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I actually could see the majority of our SSPX attendees going along with a conservative, latin Mass bishop.  Our pews are filled with refugees from the indult.  My personal opinion is that is the plan.  A melting together of all the clans.
Agreed
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Politics and World Leaders / Re: Homes are being abandoned.
« Last post by Pax Vobis on Today at 07:36:39 PM »

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There has been video 3 hours long but you all say nothing.
Did you watch all 3 hours?  What is the summary?
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Politics and World Leaders / Re: Homes are being abandoned.
« Last post by Viva Cristo Rey on Today at 07:17:47 PM »
There has been video 3 hours long but you all say nothing.  
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I don't think it's traditional to separate the message from the recipient. Those claiming to receive messages from Heaven have always been heavily scrutinized. Why would a message about Tradition be delivered to a N.O. nun?

The La Salette apparition seems to be an exception to this rule.

The two seers had an apparently erratic life. They were not heretics, of course.
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I suspect that +W uses these "messages" to help his Faith, in these trying times.  Some messages do bring consolation.  I don't fault him for that.  God can use even false messages to provide hope.

But the fault lies in promoting such to the general public.
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Just to add one more point: normally the Church (and therefore the faithful) require a MIRACLE to prove that a message is from heaven. No miracle, no locution.

Even then, "miracles" can be simulated by the devil, and a "miracle" by itself does not guarantee any authenticity.  It's only the Church's judgment that can result in moral certainty, of at least "safety," of heeding the words of an alleged locution.  That's my issue with Bishop Williamson's use of alleged "Eucharistic miracles" to "prove" the potential validity of the NOM.  It would be childsplay for a demon to swap out a host with some human heart muscle (and then to keep it fresh) ... assuming that's even what those phenomena were in Poland, for instance, rather than some red mold.  #1 criterion of the Church in evaluating any private revelation or miracle is its theological orthodoxy.  Because the NOM Eucharistic Miracles give the impresion that the sacrilegeous bastardized Prot Liturgy can be not only valid but even pleasing to God (to confirm it with miracles), that would instantly rule them out on the basis of heterodoxy.  We don't derive our theology from private revelation, but judge private revelation on the basis of Catholic theology.
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But that does not answer what those lights were.  Do you know?  You have many questions,  but no answers either.
Most heavenly bodies can't be seen in any detail with the human eye; they require a telescope.  Given the fact that there are (literally) 1000s and 1000s of low-earth-orbit satellites in the sky, it's hard to tell if something is a machine or a star.

Philosophically speaking, how can one believe that space is millions of miles away, yet still believe they can see space object with their own eyes?  It makes no sense.  (This isn't directed at you, personally).
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Catholic Living in the Modern World / Nature
« Last post by Gray2023 on Today at 07:11:57 PM »
On my walk.  Please add some nature pictures.
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No. I was at the Shrine of St. Anthony in Maryland.  Their grounds are always open.  They have outdoor stations, and other things.  It was built pre vatican 2.
It is NO now. The grounds are beautiful to walk.

https://www.shrineofstanthony.org/

The buildings look like your typical Novus Ordo complex.

There are not many pictures of the grounds in the website, but I'll take your word for it.
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Lots of excellent responses in this thread, and I agree with all of them.

Just to add one more point: normally the Church (and therefore the faithful) require a MIRACLE to prove that a message is from heaven. No miracle, no locution.

Our Lady of Guadalupe: Bishop said, "Where's the miracle?" Our Lady produced flowers out of season and the miraculous image.

Our Lady of Lourdes: Dig in the dirt, and a spring will come out that will cure people.

Our Lady of Fatima: "Tell everyone to come to this place on October 13th and they will see a miracle." Well, they sure did.

Our Lady of La Salette: Was not approved until people were miraculously cured on the site.

I don't know of any vision from heaven that has ever been approved without miracles taking place there.



So ... where's these people's miracle??!
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