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No. I will not stay out of it, nor does my "mixed ethnicity distort or pervert my perspective. [sic]

Of course you don't recognize it.  But you get all emotional and whiny about this topic the same as you do about Pfeifferville, another topic in which you are too emotionally invested to discuss rationally.

We are not talking about Boston, so why bring it up? As further diversion, of course, and as a feeble attempt to attack my writing in regards to the OP.

I'm not trying to divert at all.  Your effeminate whininess regarding this topic simply reminded me how you are by the other one.  Also parallelling both topics is the fact that you are personally invested, biased, and have an agenda.  You are not the least bit subtle in your biases.  That is why you are not credible and have such a low rating on this forum.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

You certainly complain a lot about my supposed effeminate "whininess" and bias. Perhaps the pot is calling the kettle black? It would seem so.

I don't worry about my low rating. I'm not here to be popular, but to speak and fight for the truth.

Also, you once again diverted from the topic at hand, so your first sentence is a lie.

If you agree with Traditional Guy 20, then let's see some evidence that the Church supports these notions of a superior race, that mixed ethnicities are inferior. If there is no support for these ideas, stop supporting them.

No more diversions. It's time to put up or shut up.

Quote from: ManuelChavez

Quote from: OHCA

Quote from: ManuelChavez

Quote from: OHCA

Quote from: ManuelChavez

No. I will not stay out of it, nor does my "mixed ethnicity distort or pervert my perspective. [sic]

Of course you don't recognize it.  But you get all emotional and whiny about this topic the same as you do about Pfeifferville, another topic in which you are too emotionally invested to discuss rationally.

We are not talking about Boston, so why bring it up? As further diversion, of course, and as a feeble attempt to attack my writing in regards to the OP.

I'm not trying to divert at all.  Your effeminate whininess regarding this topic simply reminded me how you are by the other one.  Also parallelling both topics is the fact that you are personally invested, biased, and have an agenda.  You are not the least bit subtle in your biases.  That is why you are not credible and have such a low rating on this forum.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

You certainly complain a lot about my supposed effeminate "whininess" and bias. Perhaps the pot is calling the kettle black? It would seem so.

I don't worry about my low rating. I'm not here to be popular, but to speak and fight for the truth.

Also, you once again diverted from the topic at hand, so your first sentence is a lie.

If you agree with Traditional Guy 20, then let's see some evidence that the Church supports these notions of a superior race, that mixed ethnicities are inferior. If there is no support for these ideas, stop supporting them.

No more diversions. It's time to put up or shut up.

Traditional Guy 20 has already given you some info about the Church's position, and you made a game of 101 Excuses out of it.  Besides, I am not aware of any dogmatic teaching about the matter.  What I do know is that interracial couples have a higher percentage of shack-ups, split-ups, and bastardy.  Also, the offspring of such couples are disadvantaged from the start due to the high stigma associated with it.  That frequently leaves the offspring with the odds stacked that they will end up in a relationship with a thug unless they are unusually high-achievers or from the rare interracial family of good morals and significantly above modest means.

All of those supposed "facts" are from your own imagination, and are designed to support your flawed view of the world.

Traditional Guy 20 offered only one piece of evidence. It was a limited time, in a limited locale, and was not intended to condemn, prohibit, discourage or eliminate mixed ethnicities. That is the truth of the matter, not a game of 101 excuses.

The Church has never been against mixed ethnicities. There is no superior "race". Ethnic mixing is not a primary cause of the problems you listed. Sin is found in all ethnicities, for all are sinners.

Traditional Guy 20 and you are simply biased against mixed ethnicities, and even though the Church blesses mixed ethnicities, you will condemn them by using false pretenses.

Thanks for this post. I usually make a big deal abpout xenophobia like Manuel is, but I don't see this Japanese sentiment as racism or xenophobia, ect. I see them in a mode of self preservation and patriotism. I don't see this attitude as beeing specifically against Catholic teaching if it is promoted within Japan or any other country. There are limits and boundaries as to how far this hsould go, of course. I don't think that two catholics seeking marriage in the Catholic Church and of different ethnic groups should be incarcerated or punished. If, however, they have to pay an extra fee for a marriage license to dicourage this, I see nothing wrong with this. (Keep in mind that I am American and my wife is Brazilian.)

The post should have focused on the Catholic culture among the Japanese. For example, it's a well known fact that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the two most Catholic cities in Japan and probably selected for that reason (unknown martyrs?). In fact, the southern cities had a strong Catholic influence, but the Dutch were always trying to provoke problems between the Japanese Catholics and the emperors. (Those horrible Portuguese sailors that we here about in secular education were not the culprits.) the Dutch were tagged up with the Jews in the slave trade, that even included the Japanese. The Church would step in, and they didn't want that.

I did a short article on this, but today I don't have time to translate it. I have a Japanese EFL student in five minutes. Tchau.

The Shimabara "Rebellion".
http://brasildogmadafe.blogspot.com.br/2016/01/rebeliao-de-shimabara-e-amakusaos.html

Quote from: ManuelChavez

All of those supposed "facts" are from your own imagination, and are designed to support your flawed view of the world.

So you deny that the percentage of bastardy is higher among negroes and mixed-race couples than among pure whites?

I do not have, nor have I seen any conclusive evidence that alludes to your claim. Also, I am not sure who qualifies as "pure white", as Traditional Guy 20 makes a distinction between the French, Italians, Germans, etc.

What constitutes as mixed race is also unclear. If anything, "white" is not a "race", but a variety of similar ethnicities.

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All of those supposed "facts" are from your own imagination, and are designed to support your flawed view of the world.

So you deny that the percentage of bastardy is higher among negroes and mixed-race couples than among pure whites?

I do not have, nor have I seen any conclusive evidence that alludes to your claim.

Do you live in a bubble?

What constitutes as mixed race is also unclear.

There may be some close calls, but most objectionable situations are abundantly clear.

Thanks for this post. I usually make a big deal abpout xenophobia like Manuel is, but I don't see this Japanese sentiment as racism or xenophobia, ect. I see them in a mode of self preservation and patriotism. I don't see this attitude as beeing specifically against Catholic teaching if it is promoted within Japan or any other country. There are limits and boundaries as to how far this hsould go, of course. I don't think that two catholics seeking marriage in the Catholic Church and of different ethnic groups should be incarcerated or punished. If, however, they have to pay an extra fee for a marriage license to dicourage this, I see nothing wrong with this. (Keep in mind that I am American and my wife is Brazilian.)

The post should have focused on the Catholic culture among the Japanese. For example, it's a well known fact that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the two most Catholic cities in Japan and probably selected for that reason (unknown martyrs?). In fact, the southern cities had a strong Catholic influence, but the Dutch were always trying to provoke problems between the Japanese Catholics and the emperors. (Those horrible Portuguese sailors that we here about in secular education were not the culprits.) the Dutch were tagged up with the Jews in the slave trade, that even included the Japanese. The Church would step in, and they didn't want that.

Hey Centro-america.

You have to know the difference between pride and just hate. For instance I am prideful of my Germanic heritage but that does not make me hate other races that show the same cultural ability (like the Japanese for instance). I also feel closer to the Arabs than people of my own race who are Jєωιѕн in their thoughts like the British. I also feel that American Indians, especially the Sioux have a rightful hatred of America since America did take their land from them.

Also Brazil has a percentage of people that are Northern/Western European so the country itself does not mean a race is mixed.

Obviously America chose those two cities to wipe out as many good civilians as possible and as was mentioned afterwards America perverted Japan even further. I am glad you mentioned the Dutch also since there was a special reason that Japan took over the Dutch East Indies (they were tired of the Dutch causing trouble in their region),  and despised Britain (the British ended their alliance with Japan thanks to American and Jєωιѕн pressure which insulted Japan) and America (need I say anything about what America did to Japan?)

Do you live in a bubble?

He knows what we're saying. He's just being a blowhard trying to distract the true nature of this thread, which was to show why Bolshevism and a decadent democracy like America wanted to destroy Japan. Whether he is mestizo or Spanish he obviously has a problem with me talking about mixed races since he has an "inferiority complex."

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The issue I have with this post may be found in the following excerpt:

"...Jєωιѕн hydra which required racial mixing and a culture made for bastards (as in America)."

He holds the following as his own ideal:

5. As has been mentioned Japan had its own racial laws which prohibited Japanese women to intermix with Whites, Blacks and Koreans to preserve the superior Japanese race.

This is what Traditional Guy 20 is peddling as an appropriate, Catholic action; the complete segregation of the "races".

Traditional Guy 20 has made it clear that he devalues those of "mixed" origins, and considers them to be inferior, such as the cross breed between members of the feline family (which is not an appropriate comparison in regards to the scientific classification). This outlook is not Catholic in nature and has no place on a Catholic forum.

The ghettos were not just based on religion but also on race. Jews are a race not just a religion and are racially Semitic from the Middle East. Tell me why the Jews are so willing to racially degrade those in Europe but have no problem keeping their own bloodline pure? I also mentioned that in the Spanish and Portuguese Empires that a strict racial caste was made which put your Europeans on top, mixed races in the upper middle ranks, Indians in the lower middle ranks, and Blacks at the bottom.

The ghettos I mentioned was a segregation of race and not just religion. So yes racial segregation has a long history in the Catholic Church. Your Marxist view of racial and social equality is also not religious at all except in the homeland of Hugo Chavez.

Racial purity is an illusion and a poor attempt to retain a power that one never had, or lost through sin. In the case of the Jews, it can be seen as a pathetic attempt to retain that which was lost two thousand years ago.

Racial segregation is a Protestant ideal, and is not Catholic. The Church has never condemned ethnic mixing. The Ghettos were because of their Jєωιѕн religion. Racial segregation can be seen as a Jєωιѕн ideal, as the Jews strove for a vain and ultimately worthless "purity", as you seem to desire.

I am no Marxist. That is your pitiable attempt to undermine my assessment of your bigoted notions. I am against the notion of racial purity and superiority.