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InfiniteFaith and Nishant2011, I disagree with you both. I was listening to a sermon from an FSSP priest online this morning (I have no access to a TLM), and he said that Santorum and Gingrich didn't take the Catholic stance on war. He stated that JPII and Benedict both condemned the wars with Iraq and other places. Then the priest said that Ron Paul is the only one with a Catholic stance on war.

So Santorum and Gingrich may be Catholic, but their position on war sure isn't. If you want to vote for either one of them, go right ahead. I'm going to support the candidate who's stance on war and other issues is more Catholic than anyone else's, that candidate being Ron Paul.

This is absolutely correct.  This is the main reason I am supporting
Paul.

What do you think about libertarianism?

Not sure what you mean by preventive war.

Going to war in the absence of aggression or immanent threat.

Do you have a source for what you are saying about that and targeted killings?

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-10-27/politics/30327433_1_nuclear-program-iranian-scientists-russian-scientists

How about 101 reasons to vote for Ron Paul?

101 reasons to vote for Ron Paul in 2012

1. He Supports the Constitution. (Wow Go Figure!)
2. He Believes In Religious Freedom.
3. He Has Never Voted For A Tax Increase.
4. He Is Against Public Funding Of Abortion.
5. He Is Against Funding Abortion Abroad.
6. He Is Against The National I.D. or Real I.D. Act.
7. He Believes In The "Just War Theory".
8. He Supports The Rights Of Private Property Owners.
9. He Wants Us Out Of The U.N.
10. He Wants Us To Trade With Nations And Not War With Them.
11. He Is For 2nd Amendment Rights.
12. He Opposes NAIS.
13. He Wants To Shrink The Federal Government, Not Expand It.
14. He Has No Plans To Start A War With Iran Or Anyone Else.
15. He Wants To Bring Our Troops Home.
16. He Does Not Belong To The CFR (Council On Foreign Relations).
17. He Has Not Received Campaign Contributions From Rupert Murdoch
(Like Hillary).
18. His Running Mate Most Likely Will Not Have Shot Anyone In The Face.
19. He Wants To End The I.R.S..
20. He Wants To Cut Spending?? Really, Cut Spending.
21. He Is Against Eminent Domain.
22. He Is Against The NAFTA Superhighway.
23. He Is Against The North American Union Or SPP (It Exists Google It).
24. He Is For The Principle Of Sound Money.
25. He Is Against The Idea of The Amero (Google It).
26. He Is Against The Federal Reserve's Monopoly On Monetary Regulation.
27. He Is Philosophically Opposed To Big Government.
28. He Voted Against The Misnamed Patriot Act That Stripped Us Of Our Rights.
29. He Is For The Bill Of Rights.
30. He Knows The Meaning Of Liberty.
31. He Was 1 Of 4 People That Supported Reagan Early On.
32. He Has Been Married For 50 Years, Which Is An Achievement These Days.
33. He Is Not Married To Hillary.
34. His Supporters Love Him.
35. He Is A Once In A Lifetime Candidate.
36. Because His Record Is Consistent.
37. He Is Against Funding The So-Called War On Drugs (Another Unsuccessful War).
38. He Is Actually Against Funding Many Unsuccessful Federal Programs.
39. He Does Not Want To Ruin Healthcare By Nationalizing It, (LikeHillary, Obama, et al.)
40. He Is A Student Of History.
41. He Votes In Accordance With The Constitution.
42. He Will Not Forcibly Implant Us Or Our Troops With Microchips Or
Like Devices (It's For Your Safety, Of Course).
43. He Is The Only Conservative, In The Traditional Sense, Left.
44. Republicans Love Him Because He Is For Small Government.
45. Democrats Love Him Because He Will End The War For Oil.
46. Libertarians Love Him Because He Wants The Government Out Of Their Business.
47. He Is The Only Electable Republican Candidate.
48. He is Against The Creation Of A Surveillance Society (See London).
49. He Supports Homeschool Rights.
50. He Wants To End The Corporate Welfare System That Is Destroying
Our Government's Credibility.
51. He Tells It Like It Is. He Is Truthful.
52. He Reads.
53. As A Doctor, He Is Informed On The Healthcare Issue.
54. He Has Not Been Hannitized.
55. He Has The Courage To Speak Out Against What Is Wrong.
56. He Will Be Good For The Economy (Freedom Generally Is Good For
The Economy).
57. He Wants Us Out Of The WTO And Like Organizations.
58. The I.R.S. Is Scared Of This Guy.
59. He Is Smart Enough To Prefer Gold Over Paper.
60. He Knows The Term FIAT-CURRENCY and knows what it means.
61. He Wants To Secure Our Borders.
62. He Favors Guarding Our Country Over Policing The World.
63. He Opposed The War In Iraq >From The Beginning.
64. He Authorized The Hunt For Osama Bin Laden.
65. He Believes Local Governments Are Better Suited To Handle Their Own Issues.
66. He Is Willing To Listen And Reason With Others.
67. He Is A Christian Who Believes Christ Was Right When He Said,
"Blessed Are The Peacemakers".
68. He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
69. He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
70. He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
71. He has never taken a government-paid junket.
72. He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
73. He voted against regulating the Internet.
74. He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
75. He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to
the U.S. treasury every year.
76. He Is Against Selective Service Registration.
77. He Is Against A Mandatory Draft.
78. He Is Still Not Married To Hillary.
79. He Has The Support Of The Youth.
80. His Campaign Has People Across The Country Motivated.
81. His Supporters Are Enthusiastic.
82. He Is Educated.
83. He Wants To Apply The Golden Rule In Government (How Radical).
84. He Believes in Freedom Of Speech.
85. He Believes In Individual Rights
86. He Believes Those Rights Come From Our Creator.
87. He Does Not "Move With The Herd".
88. He Has Delivered Over 4,000 Babies And Values Life.
89. He Doesn't Have To "Act The Part" Because He Is What He Is.
90. He Has Not Waffled On The Abortion Issue As Every Other
Republican Candidate.
91. He Has Faced Tremendous Opposition With Dignity.
92. He Is Optimistic
93. He Values The Traditions That Have Kept Us Free.
94. He Understands That Monopolies Are Bad Things.
95. He Understands The Difference Between Individual And Government
Responsibility.
96. He Understands Inflation Is Not Just The Prices Going Up, But
Rather The Value Of Money Going Down.
97. You Will Feel Good About Your Vote For A Change.
98. You Will Know You Have Done The Right Thing.
99. For The First Time In A Long Time, You Will Not Be Voting "For The Least Worst".
100. You Will Help Undo The Damage Done To Our Country Over The Last
Several Decades.
101. He Is Our Last Hope For A Free Nation.

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I am not sure of what conspiracy theories you have been subjecting yourself to. I would say if the Vatican were to support Israel in any kind of conflict...it would be because we are protecting Holy Land. We would not want the Muslims to control this territory, and would much rather have Jews there.

The idea that the Muslims are a bigger threat to us than the Jews is a rather neo-conish view.

At the same time...you are voting for a Protestant...which under your logic...is no different than any Jew or Muslim.

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At the same time...you are voting for a Protestant...which under your logic...is no different than any Jew or Muslim.

Voting for a Novus Ordite who cheated on his wife twice (Gingrich) and one who supports unjust wars (Santorum) is essentially the same. Ron Paul is more Catholic than either Gingrich or Santorum.

I disagree.

Fine, but you don't think Paul's stance on war is more Catholic than the other two's?

There is no such thing as a perfect candidate, but Ron Paul is the only one who will save us from the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.

Ron Paul would be my number 2 pick. Santorum number 1. Either way I would be happy. There is an issue, that I am not going to discuss publicly, that I like both of their stances on, and I think that particular issue is one of the most important issues in our country right now. I do think Santorum's way of handling the issue is best.

Ron Paul is a Libertarian Conservative which I like about him (and I know a lot of you probably don't like that). Santorum is against the Libertarian movement within the Republican Party. If anything, I would much rather have a Catholic who is authortarian in charge of me than any other authoritarian out there. I personally can't stand authoritarians (especially the liberal ones). But because Santorum is Catholic I will be able to deal with it.

I would have to look into this unjust war thing. I am not sure how Santorum is unjust....unless you are saying the war on terror is an unjust war. We were able to subdue Osama Bin Laden, in the war on terror, and I think that the world is a much better place without him.

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Not sure what you mean by preventive war.

Going to war in the absence of aggression or immanent threat.

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Do you have a source for what you are saying about that and targeted killings?

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-10-27/politics/30327433_1_nuclear-program-iranian-scientists-russian-scientists

I agree with this only because I support anything that oppresses Sharia Law.

Plus do you really think that the Iranians are being truthful about their Nuclear program? Many people think they aren't...and because they aren't they should expect their scientists to come up missing and so forth.

There's no issue to me regarding Catholics who support Paul. I only dispute the, in my opinion, false characterization of Santorum. Specifically, I deny he "wouldn't hesitate to go to war with Iran for Israel's sake."

Alaric,

How does Santorum know what "most" Iranians want? Who made him an authority of what is good for Iran and it's people?

Among other things, the very reason he just mentioned. That several of them have taken to the streets in protest, some of whom have been killed. He also does have credibility on this issue because he warned of it long ago, and this situation could have been avoided. Obama only imposed sanctions after Congress forced him to, and after fighting it tooth and nail.

Why are we even to be involved in the middle of Persian politics, isn't that what got us into trouble in Tehran years ago with the Shah, Khomeini and the hostages and all that?

Non-interventionism, if it ever was an option, is at least not an option when a possible nuclear power is concerned. It also would provide the immunity to carry out the kind of proxy attacks Iran has long freely carried out, culminating lately in the attempted assasination of the Saudi ambassador.

Iran is not the former Soviet Union, communism days were numbered from the beginning

What? Weakness in the face of the Soviet Union would have been catastrophic for the world and for both sides. Dictatorships prey on weakness. It was "peace through strength", and it was standing up to the Communist bloc that emboldened those who stood up against the Soviets.

Iran is a theocracy with a fanatical Islamic support base that will not be easily manipulated from within and Amadinejad is not Saddam Hussein or even OBL, he has vast support from surrounding Shiite Muslims as well as a working relationship with the Russia and the Chinese, capitulating Iran will be a tall order.

All the more reason it will take even more strength to deter them from pursuing an aggressive agenda. Especially in the face of a weak president who lacks the strength to do what is necessary, precisely for the sake of peace.

A strong president may have prevented the situation from what it is, but a stupid one that is more concerned about what's good for Israel than the United States will be a real disaster from which we might not recover.

I respectfully disagree. Santorum is not more concerned with what is good for Israel than the United States. He warned of the destabilizing of both Syria and Iran when pretty much everyone looked the other way, and is rather concerned about US interests in the region.