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General Discussion / Re: Questions on sex and specifically the role of procreation
« Last post by Mercyandjustice on Today at 12:35:23 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on October 10, 2018, 12:53:28 PM
Mith has the right answer from Pius XI's Encyclical Casti Conubii.

Pope Pius XI teaches that there's the primary end of marital relations (procreation) and the secondary (fostering mutual affection, allaying of concupiscence).  He explicitly states that if the primary end is not possible (e.g. infertility), marital relations may be had for the secondary ends.  The principle is that the primary end can never be positively or willfully excluded while seeking the secondary ends, i.e. that the primary can never be made subordinate to the secondary (which is why IMO NFP is wrong, based on this teaching).
Under ordinary circumstances the primary end shouldn't be subjugated. But in extraordinary circumstances, with serious reasons, couples may practice periodical abstinence
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Modern Science and the SSPX
« Last post by TKonkel on Today at 12:33:05 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on October 14, 2018, 12:21:47 PM
Yes, theistic evolution is the ultimate compromise ... from people trying to make peace with the errors of the world.  Isn't that how Vatican II billed itself?
May I ask Ladislaus, do you believe in a young earth?  
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Teen Catholic Hangout / Re: Funny Stuff
« Last post by Maria Regina on Today at 12:29:07 AM »
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Teen Catholic Hangout / Re: Funny Stuff
« Last post by Maria Regina on Today at 12:27:54 AM »
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: Modern Science and the SSPX
« Last post by TKonkel on Today at 12:25:34 AM »
Quote from: Nadir on October 13, 2018, 10:03:13 PM
 It is difficult, if not impossible, to see how the creation of “all things” at “the beginning of time” can be reconciled with Fr. Robinson’s Big Bang cosmology in which the only things created at the “beginning of time” are some hydrogen, helium and lithium.

One way to do the reconciliation would be in the manner of Augustine.  For Augustine all things where included in the act of creation but some in act and others in potency.  In act was created the fundamental elements, the angels, and the "eternal" heavenly bodies.  The plants, and animals where created only in potency.
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Fighting Errors in the Modern World / Re: MODERNISM - Fr. William Jenkins teaches Pascendi Dominici Gregis, #1
« Last post by Neil Obstat on Yesterday at 11:47:30 PM »
Quote from: Geremia on October 14, 2018, 11:10:41 PM
He did a good job explaining agnosticism, phenomenalism, and how the Modernists deny Rom. 1:20. They, like St. Paul said of the Romans, have no excuse for being atheist.

The Catechism of Modernism by Fr. Jean Baptiste Lemius (1851-1938 ), thought to be the drafter of Pascendi, is also very good. cf. pp. 7ff.
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Recall that JPII was an avid adherent of phenomenology, which is closely related to phenomenalism.
Brother Francis of the St. Benedict Center in Richmond was known to say "JPII was a philosopher";  to be clear, his "philosophy" was phenomenology.
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Fighting Errors in the Modern World / Re: MODERNISM - Fr. William Jenkins teaches Pascendi Dominici Gregis, #1
« Last post by Neil Obstat on Yesterday at 11:43:39 PM »
Quote from: Geremia on Yesterday at 06:24:05 PM
Modernism is complex because it's nonsense, whereas Aristotelian-Thomistic metaphysics is very commonsense.
Pascendi does a good job trying to make sense of the Modernist nonsense, though.
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It's interesting to me you say it's believed that Fr. Lemius drafted the encyclical. Do you have a source for that opinion?
Details like that tend to get lost over time so we ought to try to keep track of them, where possible.
Sometimes it's just a priest speaking to someone and recalling the conversation years later, when nobody bothers to write it down.
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: RECENT SSPX COMMUNIQUE A MASSIVE FAILURE
« Last post by Neil Obstat on Yesterday at 11:31:22 PM »
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How about a copy of the thing everyone is upset about?
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https://fsspx.news/en/news-events/news/communiqu%C3%A9-general-house-sspx-canonisation-pope-paul-vi-41188?fbclid=IwAR3EJ81NyA_NuGFQN3MRQ1NaxT3--1S52udVgdJWFuxu1QhxUsfvxdLi1UM
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Communiqué of the General House of the SSPX
on the Canonisation of Pope Paul VI
OCTOBER 13, 2018           BY FSSPX.NEWS
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On the occasion of the Synod of Bishops on Young People, on Sunday 14th October, 2018, Pope Francis will proceed with the canonisation of Pope Paul VI.
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The Priestly Society of Saint Pius X reiterates the serious reservations it had expressed during the beatification of Paul VI on October 19th, 2014:
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— These beatifications and canonisations of recent popes, with an accelerated procedure, dispense with the wisdom of the Church’s centuries-old rules. Is not their aim more to canonise the popes of the Second Vatican Council, rather than to note the heroicity of their theological virtues? When one knows that the first duty of a pope – successor of Peter – is to confirm his brethren in the faith (St Luke 22:32), there is a good reason to be perplexed.
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— It is true that Paul VI was responsible for the encyclical Humanae Vitae (July 25th, 1968 ), which instructed and consoled Catholic families at a time when the most basic principles of marriage were under bitter attack. He was also the author of the Credo of the People of God (June 30th, 1968 ) by which he wanted to emphasise the articles of Catholic faith challenged by the progressivism ambient, in particular in the scandalous Dutch Catechism (1966).
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— But Paul VI is also the Pope who saw Vatican II to its conclusion, thereby introducing in the Church a doctrinal liberalism manifested especially in errors such as religious liberty, collegiality, and ecumenism. The result was an upheaval which he himself admitted on December 7th, 1968, when he said: “The Church is now confronted with uncertainty, self-criticism, one might almost say self-destruction. As if the Church were attacking Herself.” The following year he conceded: “In many areas the Council has not yet put us at peace; it has rather stirred up trouble and difficulties which are useless for reinforcing the Kingdom of God in the Church and in souls.” He went so far as to give this dire warning on July 29th, 1972: “The smoke of Satan has entered the temple of God through some crack: doubt, incertitude, dissension, worry, discontent, and conflict are plain to see…” - But he was merely stating a fact, while failing to take those measures capable of stopping the self-destruction.
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— Paul VI is the Pope who, for ecumenical reasons, imposed a liturgical reform of the rites of Mass and all the sacraments. Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci denounced this New Mass because it “represents both as a whole, and in its details, a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as formulated during the 22nd session of the Council of Trent”.1 Following them, Archbishop Lefebvre declared that the New Mass was “impregnated with the spirit of Protestantism” which is “a poison harmful to the Faith”.2
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Under his pontificate many priests and religious were persecuted, and even condemned, for their fidelity to the Tridentine Mass. The Priestly Society of Saint Pius X remembers with great sorrow the condemnation of 1976, whereby Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was declared suspended a divinis, because of his attachment to that Mass and his categorical refusal of the reforms. Only in 2007, when Pope Benedict XVI’s motu proprio was issued, was it finally admitted that the Tridentine Mass had never been abrogated.
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Today, more than ever, the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X renews its attachment to the Church’s two thousand years of Tradition, convinced that this fidelity, far from being an outdated rigidness, provides the salutary remedy for the self-destruction of the Church. As the Superior General, Father Davide Pagliarani recently stated: “Our fondest wish is that the official Church will stop considering Tradition as a burden or a set of outmoded old things, but rather as the only possible way to regenerate herself”.3
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Menzingen, October 13th, 2018.
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Interview of Fr. Pagliarani in fsspx.news. October 12, 2018.

    • 1.  A Brief Critical Study of the New Order of Mass. Cover letter from Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci. September 3rd, 1969, §1.
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    • 2.  Open Letter to Confused Catholics. Angelus Press.
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    • 3.  Interview of Fr. Pagliarani in fsspx.news. October 12, 2018.
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Teen Catholic Hangout / Re: Funny Stuff
« Last post by Maria Regina on Yesterday at 11:06:21 PM »
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SSPX Resistance News / Re: RECENT SSPX COMMUNIQUE A MASSIVE FAILURE
« Last post by Matthew on Yesterday at 10:56:09 PM »
Quote from: Struthio on Yesterday at 10:49:52 PM
Louie appears rather perplexed with respect to the SSPX.


It's simple.

The Conciliar Church wanted to become more acceptable to (and hence more like) the World, and lost it.
The SSPX wanted to become more acceptable to (and hence more like) the Conciliar Church, and lost it.

History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme.
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