional Cruxifix
    Chalice Veil (listed above)   
    Chalice Paten
    Ciborium   
    Paten for Communion   
    Dalmatics
    Paten Carrying Case   
    Water and Wine Cruets   
    Votive Candles
    Lavabo Bowl      
    Breviary
    Bells   
    2 Kneelers (for communion)

    Rite of Marriage      
    Rite of Baptism      
    Rite of Funerals   
    Vesting prayers
    Martyrology


    Ritual:
             
    Bowl for washing of the fingers (on altar)
    Card for Prayers After Low Mass         
    Card for Benediction      


    Additional:

    Card for Altar Server (untrained)   
    Cope
    Humeral Veil


    More permanent:   

    Communion Rail   
    Altar   
    Tabernacle   
    Pews   
    Holy Water Fonts
    Organ         
    Tabernacle
    Statues   



    Thurible Stand
    Monstrance
    Lunette (Holds host in Monstrance)
    Lunette holder (for in tabernacle)
    Aspergellum (water sprinkler)
    Baptismal Shell for pouring water
          
    Oil Stocks [stock market?!]

             Pyx
             Torches (2, 4 or 6)
             Processional Candlesticks

             
             Really longer term:

             Advent Wreath
             Advent Candles
             Easter Candle
             Long thin candles for Blessing Throats
             Congregation Candles (with Wax catchers)
             Missal Booklets for visitors
             Marriage Rite for Faithful
             Funeral Rite for Faithful

             
             Super Long-term:

             Rite of Ordination
             Bowls and Towels for washing of the "Apostles" feet on Holy Thursday
             Dalmatic (all liturgical colors)
             Deacon's stole
             Deacon's Maniple
             Ash Holders
             Sub-deacon vestments (I think it's a tunicle? & maniple)
             Vesting Prayer Card
             Extra Veils

             










       
    Vestments         Supplies
    Amice          Wine
    Alb (tall, medium, short)   Spring Water
    Cincture         Priests Host
             Hosts for Communion of the Faithful
    4 main colors (+black and Rose) Charcoal
    Chasuble         Incense
    Maniple         Aluminum Foil (for thurible)
    Stole         Coffee Can (for spent charcoal)
             
    Related to above      Altar Boy
    Tabernacle Veil      Cassock
    Chalice Veil      Surplice
    Burse         


             Longer Term
    Altar         Palms
    Relics         Ashes (or make from palms)
    Altar Cloths       Candle Lighter
    Purificators      Wax tapers for Candle Lighter
    Lavabo Towel      Thurible
    Corporals         Tongs
    Altar Cards (3)      Lighter
    Six Candlesticks (start with 2)   Baptism Candles
    Candles (Bleached/Unbleached)   Incense Boat
    Missale Romanum      Incense Spoon
    Chalice         Processional Cruxifix
    Chalice Veil (listed above)   Rite of Marriage
    Chalice Paten      Rite of Baptism
    Ciborium         Rite of Funerals
    Paten for Communion      Dalmatics
    Paten Carrying Case      Vesting prayers
    Water and Wine Cruets   Votive Candles
    Lavabo Bowl      Breviary
    Bells         Martyrology
    2 Kneelers (for communion)   Ritual
             Bowl for washing of the fingers (on altar)
    Card for Prayers After Low Mass         
    Card for Benediction      Additional:
    Card for Altar Server (untrained)   Cope
             Humeral Veil
    More permanent      Thurible Stand
    Communion Rail      Monstrance
    Altar         Lunette (Holds host in Monstrance)
    Tabernacle         Lunette holder (for in tabernacle)
    Pews         Aspergellum (water sprinkler)
    Holy Water Fonts      Tabernacle
    Organ         Baptismal Shell for pouring water
    Statues         Oil Stocks
             Pyx
             Torches (2, 4 or 6)
             Processional Candlesticks
             
             Really longer term
             Advent Wreath
             Advent Candles
             Easter Candle
             Long thin candles for Blessing Throats
             Congregation Candles (with Wax catchers)
             Missal Booklets for visitors
             Marriage Rite for Faithful
             Funeral Rite for Faithful
             
             Super Long-term
             Rite of Ordination
             Bowls and Towels for washing of the "Apostles" feet on Holy Thursday
             Dalmatic (all liturgical colors)
             Deacon's stole
             Deacon's Maniple
             Ash Holders
             Sub-deacon vestments (I think it's a tunicle? & maniple)
             Vesting Prayer Card
             Extra Veils

             
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    « Reply #3 on: February 11, 2013, 03:52:23 PM »
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    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #4 on: February 18, 2013, 02:33:57 AM »
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  • While it's good to know that you eventually need a Baptistery, large statues, a marble altar, stain glass windows (etc), those things are "when I win the lottery" pipe dreams for 100% of Resistance chapels, and probably will be for the next 10 years or so.

    What I'm more interested in is the stuff you need to have a normal-looking Mass at your Resistance chapel.

    It's easy to put cinder blocks under a regular wooden, full-size conference table and drape it with bedsheets, etc. so you can't see the ugly frame. With proper altar linens on top, and a painted wooden board propped up behind it (where you attach a good-sized crucifix), your makeshift altar can look quite nice!

    But other things would really be helpful, even in the short term. For example, Father had to hand a corporal to the altar server to use for a paten at our Mass here. I wish I had known that their Mass kit didn't include a server paten.

    I have no idea what kind of cruets they normally use, since I bought some before they got here. Did you know that 10 oz. is the perfect size? I got lucky. Nowhere does anyone talk about details like that. Also, on Amazon.com you need to buy them in packs of 6 for a total cost of $28.

    They only had 1 serving of Mass wine left. How does one acquire Mass wine? Are there any regulations on what kind of grape wine is used? Can the wine have sulfites, or does it have to be sulfite-free? Is there a preferred brand?

    They also don't have regular Mass candles. They used a couple small red votive candles on the altar -- it didn't look very normal. Brass candlesticks are pretty cheap, but what size are the candles, and what type do they have to be? I think it's 51% beeswax. But what diameter are they usually? What is a good source for them?

    For Ashes, they needed a bowl, towel, cake of soap, and water to clean up afterwards. They used water from the water cruet, since it was large enough. I wish I had thought of some of these things beforehand.

    They need a missal stand. Just a piece of wood that props the missal up -- it can't be very expensive. But we had to use a throw pillow since we didn't have one.

    Stations of the Cross -- we printed out some black & white stations, and laminated each one with a nice lamination machine we have. We still need 14 small wooden crosses to be able to properly have Stations (with the indulgences and everything).

    Recording equipment! I really messed this one up. If you don't have a friend with nice recording equipment (or just in case that friend doesn't show up for some reason), at least have a laptop, tablet, or phone handy to catch the audio. Use common sense -- place it next to the priest, or as close as possible, and try to minimize noise in the chapel during the sermon.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 18, 2013, 11:33:29 AM »
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  • Duplicate thread
    in the SSPX-Rome Agreement forum.  

    There should be some simple way of linking subjects when they're identical.
    Computers do this kind of thing all the time on a hard drive or memory
    storage system.  Should be no big deal.



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    « Reply #6 on: May 16, 2013, 06:12:53 PM »
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  • Another thing most Resistance chapels could use -- a kneeler. Also known as a "prie-Dieu". This is important during Holy Communion. Not everyone is 20 years old, skinny, and in perfect health. Some people can't get back up if they kneel down, without something to push off of.

    Confessional -- think about a nice setup for Confessions. Obviously a professional "Confession Box" is out of the question for a Resistance group. But you can get creative here.

    Bells -- while a professional "sanctus bell" set can be expensive for some groups, you can at least have a single bell. It's going to sound higher (and emptier) than you're used to -- but fortunately I had experience here from my Seminary days. Most of the minor altars (used for daily Mass), especially the 5 altars side-by-side in the Crypt, used this kind of bell. So I knew my options for what is considered "acceptable" or "normal".

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    « Reply #7 on: May 18, 2013, 07:15:06 AM »
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  • Matthew-

    I built my own altar by buying lumber from Menards.

    I am no craftsman.

    But I was able to build a platform for an altar step, and a base for which to set my desk on.

    Stain the wood to match the color of the business desk, and there it is.

    An antependium to cover the front.

    More lumber to make a communion rail.

    It all looks very nice (doing the stain work is the key; it hides many cut marks; crooked lines; mistakes).

    Total cost = $500.

    I made the platform 6' x 6'

    The altar is 40.5" tall and 60" wide.

    Credence table in matching stain; a couple chairs for servers of matching stain to the side; lectern of matching stain; communion rail; etc.

    I don't even own a table saw; didn't need one.
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    « Reply #8 on: July 22, 2013, 01:59:43 PM »
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  • In regards to audio recording equipment, this is what we have been using:

    Make sure to make your purchase using Cathinfo's link so that our dear Moderator can benefit!

    Zoom H4N
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    We have screwed this on a light stand pointing at Father (there is a threaded hold at the bottom of the unit), and we also have taped this (using cinema gaffer tape of course) to the pulpit, facing Father. It gives relative good sound. However this set up doesn't allow the audio to be monitored during the recording, to avoid issues like flat batteries, input level too high (clipping) or too low... I got the most inexpensive Sennheiser wireless system:

    Sennheiser freePORT FP12-B Wireless Lavalier mic system
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    Monitoring the audio through a pair of nice studio monitor headphone ensures that the audio is always at its best!


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    alternatively, a small voice recorder in Father's pocket will work too. I am just 'picky'.


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    « Reply #9 on: October 01, 2013, 07:47:46 PM »
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  • What is the "basic kit" ?? Meaning, what is absolutely necessary for mass to take place?
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."

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    « Reply #10 on: October 01, 2013, 08:14:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mama ChaCha
    What is the "basic kit" ?? Meaning, what is absolutely necessary for mass to take place?


    Here is a portable mass kit (go-bag style) on amazon.  :roll-laugh2:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/on.com/gp//ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=on.com/gp/&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    But I assume this would require the priest to have his own vestments??
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    « Reply #11 on: October 07, 2013, 08:24:54 PM »
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  • With all due respect...im not  crazy abt the resistance or sspx


    but may I suggest a bar night folding table as an altar. One I have has the three night settings and one is perfect

    some candles, cross nailed onto a plywood painted and varnished altarpiece...some laminated cards...and voila!