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Crisis in the Church / Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by PAT317 on Today at 08:26:43 PM »
I wonder how accurate is the translation of what I quoted, or is it just the SSPX's words? The google translation just doesn't come across the same. The SSPX translation looks a bit odd, but otherwise can strongly imply that Paul VI knew how the smoke of Satan entered the Church. But, if someone were to look up the quote, they will find it was reordered and composed from a summary to sound like a direct quote from him. That kind of ruins their credibility, not a good start for a pamphlet to convert people.

Is this the paraphrased summary you are referring to?  And by translation, do you mean if you click on the "English" option on the page?

https://tinyurl.com/smoke-sermon

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IX ANNIVERSARY OF THE COMPETITION OF HIS HOLINESS
HOMILY OF PAUL VI
Solemnity of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul
Thursday, June 29, 1972
At sunset on Thursday 29 June, solemnity of the Ss. Peter and Paul, in the presence of a considerable multitude of faithful from all over the world, the Holy Father celebrates Mass and the beginning of his tenth year of my Pontificate, as successor to St. Peter.
With the Dean of the Sacred College, Cardinal Amleto Giovanni Cicognani and the Under-Dean Cardinal Luigi Traglia are thirty cardinal, of the Curia, and some pastors of dioceses, present today in Rome.
Two Cardinals for each Order, processionally accompany the Holy Father to the altar.
In full the Diplomatic Corps accredited to the Holy See, with the Substitute of the Secretariat of State, Archbishop Giovanni Benelli, and the Secretary of the Council for Public Affairs of the Church, archbishop Agostino Casaroli.
Let's give an account of His Holiness' Homily.
The Holy Fatherhe begins by affirming a heartfelt thanks to those who, Brothers and Sons, are present in the Basilica and to those who, distant, but spiritually associated with them, attend the sacred rite, which, to the celebratory intention of the Apostle Peter, to whom the Vatican Basilica is dedicated, privileged custodian of his tomb and his relics, and of the Apostle Paul, always united to him in apostolic design and worship, it combines another intention, that of remembering the anniversary of his election to the succession in the pastoral ministry of the fisherman Simon, son of Jonah, named by Christ Peter, and therefore in the function of Bishop of Rome, of Pontiff of the universal Church and of visible and very humble Vicar on earth of Christ the Lord. The heartfelt thanks is for what the presence of many faithful shows him of love to Christ himself in the sign of his poor person, and therefore assures him of their faithfulness and indulgence towards him, not that of their consoling purpose for him to help him with their prayers.
THE CHURCH OF JESUS, THE CHURCH OF PETER
Paul VI goes on to say that he does not want to speak, in his short speech, about him, St. Peter, because it would be too long and perhaps superfluous for those who already know its admirable history; nor of himself, of which the press and the radio already speak too much, to whom he also expresses his due gratitude. Wanting rather to talk about the Church, which at that moment and from that seat seems to appear before his eyes as lying in its vast and complicated panorama, he merely repeats a word from the Apostle Peter himself, as he said to the immense Catholic community; from him, in his first letter, collected in the canon of the writings of the New Testament. This beautiful message, addressed from Rome to the first Christians of Asia Minor, partly Jєωιѕн, partly pagan,as if to demonstrate from then on the universality of Peter's apostolic ministry, it has a paranetic character, that is, an exhortative one, but it does not lack doctrinal teachings, and the word that the Pope quotes is precisely such, so much so that the recent Council has treasured one of its characteristic teachings. Paul VI invites to listen to it as pronounced by St. Peter himself for those to whom he addresses it at that moment.
After recalling the passage from the Exodus in which it is told how God, speaking to Moses before handing over the Law, said: « I will make this people a priestly and royal people », Paul VI declares that St. Peter took up this exalting word, so great and applied it to the new people of God, heir and continuer of the Israel of the Bible to form a new Israel, the Israel of Christ. St. Peter says: It will be the priestly and royal people who will glorify the God of mercy, the God of salvation.
This word, observes the Holy Father, was misunderstood by some, as if the priesthood were one order, that is, it was communicated to those who are included in the Mystical Body of Christ, to those who are Christians. This is true as regards what is indicated as a common priesthood, but the Council tells us, and Tradition had already taught us, that there is another degree of the priesthood, the ministerial priesthood which has faculties, particular and exclusive prerogatives.
But what interests everyone is the royal priesthood and the Pope dwells on the meaning of this expression. Priesthood means ability to worship God, to communicate with him, to offer him something worthily in his honor, to talk to him, to always seek him in a new depth, in a new discovery, in a new love. This momentum of humanity towards God, which is never sufficiently achieved, nor well known enough, is the priesthood of those who are included in the only Priest, who is Christ, after the inauguration of the New Testament. Those who are Christians are therefore endowed with this quality, with this prerogative of being able to speak to the Lord in true terms, as from son to father.
THE NECESSARY INTERVIEW WITH GOD
« Audemus say »: we can truly celebrate, before the Lord, a rite, a liturgy of common prayer, a sanctification of even secular life that distinguishes the Christian from those who are not Christians. This people is distinct, even if confused in the midst of the great tide of humanity. It has its distinction, its unmistakable characteristic. St. Paul said to himself « segregatus », detached, distinct from the rest of humanity precisely because he was invested with prerogatives and functions that do not have those who do not possess the extreme luck and excellence of being members of Christ.
Paul VI therefore adds that the faithful, who are called to the sonship of God, to the participation of the Mystical Body of Christ, and are animated by the Holy Spirit, and made temple of the presence of God, they must exercise this dialogue, this conversation, this conversation with God in religion, in liturgical worship, in private worship, and to extend the sense of sacredness also to secular actions. « Whether you eat or drink - says St. Paul - do it for the glory of God ». And he says it several times, in his letters, as if to claim to the Christian the ability to instill something new, to illuminate, to sacralize also temporal, external, passing, profane things.
We are invited to give the Christian people, which is called the Church, a truly sacred sense. And we feel we must contain the wave of profanity, desacralization, secularization that mounts and wants to confuse and overwhelm the religious sense in the secret of the heart, in private life or even in the affirmations of external life. Today we tend to say that there is no need to distinguish one man from another, that there is nothing that can make this distinction. Indeed, there is a tendency to restore man's authenticity, his being like everyone else. But the Church, and today St. Peter, calling the Christian people to self-awareness, tell them that it is the chosen, distinct people, « purchased » by Christ, a people who must exercise a particular relationship with God, a priesthood with God.This sacralization of life must not be canceled today, expelled from customs and daily reality as if it should no longer appear.
SACRALITY OF THE CHRISTIAN PEOPLE
We have lost, Paul VI points out, the religious habit, and many other external manifestations of religious life. On this there is so much to discuss and so much to grant, but we must maintain the concept, and with the concept also some sign, of the sacredness of the Christian people, that is, of those who are inserted in Christ, the High and Eternal Priest.
Today some sociological currents tend to study humanity regardless of this contact with God. The sociology of St. Peter, on the other hand, the sociology of the Church, to study men, highlights precisely this sacred aspect, of conversation with the ineffable, with God, with the divine world. It must be stated in the study of all human differentiations. However heterogeneous mankind presents itself, we must not forget this fundamental unity that the Lord confers on us when he gives us grace: we are all brothers in Christ himself. There is no longer a Jєω, a Greek, a Scythian, a barbarian, a man or a woman. We are all one in Christ. We are all sanctified, we all have participation in this degree of supernatural elevation that Christ has given us. St. Peter reminds us of this:it is the sociology of the Church that we must not obliterate or forget.
SOLLECITUDINI AND AFFECT FOR DEBOLS AND DISORIENTS
Paul VI then wonders if today's Church can calmly compare with the words that Peter has left behind, offering them in meditation. « Let us think at this moment with immense charity - so the Holy Father - to all our brothers who leave us, to many who are fugitives and forget, to many who perhaps have never even come to be aware of the Christian vocation, although they have received Baptism. How we would really like to stretch out our hands to them, and tell them that the heart is always open, that the door is easy, and how we would like to make them participate in the great, ineffable luck of our happiness, that of being in communication with God, which does not take away from us anything from the temporal vision and positive realism of the external world! ».
Perhaps this being of ours in communication with God obliges us to give up, to sacrifices, but while depriving us of something it multiplies its gifts. Yes, it imposes sacrifices but it makes us overflow with other riches. We are not poor, we are rich, because we have the wealth of the Lord. « Well - adds the Pope - we would like to say to these brothers, of whom we almost feel the tear in the bowels of our priestly soul, how much there are present, how much now and more and more we love them and how much we pray for them and how much we seek with this effort that pursues them, surrounds them, to make up for the interruption that they themselves place in our communion with Christ ».
Referring to the situation of the Church today, the Holy Father claims to have the feeling that « Satan's smoke has entered the temple of God from some crevice ». There is doubt, uncertainty, problem, restlessness, dissatisfaction, confrontation. The Church is no longer trusted; we trust the first profane prophet who comes to talk to us from some newspaper or some social movement to chase him and ask him if he has the formula of real life. And we do not warn that we masters and teachers are already there. Doubt entered our consciences, and entered through windows which instead had to be opened to light. From science, which is made to give us truths that do not detach from God but make us seek even more and celebrate with greater intensity, criticism has come instead, doubt has come.Scientists are the ones who most thoughtfully and painfully bend the forehead. And they end up teaching: « I don't know, we don't know, we can't know ». The school becomes a gym of confusion and sometimes absurd contradictions. Progress is celebrated in order to be able to demolish it with the strangest and most radical revolutions, to deny everything that has been conquered, to return primitive after having so exalted the progress of the modern world. to return primitive after having so exalted the progress of the modern world. to return primitive after having so exalted the progress of the modern world.
This state of uncertainty also reigns in the Church. It was believed that after the Council a sunny day would come for the history of the Church. Instead, a day of clouds, storms, darkness, research, uncertainty has come. We preach ecuмenism and detach ourselves more and more from others. We try to dig abysses instead of filling them.
FOR A « BELIEVE » LIVING AND INCOME
How did this happen? The Pope confides his thoughts to those present: that there has been the intervention of an adverse power. His name is the devil, this mysterious being to which allusion is also made in the Letter of S. Peter. Many times, on the other hand, in the Gospel, on Christ's own lips, the mention of this enemy of men returns. « We believe - observes the Holy Father - in something preternatural that came into the world precisely to disturb, to stifle the fruits of the Ecuмenical Council, and to prevent the Church from bursting into the hymn of the joy of having fully regained self-awareness. Precisely for this reason we would like to be able, more than ever at this moment, to exercise the function assigned by God to Peter, to confirm the brothers in the Faith.We would like to communicate to you this charism of certainty that the Lord gives to him who also unworthily represents him on this earth ». Faith gives us certainty, security, when it is based on the Word of God accepted and found consenting with our own reason and with our own human soul. Those who believe with simplicity, with humility, feel that they are on track, that they have an inner testimony that comforts them in the difficult conquest of truth. to have an inner testimony that comforts him in the difficult conquest of truth. to have an inner testimony that comforts him in the difficult conquest of truth.
The Lord, concludes the Pope, shows himself light and truth to those who accept it in his Word, and his Word becomes no longer an obstacle to truth and to the path to being, but a step on which we can climb and be truly conquerors of the Lord who shows himself through the way of faith, this advance and guarantee of the definitive vision.
In emphasizing another aspect of contemporary humanity, Paul VI recalls the existence of a large quantity of humble souls, simple, pure, upright, strong, following St. Peter's invitation to be « fortes in fide ». And we would like - so He - that this force of faith, this security, this peace would triumph over all obstacles. Finally, the Pope invites the faithful to an act of humble and sincere faith, to a psychological effort to find in their depths the momentum towards a conscious act of adhesion: « Lord, I believe in Your word, I believe in Your revelation, I believe in who you have given me as witness and guarantor of this Your revelation to hear and try, with the power of faith, the advance of the bliss of life that is promised to us with faith ».
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Anσnymσus Posts Allowed / Re: Re-confessing sins that have been confessed in the New Rite
« Last post by Änσnymσus on Today at 08:12:48 PM »
For the anonymous who quoted "the new CCC":

This is not a real Catholic catechism. This is the Novus Ordo catechism. People won't take your arguments seriously if you quote Modernist books, and you take a serious risk of learning some grave errors by reading this horrible books.

Be aware of Modernism.
I quoted the CCC to show that even the new church has something right.  This idea that you cannot commit mortal sins if you are ignorant is not logical. It's like that meme of the Eskimo who says why did you tell me about God if I am condemned? Why bother educating people about sin if their ignorance keeps them from mortal sin. It also appears contrary to scripture, St Paul says drunkards will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Yet most people do not know that drunkenness is a sin, surely these people will be condemned for their drunkenness and their ignorance won't change that?
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Crisis in the Church / Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by St Giles on Today at 08:02:24 PM »
I wonder how accurate is the translation of what I quoted, or is it just the SSPX's words? The google translation just doesn't come across the same. The SSPX translation looks a bit odd, but otherwise can strongly imply that Paul VI knew how the smoke of Satan entered the Church. But, if someone were to look up the quote, they will find it was reordered and composed from a summary to sound like a direct quote from him. That kind of ruins their credibility, not a good start for a pamphlet to convert people.
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Fighting Errors in the Modern World / Re: Rick Wiles on target
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Crisis in the Church / Re: Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by Angelus on Today at 07:00:45 PM »

Homily on the Smoke of Satan
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Crisis in the Church / Pual VI Smoke of Satan quote source
« Last post by St Giles on Today at 06:30:03 PM »
I found this quote below in a SSPX pamphlet. I looked it up to find some context and can't find the full quote because the sermon is just a paraphrased summary. Is there a recording somewhere of the full sermon?

"We believed that after the Council would come a day of sunshine in the history of the Church. But instead there has come a day of clouds and storms, and of darkness.... How did this come about? We will confide to you the thought that may be, we ourselves admit in free discussion, that may be unfounded, and that is that there has been a power, an adversary power. Let us call him by his name: the devil. It is as if from some mysterious crack, no, it is not mysterious, from some crack the smoke of Satan has entered the temple of God." Pope Paul VI Sermon on June 29, 1972
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Animals have now been given "family status" by Canadian court.
The decision comes three months after amendments made to the Family Law Act clarify that pets or "companion animals" are members of the family.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/judge-orders-shared-custody-pet-130000216.html

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https://web.archive.org/web/20231128233641/https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/sspx-pedophile-priest-flees-victim

 - The wife of a victim presents a letter to Fr. G. , who then turned away. He was not immediately found. ...



Yes, this is the one I was talking about.

My memory is faulty. :fryingpan:

I thought that there was a video, and that he abruptly turned away after receiving the letter from "Claude" himself.
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