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Time capsule recovered from base of Gen. Lee statue
« on: December 28, 2021, 01:45:40 PM »
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    RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Conservation experts in Virginia’s capital Tuesday pulled books, money, ammunition, docuмents and other artifacts from a time capsule found in the remnants of a pedestal that once held a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.
    The lead conservator for the Virginia Department of Historic Resources, Kate Ridgway, said the measurements and material of the box, copper, match historical accounts. As the contents inside were unpacked, they appeared to match the description of the 1887 time capsule they had been looking for.
    “It does appear that this is the box we expected,” she told reporters.
    Records maintained by the Library of Virginia suggest that dozens of Richmond residents, organizations and businesses contributed about 60 objects to the capsule, including Confederate memorabilia.

    The box was discovered and carefully extracted from the monument site a day earlier, marking the end of a long search for the elusive capsule. Ridgway said the box, which weighed 36 pounds, was found in water in a little alcove of the pedestal. The contents were damp, but “it’s not soup,” Ridgway said.
    “I think it’s in better shape than we expected,” she said.
    Historical records had led to some speculation that the capsule might contain a rare and historically significant photo of deceased President Abraham Lincoln. One line from a newspaper article listed among the contents a “picture of Lincoln lying in his coffin.”
    On Tuesday, conservators found a printed image from an 1865 issue of Harper’s Weekly in the time capsule that Ridgway said seemed to show a figure grieving over Lincoln’s grave — but did not appear to be the much-anticipated photo.

    Harold Holzer, a historian and Lincoln scholar, had previously told The Associated Press he believed it highly unlikely that the time capsule contained an actual photograph of Lincoln in his coffin because the only known photo of Lincoln in death was taken by photographer Jeremiah Gurney in City Hall in New York on April 24, 1865.
    The contents of the tightly packed box had expanded from the damp and stuck together, making unpacking difficult, so conservators decided to relieve pressure by cutting down one side.
    “Not ideal, but it’s the way it is,” Ridgway said.
    Along with several waterlogged books, pamphlets and newspapers, the box contained an envelope of Confederate money, which conservators carefully separated, and two carved artifacts — a Masonic symbol and a Confederate flag said to have be made from the tree that grew over Gen. Stonewall Jackson’s original grave.
    Conservators also pulled coins and Miniè balls, a type of bullet used in the cινιℓ ωαr, from the box. A bomb squad had checked the capsule Monday, partly to make sure there was no live ammunition.
    Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam ordered the enormous equestrian statue of Lee removed in 2020, amid the global protest movement sparked by the police killing of George Floyd. Litigation pushed back his plans, and the statue was not removed until September, after a court cleared the way.
    Contemporaneous news accounts from the late 1800s detailed the placement of the time capsule in the foundation of the pedestal, and imaging tests conducted earlier this year appeared to confirm its existence. But a lengthy search during the September statue removal came up empty.
    Earlier this month, Northam ordered the pedestal removed as well, and crews working on the project again started to search for the artifact. A time capsule was discovered two weeks ago, generating excitement, but hours of painstaking and ultimately anti-climactic examination suggested that artifact was placed by someone else, perhaps someone involved with the construction.


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    Re: Time capsule recovered from base of Gen. Lee statue
    « Reply #1 on: December 28, 2021, 01:56:25 PM »
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  • It's common knowledge to anyone with knowledge of the cινιℓ ωαr that General Lee was a MUCH better general than Ulysses S. Grant.

    Only an ignorant person with a soundbyte-level knowledge of history would say Grant was better because "Duh, his side won!"

    The fact is that Lee would have certainly won if he had the same manpower and equipment at his disposal. Grant just sent tons of men into the meat grinder, and had plenty to replace them with. The Northern soldiers were well-equipped all had plenty of shoes, etc. since the North had lots of money, factories, etc.

    General Lee did an excellent job with the hand he was dealt. He was a much better general.
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    Re: Time capsule recovered from base of Gen. Lee statue
    « Reply #2 on: December 28, 2021, 02:10:45 PM »
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  • a Masonic symbol 

    Unfortunately, the Masons have been running and guiding this country pretty much from the very beginning.

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    Re: Time capsule recovered from base of Gen. Lee statue
    « Reply #3 on: December 28, 2021, 02:28:40 PM »
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  • Unfortunately, the Masons have been running and guiding this country pretty much from the very beginning.
    The masonic symbol caught my attention as well. Apparently they were involved in erecting the statue in the first place and certainly involved in tearing it down. Maybe sending us a message?
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    Re: Time capsule recovered from base of Gen. Lee statue
    « Reply #4 on: December 28, 2021, 05:08:30 PM »
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  • Unfortunately, the Masons have been running and guiding this country pretty much from the very beginning.
    CSA Brig. Gen. Alfred Pike (who did not actually predict various wars, but wrote the lyrics of 'To arms in Dixie!') was probably the most famous example of a Freemason at war, although he was an indifferent general, leading Indians to victory, then suffering defeat, but no exercising sufficient control, such that Union soldiers were scalped, and always complaining to his superiors.

    There were quite a few Confederate Generals who were Freemasons, maybe Maj. Gen. Pickett was the most famous (the Gettysburg charge). I have no doubt a Union listing would have similar.



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    Re: Time capsule recovered from base of Gen. Lee statue
    « Reply #5 on: December 28, 2021, 05:16:30 PM »
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  • CSA Brig. Gen. Alfred Pike

    Alfred or Albert?
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    Re: Time capsule recovered from base of Gen. Lee statue
    « Reply #6 on: December 28, 2021, 05:25:59 PM »
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  • I think the contents should be sold, and used to purchase McDonalds cheesburgers for black people.  Really black people can get a coke with it.
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    Re: Time capsule recovered from base of Gen. Lee statue
    « Reply #7 on: December 28, 2021, 05:40:13 PM »
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  • I think the contents should be sold, and used to purchase McDonalds cheesburgers for black people.  Really black people can get a coke with it.
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    Re: Time capsule recovered from base of Gen. Lee statue
    « Reply #8 on: December 28, 2021, 06:26:39 PM »
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  • I think the contents should be sold, and used to purchase McDonalds cheesburgers for black people.  Really black people can get a coke with it.









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    Re: Time capsule recovered from base of Gen. Lee statue
    « Reply #9 on: December 29, 2021, 05:33:40 AM »
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    Re: Time capsule recovered from base of Gen. Lee statue
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