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Traditional Catholic Faith => Politics and World Leaders => Topic started by: Mr G on April 09, 2024, 08:19:15 AM
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Article: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances - LifeSite (lifesitenews.com) (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trump-touts-support-for-ivf-abortion-in-various-circuмstances/?utm_source=featured-news&utm_campaign=usa)
Video BREAKING: Trump Touts Support For IVF, Abortion in Various Circuмstances (lifesitenews.com) (https://www.lifesitenews.com/episodes/trump-touts-support-for-ivf-abortion-in-various-circuмstances)
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Since last September, Trump has repeatedly suggested (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trump-criticizes-heartbeat-laws-again-a-lot-of-women-dont-know-if-theyre-pregnant-in-5-or-6-weeks/) that if elected again he wants to find a “certain number of weeks” that would make both sides “happy” to put the issue “behind us,” even going so far as to call heartbeat-based abortion bans enacted by various states a “terrible mistake,” emphasize his desire for whatever pro-life actions Republicans pursue to contain exceptions for the so-called “hard cases.”
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National Right to Life Committee president Carol Tobias reacted (https://www.nrlc.org/communications/nrlc-on-president-donald-j-trumps-position-on-abortion/) by praising Trump’s “work in ensuring that the wrongly decided Roe v. Wade was abandoned to the garbage heap of history” and pro-life record from his first term and “look[ing] forward to defeating the pro-abortion Biden-hαɾɾιs ticket and working with President Trump to build an America that truly respects life at every stage,” but not commenting on his latest comments.
By contrast, Live Action founder Lila Rose strongly denounced the statement, declaring Trump “is not a pro-life candidate” and calling on him to reject “this swamp-consultant-driven position” in favor of returning to that of the longstanding Republican Party Platform (https://ballotpedia.s3.amazonaws.com/images/1/10/2016_Republican_Party_Platform.pdf), which “support a human life amendment to the Constitution and legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to children before birth.”
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Trump is a stupid zionist a-s
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"I'm pro life" - Donald Trump.
... lol
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(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_social_share_1024x768_scale,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2017_21/2007996/170522-trump-western-wall-jerusalem-njs-935a.jpg)
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(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_social_share_1024x768_scale,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2017_21/2007996/170522-trump-western-wall-jerusalem-njs-935a.jpg)
When Israel gets this guy elected, the hands will rub oh, so more intensely.
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No Catholic can with good conscience cast a ballot for Trump at this point.
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No Catholic can with good conscience cast a ballot for Trump at this point.
Agreed. At this point, no possible argument can be made that stands up to test of double effect in voting for him. Anything else would be "lesser evil" reasoning, i.e. that Biden is more pro-abortion than Trump.
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This isn’t new and these objections were already dealt with in 2015-16. We know Trump isn’t a True Conservative™ like Jeb, Lindsay Graham & Ted Cruz. Not surprisingly, the cuckservative establishment is using this issue to undermine Trump and the Pro-Life Movement™ joins right in because they’re still angry that he exposed them in 2016.
All of you who oppose Trump almost always direct people back to the GOPe and the faker aspects of yesteryears culture wars (which in turn allows the left to regain lost ground), while claiming to be “to the right of Trump” because you’re not solid on immigration and race. “Traditional Catholics” in the US are either allied to Con Inc. or are too blind, stupid, and unwise to see how you are used by them.
The dissident/alt-right already laid out the plan to end abortion in the long run, many of you should have been paying attention instead of becoming short-sighted, self-righteous pharisees.
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This isn’t new and these objections were already dealt with in 2015-16. We know Trump isn’t a True Conservative™ like Jeb, Lindsay Graham & Ted Cruz. Not surprisingly, the cuckservative establishment is using this issue to undermine Trump and the Pro-Life Movement™ joins right in because they’re still angry that he exposed them in 2016.
All of you who oppose Trump almost always direct people back to the GOPe and the faker aspects of yesteryears culture wars (which in turn allows the left to regain lost ground), while claiming to be “to the right of Trump” because you’re not solid on immigration and race. “Traditional Catholics” in the US are either allied to Con Inc. or are too blind, stupid, and unwise to see how you are used by them.
The dissident/alt-right already laid out the plan to end abortion in the long run, many of you should have been paying attention instead of becoming short-sighted, self-righteous pharisees.
One question, is he playing 4D or 6D chess this time? :laugh1:
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No Catholic can with good conscience cast a ballot for Trump at this point.
Exactly. You have this point to express if people ever ask "why?" you didn't vote.
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One question, is he playing 4D or 6D chess this time? :laugh1:
ZeroD, because he never ran as a culture warrior™ and avoided the left’s traps to focus on bigger issues. That he may not have succeeded on those issues is one thing, but falling for these attacks on him does us no good. That’s why the whole “I feel betrayed by Trump” over this comes off as fake and gαy.
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I was already not planning to vote for him, but what about this news makes this a definite no vote for Trump? Did he really change his stance? What Republican candidate has ever been 100% pro-life (or non-zionist for that matter)? From what I remember, those who were 100% pro-life were never the GOP's pick.
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He will *maybe* get my respect if his court picks get Obergefell overturned.
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He will *maybe* get my respect if his court picks get Obergefell overturned.
That is very unlikely to happen. And should it happen, the states will rush to enshrine sodomite "marriage" and more through legislation or referendum.
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He will *maybe* get my respect if his court picks get Obergefell overturned.
His SCOTUS picks operate according to what the monied powers-that-be want, not according to God's ways. The Caitlyn Jenner/David Rubin/Dick Cheney cohort of the GOP won't have it any other way. (Remember that Obergefell was fundamentally about property rights and estate law.) Did you not see that Melania's fundraiser gala last week was specifically for an audience of deep-pocket sodomites?
Alito deep in his heart maybe knew that the truly right thing to do was to declare flat out that abortion at any stage of gestation is murder, but he understood that punting to the states was the only legalistic maneuver available. Too bad that the organized left (despite their hissy fit theatrics, gotta get the coeds marching and screeching every so often) was eagerly awaiting this outcome and already prepared with their own local court challenges and state-level ballot referenda.
Pragmatism may be expedient, but it prioritizes the worldly over the sacred. Pragmatism's also a gamble at a pragmatic level. With God, there's no gambling.
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ZeroD, because he never ran as a culture warrior™ and avoided the left’s traps to focus on bigger issues. That he may not have succeeded on those issues is one thing, but falling for these attacks on him does us no good. That’s why the whole “I feel betrayed by Trump” over this comes off as fake and gαy.
Unqualified agreement with the last sentence.
Qualified agreement with the first and second sentences, but only to point out errors in perception of what happened and is happening.
The Don has always had a preternatural ability to sniff out paths to personal advantage. He didn't run as a culture warrior, but he did sense that he could manipulate and ride on an obvious and growing wave of anger and disgust.
Falling for attacks on him is indeed a distraction and a waste of energy, and that's exactly what the uniparty wants us to do.
Yet he willingly feeds it so that his blinded supporters identify with his victimhood and can't focus their attention on anything else, especially not the real truth as to the source of the rot so obvious everywhere. Trump Bible? Trump as reality-show Court TV underdog? Trump as ersatz savior? (Just look at some of the blasphemous memes the froggers unironically love to post nonstop.) The left is laughing at it.
If Trump does win again, it'll be because the worldings (answering to the prince of this world) know it's a necessary step in their trajectory. Whether or not Trump realizes he's their gamepiece is his problem, not mine.
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while claiming to be “to the right of Trump” because you’re not solid on immigration and race.
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The dissident/alt-right already laid out the plan to end abortion in the long run
1: With that high a post count, it's not like you're new around here....
2: Please 'splain that mighty plan (or provide URL'd redirection), since we're so addled. Which dissident/alt-right might that be? If it's a pagan sandbox that doesn't recognize Christ the King, if it's a 5 Solas echo chamber, hey, you can keep it.
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Trump, Kari Lake, et al. are all RINOs/demagogues, not principled.
One RINO representative in Arizona said it's legislating from the bench! (The purpose of the legislature is to interpret law and its applicability! It didn't create a new law!)
Another RINO said he's not a woman and can't judge.
U.S. Senate candidate Kari Lake said (https://karilake.com/kari-lake-releases-statement-on-arizona-supreme-court-abortion-ruling/):
As your Senator, I will OPPOSE:
– Federal funding for abortion
– Federal ban(s) on abortion
As your Senator, I will FIGHT FOR:
– Baby Bonuses
– Making adoption more accessible and affordable
– Strengthening the economy so that Mothers can AFFORD a baby
– Protecting IVF
– Extending the child tax credit
– Paid family leave
– Investing in childcare
What a disgrace!
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Update today (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257338/trump-says-he-will-not-sign-a-national-abortion-ban-if-reelected):
"Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday said he would not sign a national abortion ban if reelected to the office of the presidency in November.
The Republican presidential candidate was at an event in Atlanta on Wednesday when a reporter asked him:
'Would you sign a national abortion ban if Congress sent it to your desk?'
'No,' Trump said in response.
Asked by the reporter: “You wouldn’t sign it?” Trump responded again: “No.' "
Clear enough yet?
Trump says he will not sign a national abortion ban if reelected (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257338/trump-says-he-will-not-sign-a-national-abortion-ban-if-reelected)
By Daniel Payne (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/author/807/daniel-payne)
CNA Staff, Apr 10, 2024 / 14:20 pm
Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday said he would not sign a national abortion ban if reelected to the office of the presidency in November.
The Republican presidential candidate was at an event in Atlanta on Wednesday when a reporter asked him: “Would you sign a national abortion ban if Congress sent it to your desk?”
“No,” Trump said in response.
Asked by the reporter: “You wouldn’t sign it?” Trump responded again: “No.”
Trump had minutes earlier indicated that he disagreed with this week’s historic ruling at the Arizona Supreme Court (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257327/arizona-supreme-court-upholds-law-restricting-abortion-protecting-life-throughout-pregnancy). That court on Monday ruled that state law does not guarantee a right to an abortion and that an 1864 law prohibiting all abortions can take effect later this month.
Asked in Atlanta on Wednesday if that ruling “went too far,” Trump responded: “Yeah they did, and that will be straightened out.”
“I’m sure that the governor and everybody else are going to bring it back into reason and that’ll be taken care of, I think very quickly,” the former president said.
Trump has been steadily positioning himself as more of a centrist on abortion in recent months.
On Monday he said in a social media video (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257314/trump-on-abortion-it-s-up-to-the-states-to-do-the-right-thing) that “at the end of the day” abortion law in the U.S. is “all about the will of the people” and that “now it’s up to the states to do the right thing.”
Last September, meanwhile, he called Florida’s six-week abortion (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/255406/donald-trump-calls-6-week-abortion-ban-a-terrible-mistake) ban “a terrible thing” and “a terrible mistake.”
President Joe Biden, on the other hand, last month promised to support (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257033/biden-promises-legal-abortion-nationwide-in-state-of-the-union-address) a law that would legalize abortion nationwide in response to the repeal of Roe v. Wade two years ago.
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Update today (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257338/trump-says-he-will-not-sign-a-national-abortion-ban-if-reelected):
"Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday said he would not sign a national abortion ban if reelected to the office of the presidency in November.
The Republican presidential candidate was at an event in Atlanta on Wednesday when a reporter asked him:
'Would you sign a national abortion ban if Congress sent it to your desk?'
'No,' Trump said in response.
Asked by the reporter: “You wouldn’t sign it?” Trump responded again: “No.' "
Clear enough yet?
Trump is a whole lot smarter than people generally give him credit for, maybe not in an intellectual, book-learning sense, but he "gets" people and knows how to get what he wants out of them. There are touches of Fidel Castro and even Charles Manson (yes, that's what I said, Charles Manson) in his people-skills kit. All Fidel had to do, was to pout to the rest of the world, that doesn't like America in the first place ("hate us because they ain't us"?) how mean the United States was to him, with that mean old embargo of theirs, and he has the world eating out of the palm of his hands. And say what you will about Manson, anyone who could get his followers to do all the things they did, in uncritical allegiance to his person, has got some mad people skills. Think of the three young ingenues jauntily walking to the courtroom with beatific smiles on their faces, because they were doing it all for Charlie. Happy as little larks. What a spell he held over them!
Trump is feinting into a "not pro-life but not pro-choice either" message to try and snag people who are kinda-sorta pro-choice, but who aren't terribly enthusiastic about voting for Biden, trying to assure him that they have nothing to fear from him. And in a deft bit of triangulation, after a fashion, he can look to pro-life people and say "what are you going to do, stand by and watch Biden get re-elected, or will you vote for me instead?". IOW, "I'm the best you're going to be able to do, so just deal with it".
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He's for states' rights, isn't he?
As long as he doesn't force states to kill babies, isn't that good?
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Trump is a whole lot smarter than people generally give him credit for, maybe not in an intellectual, book-learning sense, but he "gets" people and knows how to get what he wants out of them. There are touches of Fidel Castro and even Charles Manson (yes, that's what I said, Charles Manson) in his people-skills kit. All Fidel had to do, was to pout to the rest of the world, that doesn't like America in the first place ("hate us because they ain't us"?) how mean the United States was to him, with that mean old embargo of theirs, and he has the world eating out of the palm of his hands. And say what you will about Manson, anyone who could get his followers to do all the things they did, in uncritical allegiance to his person, has got some mad people skills. Think of the three young ingenues jauntily walking to the courtroom with beatific smiles on their faces, because they were doing it all for Charlie. Happy as little larks. What a spell he held over them!
Trump is feinting into a "not pro-life but not pro-choice either" message to try and snag people who are kinda-sorta pro-choice, but who aren't terribly enthusiastic about voting for Biden, trying to assure him that they have nothing to fear from him. And in a deft bit of triangulation, after a fashion, he can look to pro-life people and say "what are you going to do, stand by and watch Biden get re-elected, or will you vote for me instead?". IOW, "I'm the best you're going to be able to do, so just deal with it".
I don't think that this kind of thing comes from his own mind. There's somebody from that special race that gives him this kind of direction.
Even if the thinks that he had this ingenious idea, there's probably somebody making him "wise suggestions".
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Trump's abortion view is in line with how the average American (https://news.gallup.com/poll/321143/americans-stand-abortion.aspx) sees it. Nothing new. They are pro-choice in thinking that there should be that choice before a certain cutoff, but pro-life (?) in thinking that past that point, it is infanticide. This is the same exact viewpoint I've heard personally from a lot of people, almost verbatim, by the way.
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in thinking that past that point, it is infanticide.
Killing at any point from conception onward (until the child is no longer an infant, ~2 years old?) is infanticide.
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Update today (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257338/trump-says-he-will-not-sign-a-national-abortion-ban-if-reelected):
"Former President Donald Trump on Wednesday said he would not sign a national abortion ban if reelected to the office of the presidency in November.
The Republican presidential candidate was at an event in Atlanta on Wednesday when a reporter asked him:
'Would you sign a national abortion ban if Congress sent it to your desk?'
'No,' Trump said in response.
Asked by the reporter: “You wouldn’t sign it?” Trump responded again: “No.' "
Clear enough yet?
Abraham Lincoln also said he was not an abolitionist.
We have a long road ahead of us but we are either moving in the right direction or the wrong direction... this movement is vitally important.
Your also being totally played... that's why you will always lose because you can't see how your being played. That question is a trick question, no matter how Trump answers it they will use it to divide and conquer, as you just have... thus you are their perfect patsy... as when you walk off the field the enemy claims it and they don't care at all about you, because your not a realistic threat to their wholesale slaughter... only Trump is with his base of pro-lifers... that's what scares them... they will use every trick in the book to throw us and Trump off course... remember, we just need to be moving forward, we can worry about the next battle after we win the current one.
There are many battles to fight and win before the war is over. When Napoleon invaded Russia... Tsar Alexander never expected to end up in Paris, they were too focused on just surviving it... let alone even thinking about going on the offensive... Thus when Napoleon invaded, any talk of entering Paris would be laughable... how about we focus on what's in front of us first?
Trump overturning Roe v Wade was no small thing and a huge victory... could go nowhere without taking that down first, which he did against all odds and so many saying he couldn't and wouldn't do it... but he did. We need to pray for Trump.
"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
God Bless
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I was already not planning to vote for him, but what about this news makes this a definite no vote for Trump? Did he really change his stance? What Republican candidate has ever been 100% pro-life (or non-zionist for that matter)? From what I remember, those who were 100% pro-life were never the GOP's pick.
I still have these questions.
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ZeroD, because he never ran as a culture warrior™ and avoided the left’s traps to focus on bigger issues.
Left's trap? Bigger issues? Sorry, but this statement is wrong in almost every respect. When Atheist Communists, and Bolshevik Jews, took over Christian Russia and made it the Communist Soviet Union, one of the first things they did is legalize abortion: "The Soviet government was the first government in Europe to legalize abortion. In October 1920 the Bolsheviks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolsheviks) made abortion legal within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Soviet_Federative_Socialist_Republic) with their "Decree on Women's Healthcare". After the RSFSR the law was introduced in Ukraine (5 July 1921) and then the remainder of the Soviet Union." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Russia#Abortion_in_the_Soviet_Union This historical fact means abortion is one of those "errors of Russia" Our Lady specifically named and told us to fight. God will not give blessings and peace in other areas until this great Sword on His Heart, or Thorn in His Mother's Heart, of abortion-killing/infanticide on demand is finally and justly banned and outlawed. Btw, some time several decades later, they realized this was leading to demographic problems and then restricted it. Abortion on demand always leads to bad demographics. White birth-rates are low because there's been rampant promotion, and also acceptance, of all forms of non-procreative and anti-procreative things including contraception, abortion, sodomy etc. Ending and outlawing abortion is absolutely key to winning that fight also.
Back to Trump: he won in 2016 because (1) of Evangelical support (2) of Catholic support and also because (3) he called out and condemned Killary Clinton for wanting to kill babies in late term abortion near birth. Conservatives liked that, and so elected him into office. He needs to go back to at least attacking late term abortions, and other Conservatives should put pressure on him for, at minimum, a 15 week federal abortion ban, as Marjorie Dannenfelser asked for. That's the best that can be hoped for from the next Administration given the circuмstances, along with 2 more Pro-Life Supreme Court Justices in the mould of Barrett, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch. Then, a 6 week ban could be implemented in the years 2028-2032 if DeSantis or Vance gets in, and a complete ban by 2033 in the 2033-36 term.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Russia#cite_note-:0-5)
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President Lincoln, who helped abolish another grave evil, Slavery, though many said it was impossible to do, like we hope to abolish Abortion today, though many are still saying that is impossible to do, also had some important reminders on what merits divine blessings and what incurs divine chastisements. One should seek the Kingdom of God, and its interests like ending Abortion first, and then all other things, including material blessings etc (being 34 Trillion dollars in debt, with 1 trillion interest payments added every 100 odd days is not a blessing - whereas God said in the OT that He would bless nations that obeyed Him in such a way that "you will lend to many nations and borrow from none"), in their own proper measure will be given to nations that keep God's commandments.
From: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/docuмents/proclamation-97-appointing-day-national-humiliation-fasting-and-prayer
Whereas the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the supreme authority and just government of Almighty God in all the affairs of men and of nations, has by a resolution requested the President to designate and set apart a day for national prayer and humiliation; and[/font][/size][/color]
Whereas it is the duty of nations as well as of men to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon, and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord;
And, insomuch as we know that by His divine law nations, like individuals, are subjected to punishments and chastisements in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of cινιℓ ωαr which now desolates the land may be but a punishment inflicted upon us for our presumptuous sins, to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole people? We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven; we have been preserved these many years in peace and prosperity; we have grown in numbers, wealth, and power as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us, and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us.
It behooves us, then, to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.
Now, therefore, in compliance with the request, and fully concurring in the views of the Senate, I do by this my proclamation designate and set apart Thursday, the 30th day of April, 1863, as a day of national humiliation, fasting, and prayer. And I do hereby request all the people to abstain on that day from their ordinary secular pursuits, and to unite at their several places of public worship and their respective homes in keeping the day holy to the Lord and devoted to the humble discharge of the religious duties proper to that solemn occasion.
All this being done in sincerity and truth, let us then rest humbly in the hope authorized by the divine teachings that the united cry of the nation will be heard on high and answered with blessings no less than the pardon of our national sins and the restoration of our now divided and suffering country to its former happy condition of unity and peace. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.
Done at the city of Washington, this 30th day of March, A. D. 1863, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty-seventh.
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President Lincoln, who helped abolish another grave evil, Slavery, though many said it was impossible to do, like we hope to abolish Abortion today, though many are still saying that is impossible to do, also had some important reminders on what merits divine blessings and what incurs divine chastisements. One should seek the Kingdom of God, and its interests like ending Abortion first, and then all other things, including material blessings etc (being 34 Trillion dollars in debt, with 1 trillion interest payments added every 100 odd days is not a blessing - whereas God said in the OT that He would bless nations that obeyed Him in such a way that "you will lend to many nations and borrow from none"), in their own proper measure will be given to nations that keep God's commandments.
From: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/docuмents/proclamation-97-appointing-day-national-humiliation-fasting-and-prayer
Whereas the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the supreme authority and just government of Almighty God in all the affairs of men and of nations, has by a resolution requested the President to designate and set apart a day for national prayer and humiliation; and
Whereas it is the duty of nations as well as of men to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon, and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord;
And, insomuch as we know that by His divine law nations, like individuals, are subjected to punishments and chastisements in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of cινιℓ ωαr which now desolates the land may be but a punishment inflicted upon us for our presumptuous sins, to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole people? We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven; we have been preserved these many years in peace and prosperity; we have grown in numbers, wealth, and power as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us, and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us.
It behooves us, then, to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.
Now, therefore, in compliance with the request, and fully concurring in the views of the Senate, I do by this my proclamation designate and set apart Thursday, the 30th day of April, 1863, as a day of national humiliation, fasting, and prayer. And I do hereby request all the people to abstain on that day from their ordinary secular pursuits, and to unite at their several places of public worship and their respective homes in keeping the day holy to the Lord and devoted to the humble discharge of the religious duties proper to that solemn occasion.
All this being done in sincerity and truth, let us then rest humbly in the hope authorized by the divine teachings that the united cry of the nation will be heard on high and answered with blessings no less than the pardon of our national sins and the restoration of our now divided and suffering country to its former happy condition of unity and peace. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.
Done at the city of Washington, this 30th day of March, A. D. 1863, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty-seventh.
You need to be educated about Lincoln:
“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.”
Lincoln August 22, 1862
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Your also being totally played... that's why you will always lose because you can't see how your being played. That question is a trick question, no matter how Trump answers it they will use it to divide and conquer, as you just have... thus you are their perfect patsy... as when you walk off the field the enemy claims it and they don't care at all about you, because your not a realistic threat to their wholesale slaughter... only Trump is with his base of pro-lifers... that's what scares them... they will use every trick in the book to throw us and Trump off course... remember, we just need to be moving forward, we can worry about the next battle after we win the current one.
With your panoramic views of history, have you yet researched the United States 10th Amendment to the Constitution and the wording of the Dobbs decision? If you haven't, then you have no idea about which you speak. The US Republican Party at the top views abortion tactically, not morally.
And what you label as "his" base of pro-lifers isn't "his". As if questions of traditional Catholic morality first need to ask permission of a handful of cynical operatives in a US election year.
Lots of other important social and economic issues are shoved onto the back burner since (((they've))) discovered that muh reproductive rights! is one of the easiest ways to push buttons and distract and control and rile people up on both the so-called right and the left. (And if you don't understand who "they" are, then you still have a lot of work to do.)
Please further explain who is this "you" that is being played. Everyone on CathInfo? Any American voter who isn't buying this game, such as those who know plenty about Trump up close from NYC going back to the 1970s, including his close mentorship by Roy Cohn? Look up that last one, why don't you?
Tell us, are you at all as fervently and frequently online about Australian politics as you are about US politics? How about what's going on in the UK, closer to your patrimony? Or is it a moth-to-the-flame sort of situation?
Bringing it back to a CathInfo sort of core, why don't you consider for a moment how the Epistle for the 15th Sunday after Pentecost might apply to the topic in question? Please, for the good of your own soul, do try to think more than you type. It would help.
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And in a deft bit of triangulation, after a fashion, he can look to pro-life people and say "what are you going to do, stand by and watch Biden Kamala get re-elected, or will you vote for me instead?". IOW, "I'm the best you're going to be able to do, so just deal with it".
THIS, updated and emphasis added.
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"I'm pro life" - Donald Trump.
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Political figures are whatever getting the vote ;)
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Any American voter who isn't buying this game, such as those who know plenty about Trump up close from NYC going back to the 1970s, including his close mentorship by Roy Cohn? Look up that last one, why don't you?
Tell us, are you at all as fervently and frequently online about Australian politics as you are about US politics? How about what's going on in the UK, closer to your patrimony? Or is it a moth-to-the-flame sort of situation?
Like I said, I read the same stuff back in 2016 on CAF... Yet Trump did overturn Roe v Wade... with great difficulty and pushback, Trump actually has some wins on the board... doesn't mean his positions are perfect or that he isn't fallible... he is fallible (like any human being) and why we need to pray for him... but he does have some wins on the board other than those who just want to condemn and despair... also in light of the alternative it's a clear choice.
In terms of Australian politics... well that's a long story, I remember in 2014 or so when the whole 'gαy marriage' thing was hitting our shores... I thought, what the hell is going on? everyone's gone mad? this is crazy... say what you want about marriage and the law, but 'equality' is just madness, there is nothing equal about it... ever heard of the reproductive system? (Something hitting home with the transgender madness with women's sports as there is only so long you can deny objective reality until you crash into it) Then with the fallacious arguments, propaganda and demonization... none of this was honest or real... Then I look at the Church and it's totally captured (been in the making for a very long time)... now I know why removing Pope Benedict XVI was an absolute priority for these snakes... I found out that this raging fire was well beyond anything one could tackle in Australia... that battle was over before it even begun because it began in the USA (Just like the French Revolution) and you guys already lost it and Australia (just like Pope Benedict XVI) simply do not have the resources to compete against that.
I would not be here at all if it were not for the USA's revolutionary fervour destroying Marriage, Family, Christendom, the Church and so much more. I quickly realised that we are a vassal state and we simply do not have the resources to compete against the USA when you guys go rogue.
Australia will always have a larger neighbour to be allied with as we simply cannot compete against larger adversaries on our own... this began as the UK but after WWII became the USA and I've always been fine with that especially with concepts like Liberty and Christendom... which is what it was supposed to be... but the French Revolution with Obama's Administration had broken out and everything had to go especially the Christendom part... now I'm in trouble.
It's much like abortion in the USA... can do nothing without first overturning Roe v Wade... well, likewise can do nothing without taking down the USA Deep State first... Same thing with the Church and their deposing Pope Benedict XVI and their involvement in Vatican II...
I've learned a lot over the years and can see a much larger picture now... by the time I realised I was under attack... they'd already taken and subverted any tools I could use to try and defend myself... Like Nαzι Germany taking Austria... resistance at that point would have been futile... the time to correct course was when lies of Darwinian Evolution and Eugenics were being widely pushed and Our Lady of Fatima being ignored and how Portugal resolved their crisis without the radicalism.
God Bless
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X is one of the last bastions of Free Speech in the world. Apart from a few other places like CI, Gab etc, of course. But X has some 100s of millions if not Billions of users worldwide. Now, Commie Thugs in Brazil want to clamp down on and close American-owned X, and they will succeed if Kamala gets in. Kamala may even clamp down on Elon's X itself, and this is part of the reason that Elon, post the assassination attempt especially, campaigns now for Trump.
Elon reposted this: "On September 7th, Brazil's Independence Day, people will march for freedom, protesting judicial overreach and defending free speech." https://x.com/cb_doge/status/1830830439398789371
(https://x.com/cb_doge/status/1830830439398789371/photo/1)
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X is one of the last bastions of Free Speech in the world. Apart from a few other places like CI, Gab etc, of course. But X has some 100s of millions if not Billions of users worldwide. Now, Commie Thugs in Brazil want to clamp down on and close American-owned X, and they will succeed if Kamala gets in. Kamala may even clamp down on Elon's X itself, and this is part of the reason that Elon, post the assassination attempt especially, campaigns now for Trump.
Elon reposted this: "On September 7th, Brazil's Independence Day, people will march for freedom, protesting judicial overreach and defending free speech." https://x.com/cb_doge/status/1830830439398789371
(https://x.com/cb_doge/status/1830830439398789371/photo/1)
X is already down in Brazil. It has been inaccessible for some days now.
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X is already down in Brazil. It has been inaccessible for some days now.
Yes. It's very sad. And the US is next if Kamala/Walz wins. We must stop them at all costs if we want to win the fight.
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Like I said, I read the same stuff back in 2016 on CAF... Yet Trump did overturn Roe v Wade... with great difficulty and pushback, Trump actually has some wins on the board... doesn't mean his positions are perfect or that he isn't fallible... he is fallible (like any human being) and why we need to pray for him... but he does have some wins on the board other than those who just want to condemn and despair... also in light of the alternative it's a clear choice.
In terms of Australian politics... well that's a long story, I remember in 2014 or so when the whole 'gαy marriage' thing was hitting our shores... I thought, what the hell is going on? everyone's gone mad? this is crazy... say what you want about marriage and the law, but 'equality' is just madness, there is nothing equal about it... ever heard of the reproductive system? (Something hitting home with the transgender madness with women's sports as there is only so long you can deny objective reality until you crash into it) Then with the fallacious arguments, propaganda and demonization... none of this was honest or real... Then I look at the Church and it's totally captured (been in the making for a very long time)... now I know why removing Pope Benedict XVI was an absolute priority for these snakes... I found out that this raging fire was well beyond anything one could tackle in Australia... that battle was over before it even begun because it began in the USA (Just like the French Revolution) and you guys already lost it and Australia (just like Pope Benedict XVI) simply do not have the resources to compete against that.
I would not be here at all if it were not for the USA's revolutionary fervour destroying Marriage, Family, Christendom, the Church and so much more. I quickly realised that we are a vassal state and we simply do not have the resources to compete against the USA when you guys go rogue.
Australia will always have a larger neighbour to be allied with as we simply cannot compete against larger adversaries on our own... this began as the UK but after WWII became the USA and I've always been fine with that especially with concepts like Liberty and Christendom... which is what it was supposed to be... but the French Revolution with Obama's Administration had broken out and everything had to go especially the Christendom part... now I'm in trouble.
It's much like abortion in the USA... can do nothing without first overturning Roe v Wade... well, likewise can do nothing without taking down the USA Deep State first... Same thing with the Church and their deposing Pope Benedict XVI and their involvement in Vatican II...
I've learned a lot over the years and can see a much larger picture now... by the time I realised I was under attack... they'd already taken and subverted any tools I could use to try and defend myself... Like Nαzι Germany taking Austria... resistance at that point would have been futile... the time to correct course was when lies of Darwinian Evolution and Eugenics were being widely pushed and Our Lady of Fatima being ignored and how Portugal resolved their crisis without the radicalism.
God Bless
Great post Josh. I am able to upvote some people, but not you or Robert.
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Yes. It's very sad. And the US is next if Kamala/Walz wins. We must stop them at all costs if we want to win the fight.
IF KAMALA wins??????? lol. Both scenarios have very similar results if either party wins the white house... they are figurehead shabbos goys to make you feel good or bad about whose in there... c'mon, man... wake up
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That's what the Zionist Deep State wants you to think, Everlast. They want you to think that voting and campaigning and all political activism is useless and achieves nothing, which is false. That way, they'll control you so that you won't want to do anything but just passively accept their victory. The overturning of Roe v Wade would never have occurred through such lazy defeatism which I will never stop opposing. It was achieved by the Conservative Legal movement and thanks to the Trump-Pence Administration for appointing the 3 Christian Pro-Life Supreme Court Justices who broke the back of Roe v Wade and gave Life a chance again. What an astonishing Victory for Pro-Lifers! I know so many good and devout Pro-Lifers whose hearts bled for this cause and for trying to win it at all costs and yet almost all of them believed they would never to live to see the day RvW was overturned. I told them it would, and we just need to pray and work for it, and control the White House through a pro-life conservative candidate for it to inevitably happen. And it has. Now we need to seal that victory by a federal abortion in the next 8 to 12 years. For this, 15 week ban in the next 4 years. 6 week ban between 2028-2032, and complete ban in 2032-2036 seems the best strategy. Pray, and work, Ora et Labora, that is the monastic teaching, don't pray, but say, I won't work. That's wrong. God Bless.
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Vance on Trump's IVF mandate, September 5, 2024, Phoenix, Arizona (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5131193/user-clip-vance-trumps-proposed-ivf-mandate):
Reporter: Donald Trump last week announced that he wanted either private insurance companies or the federal government to cover the cost of IVF for families. How would a Trump-Vance administration pay for that?
Vance: Well, look, there are a lot of things that we could pay for in this country if we focused on American citizens instead of on illegal aliens.
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Both scenarios have very similar results if either party wins the white house... they are figurehead shabbos goys to make you feel good or bad about whose in there... c'mon, man... wake up
Very similar results? Someone has drunk the kool-aid and it's not those of us voting against Kommie Kamela and CCP Wolz.
Here's an ad opposing the dems for their anti-Catholic bigotry.
https://youtu.be/SzW3Nh5UbMI
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Some of the Trump Train folk have this perception that if Kamala wins, we get Khmer Rouge 2.0 or something. Can you criticize your government freely? Can the press? Is there independent media and private enterprise? Then you don't live in a communist anything. Grow up. Everlast is right
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Can you criticize your government freely? Can the press? Is there independent media and private enterprise? Then you don't live in a communist anything. Grow up. Everlast is right
NO! and NO! and NO! and yes it's serious! Everlast is very wrong!
I don't understand how you cannot see it yet... I guess they haven't come for you yet because your not a realistic threat to them... they can deal with you when they are finished with the real threats. Like Russia because they stopped the USA Deep States plans with ISIS in Syria, the Russians are not going along with their gender madness either and this isn't some lone person like yourself, this is an entire nation with many resources (including nukes) to back them and their position up with.
Trump also because he humiliated them and stopped their plans especially with Clinton who was supposed to be a sure thing... and Trump likewise is not some lone person like yourself, as he represents are large portion of the people being 'elected' to begin with. This is also why Pope Benedict XVI had to be deposed and was an absolute priority, as when the crucial time came, they needed a 'who am I to judge' comment... who knows what Pope Benedict XVI would have said at that crucial moment... too much of a liability so he had to go. Then some nonsense about walls. Oh but I think Bergoglio did criticise abortion somewhere... but after the election... how convenient.
In Australia we have no say in your elections, so here they can go full totalitarian during C0VlD for example as it's not like we can get at those like Fauci, Gates, Pfizer etc. They did however have to be careful, because Australia was being rightly used as an example of the kind of totalitarianism that they wanted and would have absolutely instituted in all USA States if they could get away with it... but as rigged as it is you guys can still vote, so they need to be careful with you until they secure all their weak spots. That's why Biden said he would not mandate the jabs when he was running and then he mandated them when he was in office and had the numbers.
You need to open your eyes.
There is a war going on and it is fought incrementally, so that the majority of people do not even know they are under attack and when they finally realise they will turn around and find they have no resources to defend themselves... Obama was a very smart man... he is working toward very evil ends though. His strategy was flawless and worked for a very long time... kinda like Napoleon... but I've caught onto it and so have many others IMO, thanks in large part to their own arrogance and heavy handedness.
When dealing with very large numbers of people, it is a fools errand to expect every one of them to be on the exact same page over every issue, but there is a vague and general direction one can lean toward, Obama knew this and harnessed this extremely well... toward evil ends though... this now needs to be harnessed toward Good and Godly ends.
"Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
God Bless
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Vance on Trump's IVF mandate, September 5, 2024, Phoenix, Arizona (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5131193/user-clip-vance-trumps-proposed-ivf-mandate):
Reporter: Donald Trump last week announced that he wanted either private insurance companies or the federal government to cover the cost of IVF for families. How would a Trump-Vance administration pay for that?
Vance: Well, look, there are a lot of things that we could pay for in this country if we focused on American citizens instead of on illegal aliens.
So, Mr. So-called Pro-Life affirms taxpayers paying for IVF.
I thought about this when I heard a sermon by a traditional Catholic priest today pointing out that one party is pro-abortion. Why doesn't he also bring up the fact that the other party wishes to do this?
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So, Mr. So-called Pro-Life affirms taxpayers paying for IVF.
I thought about this when I heard a sermon by a traditional Catholic priest today pointing out that one party is pro-abortion. Why doesn't he also bring up the fact that the other party wishes to do this?
I think Vance is ignorant about IVF, not pro-abortion.
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Some of the Trump Train folk have this perception that if Kamala wins, we get Khmer Rouge 2.0 or something. Can you criticize your government freely? Can the press? Is there independent media and private enterprise? Then you don't live in a communist anything. Grow up. Everlast is right
Are you not aware of the Jan 6 prisoners, many of whom never entered the People's House, none of whom were violent (violence was done by alphabet police trying to create a riot i.e. Bill Eps and cops who used tear gas and other non-lethal weapons against innocent bystanders and killed an unarmed woman without cause -- she was the only person killed that day). Since Jan 6 2020, they're still in prison without due process and without needed medical care.
Also Trump and his supporters have been charged with phony crimes and some have been unjustly imprisoned or are facing unjust imprisonment for bookeeping errors, smoke and mirrors faciliatated by media lies.
People praying peacefully in front of baby-killing facilities are routinely being imprisoned.
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why don't you consider for a moment how the Epistle for the 15th Sunday after Pentecost might apply to the topic in question? Please, for the good of your own soul, do try to think more than you type. It would help.
Had you done so yourself, Soubirous, you would not have posted these uncharitable words. Also see "the log in your own eye."
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No Catholic can with good conscience cast a ballot for Trump at this point.
I’m not voting. I’m a Catholic who chooses Jesus Christ.
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No Catholic can with good conscience cast a ballot for Trump at this point.
Pope St. Pius X supported Action Française, thus Catholics can support Trump.
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Correction:
I’m not voting. I’m a CatholicJehovah's Witness who chooses Jesus Christ.
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Not voting is just as fine. Even in competitive states.
You're in Arizona; you probably can't go very far without seeing an ad or lawn sign for either Ruben Gallego or Kari Lake. You've been told it's one of the most competitive races in the country-- that is true. Even you do not have to vote.
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I think Vance is ignorant about IVF, not pro-abortion.
I find this hard to believe, and I would have to see evidence for this. Conservative, pro-life Novus Ordos aren't ignorant about IVF.
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I find this hard to believe, and I would have to see evidence for this. Conservative, pro-life Novus Ordos aren't ignorant about IVF.
Not to mention, if he is ignorant about it, he needs to inform himself about it, and he has no business supporting it politically until he researches it. If he's just an ignoramus (as the poster to whom 2V is responding said), why is he running for such high office? A politician has a duty to be well-informed of the policies he supports, let-alone a so-called Catholic politician.
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I’m not voting. I’m a Catholic who chooses Jesus Christ.
Okay... your vote has been disenfranchised so much already due to the various ways they can rig it (mass undocuмented immigration, mail in ballots, erroneous systems etc)... but that's fine, because eventually you won't be able to vote at all... then it doesn't matter what you choose. I bet the powers that be must love it when people like yourself renounce your vote before it's even been taken away from you yet. Makes their job so much easier.
Ironic too, given the whole point of the American Revolution was because you didn't have any representation... and now your so demoralized that you give it up voluntarily.
Of course, I don't attack you for being so demoralized, that was the whole point and there is a lot to be demoralized about (also a lot to be energized about too but you don't see that)... nevertheless, you've already lost with such an attitude you just don't know it yet. At the end of the day someone is going to win that election... you can sit out being so demoralized or you can at least try to find the best pathway forward and try to heal the Country one small step at a time. The choice is yours but if you don't vote you should not complain when you are totally outnumbered and surrounded... might happen anyway but at least I can say I tried.
Then they can reinstate Roe v Wade (among so much more)... because who cares what you think? You don't vote...
Same thing with the Catholic Church... Pope Benedict XVI was so easy to depose... the 'liberal' or 'modernist' factions wanted him gone and the 'traditional' factions were already split up and divided so much. Maybe you think he deserved it because they allowed the errors of Vatican II... It's been going downhill for some time... it's been over 59 years since Vatican II and even before that... now you've got Bergoglio and it will keep going until you learn how to get it together... or you see just how bad things can get.
You will never go from Bergoglio to pre-Vatican II overnight... you will not have the perfect 'Pope' come down from Heaven... No, it must be worked out through incremental perseverance, like everything in life. The alternative is that you want to go out backwards... which means Nuclear War where as Our Lady of Akita says, the living will envy the dead and if your a masochist you should know that it will spare neither the good nor the bad.
In the French Revolution, yes Robespierre eventually got his head cut off, but so did the Martyrs of Compiegne and many other Catholics... it didn't have to get to that point. The Vendee likewise by taking matters into their own hands did not succeed in their endeavour... King Louis XIV was the one who was supposed to heed the Sacred Heart in battle... but he failed to do so.
"For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world"
God Bless
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Had you done so yourself, Soubirous, you would not have posted these uncharitable words. Also see "the log in your own eye."
Below is the substantive set of questions (emphasis added) from that much longer post back on September 2nd (https://www.cathinfo.com/politics-and-world-leaders/trump-touts-support-for-ivf-abortion-in-various-circuмstances/msg951084/#msg951084), from which you selectively pasted only the last lines (https://www.cathinfo.com/politics-and-world-leaders/trump-touts-support-for-ivf-abortion-in-various-circuмstances/msg952026/#msg952026). I bring it back here to refocus on that "topic in question".
With your panoramic views of history, have you yet researched the United States 10th Amendment to the Constitution and the wording of the Dobbs decision? If you haven't, then you have no idea about which you speak. The US Republican Party at the top views abortion tactically, not morally.
And what you label as "his" base of pro-lifers isn't "his". As if questions of traditional Catholic morality first need to ask permission of a handful of cynical operatives in a US election year.
Lots of other important social and economic issues are shoved onto the back burner since (((they've))) discovered that muh reproductive rights! is one of the easiest ways to push buttons and distract and control and rile people up on both the so-called right and the left. (And if you don't understand who "they" are, then you still have a lot of work to do.)
Please further explain who is this "you" that is being played. Everyone on CathInfo? Any American voter who isn't buying this game, such as those who know plenty about Trump up close from NYC going back to the 1970s, including his close mentorship by Roy Cohn?
These are serious considerations for voters in the USA. These are not bandwagon issues decided based on the urge toward human respect or the hectoring of a faraway poster who writes despite unfamiliarity with actual conditions on the ground here, not only in this election season but prior decades too. To the extent he's willing to learn beyond his seemingly sincere eagerness, all well and good.
Here is what Pope St. Pius X said about charity in Our Apostolic Mandate (https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius10/p10notre.htm), his 1910 Encyclical dealing with these very questions of politics and society:
"Catholic doctrine tells us that the primary duty of charity does not lie in the toleration of false ideas, however sincere they may be, nor in the theoretical or practical indifference towards the errors and vices in which we see our brethren plunged."
The section of Galatians from the Epistle of the 15th Sunday after Pentecost does begin with encouragements to virtue. Yet it also includes the following (https://drbo.org/chapter/55006.htm):
Be not deceived, God is not mocked. 8 (https://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=55&ch=6&l=8-#x)For what things a man shall sow, those also shall he reap. For he that soweth in his flesh, of the flesh also shall reap corruption. But he that soweth in the spirit, of the spirit shall reap life everlasting. 9 (https://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=55&ch=6&l=9-#x)And in doing good, let us not fail. For in due time we shall reap, not failing.
Again, not bandwagon issues to be decided for the sake of conformity and placating the loudest voices of this world. It's easy to toss around accusations of lack of charity. It's less easy to deal with the substance of what's at stake.
Remember too that we'll reap in due time, i.e., on Our Lord's time, not at our demand.
Given that these are matters of conscience to be decided in private by each American voter according to particular circuмstances in each of the fifty states (setting aside for now real questions as to fraud), might it not be prudent, and charitable too, to refrain both from insisting how others must vote as well as from passing moral judgment on anyone not in lockstep with your opinion?
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I’m not voting. I’m a Catholic who chooses Jesus Christ.
THIS ^^^
Those of you who vote Trump will be formal accomplices in the death of each unborn child destroyed by the IVF process that Trump is promising to fund. Pretending to wash your hands like Pilate (aka hold your nose while pulling the lever) won't change that fact.
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Vance replied: “On the question of the abortion pill, what so many of us have said is that: Look, the Supreme Court made a decision that the American people should have access to that medication. Donald Trump has supported that opinion. I support that opinion. I think it’s important to say that we actually have to have an important conversation in this country about what our abortion policy should be.”
Welker later asked Vance (https://youtu.be/bJjecl1ermY?t=532) about mifepristone, one of the two abortion pills.
“But just to be clear: You support mifepristone being accessible?” Welker pressed him.
“Yes, Kristen, I do,” Vance replied.
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I’m not voting. I’m a Catholic who chooses Jesus Christ.
What a coincidence! I'm a Catholic voting against Kommie Kamela because I serve Jesus Christ.
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might it not be prudent, and charitable too, to refrain both from insisting how others must vote as well as from passing moral judgment on anyone not in lockstep with your opinion?
This is exactly the point I was making to you about your post which appeared to be passing moral judgement on someone not in lockstep with your opinion.
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Those of you who vote Trump will be formal accomplices in the death of each unborn child destroyed by the IVF process that Trump is promising to fund. Pretending to wash your hands like Pilate (aka hold your nose while pulling the lever) won't change that fact.
Those who help the Kommie Kamela Cabal get elected by sitting out the election will live to regret it as:
thousands more babies will be murdered by infanticide and abortion,
thousands more children will be sɛҳuąƖly mutilated,
the Supreme Court will be packed with 6 new hard left revolutionary members,
Puerto Rico will become the 51st state and vote with the revolutionaries,
millions more will flood the border, including terrorists,
WW3 will start,
guns will be confiscated,
even more innocent Catholics and Protestants will be imprisoned for praying in front of baby-killing facilities
and much more.
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Cera, what are your thoughts on the Trump-Vance IVF policy? I haven't seen you chime in on it yet (outside of your anti-Kamala focus).
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Cera, what are your thoughts on the Trump-Vance IVF policy? I haven't seen you chime in on it yet (outside of your anti-Kamala focus).
It's sad that non-Catholics (and truth be told, many Catholics) are unaware of the evil of IVF -- another fruit of the lying educational system and media.
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Those who help the Kommie Kamela Cabal get elected by sitting out the election will live to regret it as:
thousands more babies will be murdered by infanticide and abortion,
thousands more children will be sɛҳuąƖly mutilated,
the Supreme Court will be packed with 6 new hard left revolutionary members,
Puerto Rico will become the 51st state and vote with the revolutionaries,
millions more will flood the border, including terrorists,
WW3 will start,
guns will be confiscated,
even more innocent Catholics and Protestants will be imprisoned for praying in front of baby-killing facilities
and much more.
We had several high-profile mass shootings under Obama and Biden. Nothing changed in federal gun policy. In fact, it may have gotten easier to buy an assault rifle. Any attempt to repeal that dies quickly in Congress.
I could've bought an AR-15 with less effort than it takes to breathe during any administration.
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This is exactly the point I was making to you about your post which appeared to be passing moral judgement on someone not in lockstep with your opinion.
appeared to be...
Please retrace the exchange to his September 2nd reply (https://www.cathinfo.com/politics-and-world-leaders/trump-touts-support-for-ivf-abortion-in-various-circuмstances/msg951062/#msg951062) to my post of April 10th (https://www.cathinfo.com/politics-and-world-leaders/trump-touts-support-for-ivf-abortion-in-various-circuмstances/msg933406/#msg933406) (yes, April).
Our fellow felt the need to go back almost five months to a post that was a re-paste of Trump's own words quoted in a sourced article titled, "Trump says he will not sign a national abortion ban if reelected."
This was his reply (emphasis added):
Your also being totally played... that's why you will always lose because you can't see how your being played. That question is a trick question, no matter how Trump answers it they will use it to divide and conquer, as you just have... thus you are their perfect patsy... as when you walk off the field the enemy claims it and they don't care at all about you, because your not a realistic threat to their wholesale slaughter... only Trump is with his base of pro-lifers... that's what scares them... they will use every trick in the book to throw us and Trump off course... remember, we just need to be moving forward, we can worry about the next battle after we win the current one.
How would you, Cera, answer that? Or is the above no big deal since a blind stampede toward Trump is all that matters, ends justifying the means? (BTW, just like you, I'm still registered in a so-called blue state, done deal no matter what you or I say or do.)
I did not pass moral judgement, nor did I demand compliance with my opinion. I did recommend, in detail, that he inform himself more carefully before alleging such things about other people.
If some other poster were to argue coherently with reference to actual facts and solid principles, ("solid" as in consistent with natural law and Traditional Catholic moral theology) then that person is free to hold a different political opinion. You see, I'm not much impressed by worldly bandwagons.
But if we're to be swamped by the likes of RobertS or whatever his next username will be (who you for some reason seemed to favor (https://www.cathinfo.com/politics-and-world-leaders/trump-touts-support-for-ivf-abortion-in-various-circuмstances/msg951434/#msg951434)) and josh (though he might sort himself out slowly) such that it takes scrolling and scrolling to find anything that isn't hasty sloppy shooting from the hip, well then, such is.
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Not to mention, if he is ignorant about it, he needs to inform himself about it, and he has no business supporting it politically until he researches it. If he's just an ignoramus (as the poster to whom 2V is responding said), why is he running for such high office? A politician has a duty to be well-informed of the policies he supports, let-alone a so-called Catholic politician.
Exactly. He's a 39-year-old Yale-educated lawyer and venture capitalist with ties to Peter Thiel and Mitch McConnell. His wife works in civil litigation and they have three young children. With that education and experience, and in his social circle, as if he really doesn't know exactly what IVF's about.
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THIS ^^^
Those of you who vote Trump will be formal accomplices in the death of each unborn child destroyed by the IVF process that Trump is promising to fund. Pretending to wash your hands like Pilate (aka hold your nose while pulling the lever) won't change that fact.
And when they reinstate Roe v Wade? (among so much more) you think you can wash your hands of that like Pilate? (aka hold your nose while you do nothing to try and prevent the terrible direction your nation is headed down).
No choice is a choice. If I am given some options, I'll go with the best one which has a pro-life base, overturned Roe v Wade among much more... it does not mean I support everything they say or do... if they pay for IVF etc then this is very wrong and I will say so until a better alternative comes along... you are headed in one of two directions, you can do nothing, but don't complain when everything gets much worse all because you didn't get perfection immediately.
God Bless
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It's sad that non-Catholics (and truth be told, many Catholics) are unaware of the evil of IVF -- another fruit of the lying educational system and media.
Exactly...
Another divide and conquer strategy... clever, switch the focus away from abortion and onto IVF that so many people are ignorant of, as they think it's just 'assistance'... actually need to switch the focus back on abortion and it will implicate IVF itself. Just like we switch the focus onto God and then we see that IVF is trying to play God which always ends badly... those born of IVF are not bad people, neither are those who sought it under false pretences and/or ignorance, but those playing God in the lab are sick people and you should never put your life or your loved ones lives in their hands.
God Bless
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IF KAMALA wins??????? lol. Both scenarios have very similar results if either party wins the white house... they are figurehead shabbos goys to make you feel good or bad about whose in there... c'mon, man... wake up
Then you can’t see what’s coming. In fact, you’re a Millennial so you should know better. The earnest prog-GNC Millennials coming in under hαɾɾιs are not going to eventually accept mere titular power like Biden’s people. They will drop the hammer. We’ll absolute see a woke revival and the return of SJWism, only this time I don’t think we’ll see enough of a reaction to it like we had in 2010s because that moment was already bubbling not only under the surface, but even on it, ready to explode. (It’s one of the underlying reasons I was so opposed to the new direction of the SSPX.)
Unfortunately what have we seen from too many in the US and even Trads is either a folksy “just hunker down and accept it,” or Insane Clown Party.
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1: With that high a post count, it's not like you're new around here....
2: Please 'splain that mighty plan (or provide URL'd redirection), since we're so addled. Which dissident/alt-right might that be? If it's a pagan sandbox that doesn't recognize Christ the King, if it's a 5 Solas echo chamber, hey, you can keep it.
This mindset that if it’s not fully “Christ the King” then it’s fully wrong or hell is not what the Church teaches. In fact, the Church condemned this view numerous times. Many of those same people looked for alternatives to Christianity because of its constant failures and betrayals.
Here are a good number of dissident right adjacent Trads, saying exactly what I’ve said:
First, the late Night Errantry (RIP):
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BDubs1776:
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Michael Sebastian: