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Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2024, 08:27:43 AM »
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  • And in a deft bit of triangulation, after a fashion, he can look to pro-life people and say "what are you going to do, stand by and watch Biden Kamala get re-elected, or will you vote for me instead?".  IOW, "I'm the best you're going to be able to do, so just deal with it".

    THIS, updated and emphasis added.
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    « Reply #31 on: September 02, 2024, 09:44:11 AM »
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  • "I'm pro life" - Donald Trump.



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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #32 on: September 03, 2024, 11:27:35 PM »
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  • Any American voter who isn't buying this game, such as those who know plenty about Trump up close from NYC going back to the 1970s, including his close mentorship by Roy Cohn? Look up that last one, why don't you?

    Tell us, are you at all as fervently and frequently online about Australian politics as you are about US politics? How about what's going on in the UK, closer to your patrimony? Or is it a moth-to-the-flame sort of situation?

    Like I said, I read the same stuff back in 2016 on CAF... Yet Trump did overturn Roe v Wade... with great difficulty and pushback, Trump actually has some wins on the board... doesn't mean his positions are perfect or that he isn't fallible... he is fallible (like any human being) and why we need to pray for him... but he does have some wins on the board other than those who just want to condemn and despair... also in light of the alternative it's a clear choice.

    In terms of Australian politics... well that's a long story, I remember in 2014 or so when the whole 'gαy marriage' thing was hitting our shores... I thought, what the hell is going on? everyone's gone mad? this is crazy... say what you want about marriage and the law, but 'equality' is just madness, there is nothing equal about it... ever heard of the reproductive system? (Something hitting home with the transgender madness with women's sports as there is only so long you can deny objective reality until you crash into it) Then with the fallacious arguments, propaganda and demonization... none of this was honest or real... Then I look at the Church and it's totally captured (been in the making for a very long time)... now I know why removing Pope Benedict XVI was an absolute priority for these snakes... I found out that this raging fire was well beyond anything one could tackle in Australia... that battle was over before it even begun because it began in the USA (Just like the French Revolution) and you guys already lost it and Australia (just like Pope Benedict XVI) simply do not have the resources to compete against that. 

    I would not be here at all if it were not for the USA's revolutionary fervour destroying Marriage, Family, Christendom, the Church and so much more. I quickly realised that we are a vassal state and we simply do not have the resources to compete against the USA when you guys go rogue.

    Australia will always have a larger neighbour to be allied with as we simply cannot compete against larger adversaries on our own... this began as the UK but after WWII became the USA and I've always been fine with that especially with concepts like Liberty and Christendom... which is what it was supposed to be... but the French Revolution with Obama's Administration had broken out and everything had to go especially the Christendom part... now I'm in trouble.

    It's much like abortion in the USA... can do nothing without first overturning Roe v Wade... well, likewise can do nothing without taking down the USA Deep State first... Same thing with the Church and their deposing Pope Benedict XVI and their involvement in Vatican II...

    I've learned a lot over the years and can see a much larger picture now... by the time I realised I was under attack... they'd already taken and subverted any tools I could use to try and defend myself... Like Nαzι Germany taking Austria... resistance at that point would have been futile... the time to correct course was when lies of Darwinian Evolution and Eugenics were being widely pushed and Our Lady of Fatima being ignored and how Portugal resolved their crisis without the radicalism. 

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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #33 on: September 04, 2024, 01:46:44 PM »
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  • X is one of the last bastions of Free Speech in the world. Apart from a few other places like CI, Gab etc, of course. But X has some 100s of millions if not Billions of users worldwide. Now, Commie Thugs in Brazil want to clamp down on and close American-owned X, and they will succeed if Kamala gets in. Kamala may even clamp down on Elon's X itself, and this is part of the reason that Elon, post the assassination attempt especially, campaigns now for Trump.

    Elon reposted this: "On September 7th, Brazil's Independence Day, people will march for freedom, protesting judicial overreach and defending free speech." https://x.com/cb_doge/status/1830830439398789371

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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #34 on: September 04, 2024, 02:05:01 PM »
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  • X is one of the last bastions of Free Speech in the world. Apart from a few other places like CI, Gab etc, of course. But X has some 100s of millions if not Billions of users worldwide. Now, Commie Thugs in Brazil want to clamp down on and close American-owned X, and they will succeed if Kamala gets in. Kamala may even clamp down on Elon's X itself, and this is part of the reason that Elon, post the assassination attempt especially, campaigns now for Trump.

    Elon reposted this: "On September 7th, Brazil's Independence Day, people will march for freedom, protesting judicial overreach and defending free speech." https://x.com/cb_doge/status/1830830439398789371


    X is already down in Brazil. It has been inaccessible for some days now.


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    « Reply #35 on: September 04, 2024, 02:14:54 PM »
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  • X is already down in Brazil. It has been inaccessible for some days now.
    Yes. It's very sad. And the US is next if Kamala/Walz wins. We must stop them at all costs if we want to win the fight.

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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #36 on: September 04, 2024, 02:20:01 PM »
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  • Like I said, I read the same stuff back in 2016 on CAF... Yet Trump did overturn Roe v Wade... with great difficulty and pushback, Trump actually has some wins on the board... doesn't mean his positions are perfect or that he isn't fallible... he is fallible (like any human being) and why we need to pray for him... but he does have some wins on the board other than those who just want to condemn and despair... also in light of the alternative it's a clear choice.

    In terms of Australian politics... well that's a long story, I remember in 2014 or so when the whole 'gαy marriage' thing was hitting our shores... I thought, what the hell is going on? everyone's gone mad? this is crazy... say what you want about marriage and the law, but 'equality' is just madness, there is nothing equal about it... ever heard of the reproductive system? (Something hitting home with the transgender madness with women's sports as there is only so long you can deny objective reality until you crash into it) Then with the fallacious arguments, propaganda and demonization... none of this was honest or real... Then I look at the Church and it's totally captured (been in the making for a very long time)... now I know why removing Pope Benedict XVI was an absolute priority for these snakes... I found out that this raging fire was well beyond anything one could tackle in Australia... that battle was over before it even begun because it began in the USA (Just like the French Revolution) and you guys already lost it and Australia (just like Pope Benedict XVI) simply do not have the resources to compete against that. 

    I would not be here at all if it were not for the USA's revolutionary fervour destroying Marriage, Family, Christendom, the Church and so much more. I quickly realised that we are a vassal state and we simply do not have the resources to compete against the USA when you guys go rogue.

    Australia will always have a larger neighbour to be allied with as we simply cannot compete against larger adversaries on our own... this began as the UK but after WWII became the USA and I've always been fine with that especially with concepts like Liberty and Christendom... which is what it was supposed to be... but the French Revolution with Obama's Administration had broken out and everything had to go especially the Christendom part... now I'm in trouble.

    It's much like abortion in the USA... can do nothing without first overturning Roe v Wade... well, likewise can do nothing without taking down the USA Deep State first... Same thing with the Church and their deposing Pope Benedict XVI and their involvement in Vatican II...

    I've learned a lot over the years and can see a much larger picture now... by the time I realised I was under attack... they'd already taken and subverted any tools I could use to try and defend myself... Like Nαzι Germany taking Austria... resistance at that point would have been futile... the time to correct course was when lies of Darwinian Evolution and Eugenics were being widely pushed and Our Lady of Fatima being ignored and how Portugal resolved their crisis without the radicalism. 

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    Great post Josh. I am able to upvote some people, but not you or Robert.
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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #37 on: September 04, 2024, 02:31:12 PM »
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  • Yes. It's very sad. And the US is next if Kamala/Walz wins. We must stop them at all costs if we want to win the fight.
    IF KAMALA wins??????? lol. Both scenarios have very similar results if either party wins the white house... they are figurehead shabbos goys to make you feel good or bad about whose in there...  c'mon, man... wake up


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    « Reply #38 on: September 04, 2024, 03:50:56 PM »
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  • That's what the Zionist Deep State wants you to think, Everlast. They want you to think that voting and campaigning and all political activism is useless and achieves nothing, which is false. That way, they'll control you so that you won't want to do anything but just passively accept their victory. The overturning of Roe v Wade would never have occurred through such lazy defeatism which I will never stop opposing. It was achieved by the Conservative Legal movement and thanks to the Trump-Pence Administration for appointing the 3 Christian Pro-Life Supreme Court Justices who broke the back of Roe v Wade and gave Life a chance again. What an astonishing Victory for Pro-Lifers! I know so many good and devout Pro-Lifers whose hearts bled for this cause and for trying to win it at all costs and yet almost all of them believed they would never to live to see the day RvW was overturned. I told them it would, and we just need to pray and work for it, and control the White House through a pro-life conservative candidate for it to inevitably happen. And it has. Now we need to seal that victory by a federal abortion in the next 8 to 12 years. For this, 15 week ban in the next 4 years. 6 week ban between 2028-2032, and complete ban in 2032-2036 seems the best strategy. Pray, and work, Ora et Labora, that is the monastic teaching, don't pray, but say, I won't work. That's wrong. God Bless.

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    « Reply #39 on: September 06, 2024, 05:02:12 PM »
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  • Vance on Trump's IVF mandate, September 5, 2024, Phoenix, Arizona:
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    Reporter: Donald Trump last week announced that he wanted either private insurance companies or the federal government to cover the cost of IVF for families. How would a Trump-Vance administration pay for that?
    Vance: Well, look, there are a lot of things that we could pay for in this country if we focused on American citizens instead of on illegal aliens.
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    « Reply #40 on: September 07, 2024, 08:13:45 PM »
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  • Both scenarios have very similar results if either party wins the white house... they are figurehead shabbos goys to make you feel good or bad about whose in there...  c'mon, man... wake up
    Very similar results? Someone has drunk the kool-aid and it's not those of us voting against Kommie Kamela and CCP Wolz.

    Here's an ad opposing the dems for their anti-Catholic bigotry.
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    « Reply #41 on: September 07, 2024, 09:23:20 PM »
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  • Some of the Trump Train folk have this perception that if Kamala wins, we get Khmer Rouge 2.0 or something. Can you criticize your government freely? Can the press? Is there independent media and private enterprise? Then you don't live in a communist anything. Grow up. Everlast is right
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    « Reply #42 on: September 07, 2024, 11:40:03 PM »
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  • Can you criticize your government freely? Can the press? Is there independent media and private enterprise? Then you don't live in a communist anything. Grow up. Everlast is right

    NO! and NO! and NO! and yes it's serious! Everlast is very wrong!

    I don't understand how you cannot see it yet... I guess they haven't come for you yet because your not a realistic threat to them... they can deal with you when they are finished with the real threats. Like Russia because they stopped the USA Deep States plans with ISIS in Syria, the Russians are not going along with their gender madness either and this isn't some lone person like yourself, this is an entire nation with many resources (including nukes) to back them and their position up with.

    Trump also because he humiliated them and stopped their plans especially with Clinton who was supposed to be a sure thing... and Trump likewise is not some lone person like yourself, as he represents are large portion of the people being 'elected' to begin with. This is also why Pope Benedict XVI had to be deposed and was an absolute priority, as when the crucial time came, they needed a 'who am I to judge' comment... who knows what Pope Benedict XVI would have said at that crucial moment... too much of a liability so he had to go. Then some nonsense about walls. Oh but I think Bergoglio did criticise abortion somewhere... but after the election... how convenient.

    In Australia we have no say in your elections, so here they can go full totalitarian during C0VlD for example as it's not like we can get at those like Fauci, Gates, Pfizer etc. They did however have to be careful, because Australia was being rightly used as an example of the kind of totalitarianism that they wanted and would have absolutely instituted in all USA States if they could get away with it... but as rigged as it is you guys can still vote, so they need to be careful with you until they secure all their weak spots. That's why Biden said he would not mandate the jabs when he was running and then he mandated them when he was in office and had the numbers.

    You need to open your eyes.

    There is a war going on and it is fought incrementally, so that the majority of people do not even know they are under attack and when they finally realise they will turn around and find they have no resources to defend themselves... Obama was a very smart man... he is working toward very evil ends though. His strategy was flawless and worked for a very long time... kinda like Napoleon... but I've caught onto it and so have many others IMO, thanks in large part to their own arrogance and heavy handedness.

    When dealing with very large numbers of people, it is a fools errand to expect every one of them to be on the exact same page over every issue, but there is a vague and general direction one can lean toward, Obama knew this and harnessed this extremely well... toward evil ends though... this now needs to be harnessed toward Good and Godly ends.

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    « Reply #43 on: September 08, 2024, 12:54:22 PM »
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  • Vance on Trump's IVF mandate, September 5, 2024, Phoenix, Arizona:

    Reporter: Donald Trump last week announced that he wanted either private insurance companies or the federal government to cover the cost of IVF for families. How would a Trump-Vance administration pay for that?

    Vance: Well, look, there are a lot of things that we could pay for in this country if we focused on American citizens instead of on illegal aliens.
    So, Mr. So-called Pro-Life affirms taxpayers paying for IVF. 

    I thought about this when I heard a sermon by a traditional Catholic priest today pointing out that one party is pro-abortion.  Why doesn't he also bring up the fact that the other party wishes to do this?

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    « Reply #44 on: September 08, 2024, 03:08:24 PM »
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  • So, Mr. So-called Pro-Life affirms taxpayers paying for IVF. 

    I thought about this when I heard a sermon by a traditional Catholic priest today pointing out that one party is pro-abortion.  Why doesn't he also bring up the fact that the other party wishes to do this?
    I think Vance is ignorant about IVF, not pro-abortion.
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