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Offline Belloc

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« on: December 22, 2009, 07:19:10 AM »
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  • Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #1 on: December 22, 2009, 10:57:44 AM »
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    « Reply #2 on: December 22, 2009, 10:58:59 AM »
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  • At Angelqueen, the constitution is synonymous with holy writ and the American revolution was Gods Holy work.

    Offline Belloc

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    « Reply #3 on: December 22, 2009, 11:48:43 AM »
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  • That is why I dod not go to AQ-NeoCaths to use Stevus' term..had a freind that used to get kciked off there for daring to question AMericanism
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    « Reply #4 on: December 25, 2009, 08:36:49 AM »
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    « Reply #5 on: December 25, 2009, 09:42:55 AM »
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  • Freemasonry might not have been all that separate from Protestantism compared to its excommunication from the Catholic Church, and so both versions of Amercian history could be right.

    That being said, I'm not sure I would consider the Protestant legacy in America to be "God's Holy Work".

    One major difference between American traditional culture and European traditional culture is that Americans do not consider poverty to be a normal human condition, and are quick to disenfranchise (secular version of excommunicate) anyone who slips below the current standard of upper-middle-class.  In Europe, an intelligent person who falls on hard times is still respected for his education and skills. Education is not limited to those who have money.

    In the USA, on the other hand, anyone who decides to live below upper-middle-class standards is suspected of every kind of mental, moral, or social disease.

    I blame that on Calvinism, which allows its adherents to subject the poor to a vicious type of Inquisition. The Catholic church, by upholding poverty as a positive virtue, limits its excommunicating activity to the spiritual realm regardless of an individual's economic status.

    The Catholic Church has begun to follow the Calvinists' bad example since VII's new social theology, which is just the Calvinist heresy served up Catholic-style.    :sad:

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    « Reply #6 on: December 25, 2009, 10:05:55 AM »
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    I dont want to praise the "reformers" but Freemasonary is very different (and to my mind a lot more sinister) than Protestantsim.


    Quite right.  While the Protestants at least profess that Christ alone is God, the Freemasons not only say that all paths are open to heaven, but the ones in the know explicitly worship Lucifer.  Not to mention that the ones at the bottom know very well that they are initiated into a secret society.

    "For every one that doth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, that his works may not be reproved."

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    The Catholic Church has begun to follow the Calvinists' bad example since VII's new social theology, which is just the Calvinist heresy served up Catholic-style.    :sad:


    No.  The Catholic Church does not follow heretics - it is a sacrilege to say otherwise.  The sect that you belong to that has filled your head with all sorts of lies and kept you ignorant of such well known dogmas as the Beatific Vision is NOT the Catholic Church.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 26, 2009, 02:56:45 PM »
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  • Freemasonry is more sinister than Protestantism in that it is doubtful any Protestant would think to infiltrate the Catholic Church and transform it into a counterfeit, sending the real Catholic Church into the catacombs.

    But in the end it's all connected, as littlerose has shown, again belying her seeming naivete.  Elizabeth Tudor's Protestant/Anglican war against the Catholics was very deliberate, and she and her cronies used code, spycraft and networks much like Masonry, but in this case known as  Rosicrucianism -- both are the simply Satanism, the "mystery of iniquity" -- to chip away at Catholic world-domination.  The American Revolution is much the same; though pretending to be a Revolution against England, it was really a revolution against French and Spanish Catholic domination of the continent.  At a local Freemasonic lodge near me in Redondo Beach they were recently flying the Union Jack and American flag together, and that of course the real truth.  

    America is really a giant, expanded, horrific version of Elizabethan England. It literally is "The New Atlantis" as described by Elizabethan toady Francis Bacon.  That whole era is like a microcosm of what's happening today.  Shakespeare, who I believe was some kind of occult magician channeling from demons, described our current era in The Tempest, which is about the devil ( Prospero ) lording it over his blighted wasteland, which is the culmination of the Elizabethan dream -- a dream entirely directed against the Catholic Church and against God.  

    The King James Bible often uses the word PROSPER as in "Prospero," suggesting the theory that Shakespeare had something to do with it.  "And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."  But this is probably suggesting a later time of Anti-Christ.  Anyway, what I'm showing is that there is an occult side to Protestantism as well as Masonry, and that the two work together even if they think they're opposed.  Of course, not every Protestant is aware of being part of some grand design as Elizabeth most likely was.

    Speaking of Atlantis, if I am right about the Apocalypse, and America is Mystery Babylon -- along with the Americanist pseudo-Church that has now taken over the world -- both will apparently sink into the sea, just like Atlantis!  Perhaps metaphorically in the case of Vatican II, but literally for America itself?

    "And a mighty angel took up a stone, as it were a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying: With such violence as this shall Babylon, that great city, be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS


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    « Reply #8 on: December 26, 2009, 04:34:19 PM »
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    Speaking of Atlantis, if I am right about the Apocalypse, and America is Mystery Babylon -- along with the Americanist pseudo-Church that has now taken over the world -- both will apparently sink into the sea, just like Atlantis! Perhaps metaphorically in the case of Vatican II, but literally for America itself?



    Well, it does appear America is sinking into the sea if the global-warming continues as it apparently is in island countries....

    Oh, BTW: I do not belong to any strange "sect". While people have a strong healthy debate in these boards over the quesiton of the Pope, VII, and heresy, and we each come to some personal decision as to how far we must go as Traditional Catholics to protect our souls from the apostasy of the modern Vatican,  I think it is safe for all of us,even the ones with all the acronyms, to call ourselves "Catholic"... the Vatican has in fact promoted the social gospel that is highly calvinistic and that is a faqct of life in every Catholic church today. Traditionalists have to address it, but we are not less Catholic and the Vatican that is apostasized is still Catholic in its damaged form.

    If CM is right, that every parish and chapel is not at all Catholic anymore, meaning the actual priests and laity who are mostly just following the Vatican, then what is the point of continuing to address heresy in the Church? Just leave and start over.  You can't claim that it is and is not the Church at the same time. It either IS the Church and is in need of winning back from heresy, or the Church is truly gone.

    There is no new Vatican, alternative Vatican that I know of.  Perhaps CM is ahead of everyone on that question? (FYI: this is being said with sarcasm. I would not seriously suggest a separate new Papacy.  :thinking: )  

    (Well, if any of us are left after CM has finished excommunicating everyone)   :heretic:

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    « Reply #9 on: December 29, 2009, 03:18:56 AM »
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    If CM is right, that every parish and chapel is not at all Catholic anymore, meaning the actual priests and laity who are mostly just following the Vatican, then what is the point of continuing to address heresy in the Church? Just leave and start over.  You can't claim that it is and is not the Church at the same time. It either IS the Church and is in need of winning back from heresy, or the Church is truly gone.


    It's worse than just the priests following the Vatican.  It's apparently all or most of the traditionalists and sedevacantists too.  

    As far as the laity goes, God expects less from them.  I don't judge how God judges people in Novus Ordo or SSPX or anything like that.  To believe that these men are Popes is a sort of implied insult to the Church, but at the same time, when the Archangel is weighing souls on the old scales, some pity might be shown to people who are just trying to be obedient, as they have been trained.  For a Catholic to say someone isn't the Pope who appears to the world like a Pope is almost like a taboo, even when it's true.


    I disagree with CM on baptism of desire being heresy, but we agree that there are no orthodox priests, at least none that I'm aware of.  If NFP is an error rather than a heresy, then European priests might be in better shape -- I would consider going to a European priest who is unsure or tepid about NFP, even if he doesn't deny it outright.  But in America they all believe you can be saved in false religions, as well as in NFP.

    I explained this in other threads today but the way I see it is that the Church is like Sleeping Beauty.  It is like the Church is in a poisoned sleep.  It has a hierarchy, but they are all in heresy.  But as soon as the clergy begin waking up, kissed by the prince who perhaps is the real Pope to come, they will find that they have valid Holy Orders.

    This scenario is the only way I can keep my mind together.  Otherwise I'd have to either believe that heresies aren't heresies, and just give in and go to chapel with those who I know for sure are wrong, or else I'd have to say that the Church has failed.  

    No, what appears to be happening is that the Church has gone into the tomb like Christ Himself on Holy Saturday.  This fits with certain prophecies, like that of Nicholas of Flue:

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    "The Church will sink still deeper until she will at last seem to be extinguished, and the succession of Peter and the other Apostles to have expired. After that she will be victoriously exalted in the sight of all doubters."


    I can elaborate even more, if you wish.  I'm not a prophet, I'm just using the Apocalypse, other prophecies, and my own sense of things.  Here is what may happen:

    *Nations taper off into further economic meltdown

    *Minor Chastisement, taken by some to be of God, and others to be "2012"-style natural disasters

    *After the Minor Chastisement, those who say it was God's punishment will be seized by religious fervor.  They will demand an end to all errors and any priest who teaches something like NFP will find himself unpopular, to say the least

    *The priests who survive the Chastisement will have to accede to public demand for the truth, which they will no longer be able to stop ( and yes, I think many of the clergy of today are deliberately suppressing truth )

    * A holy Pope will be set on the Throne.  

    * As long as the public demands it, the Catholic faith will prevail.  But before long, people will get bored and fall away from the faith once again

    * Antichrist

    I have another strange theory that our time is worse in some ways than the time of Antichrist, not in terms of violence, savagery and menace, but in terms of error.  It is so bad that the Bible hardly warns us against it.  If there is a Great Apostasy, why even bother putting people on their guard?  If people could somehow avoid the Apostasy, then it wouldn't be an Apostasy, would it?  

    But I don't believe the Second Coming can happen until humanity is irremediably evil -- and I don't feel that has happened yet.  It seems to me people of today are apathetic, torpid and frozen more than evil.  Hence the Chastisement, rousing them out of their slumber.  But for God to end the world, my clumsy guess ( I cannot fathom God's mind ) is that He doesn't want to do this until He has given us every chance to redeem ourselves.

    Again, all this is just idle speculation.  I have no special insight from God that I know of.  But we are called upon to know the signs of the times, and there is a certain symmetry to history.  If America is Mystery Babylon, it is because it has such striking parallels to the original Babylon.  The once-oppressed Jews are now the oppressors of the new chosen people, the Catholics.  It's as if the Jews have become Nebuchadnezzar.  

    Why "Mystery Babylon"?  The "mystery" is that no one talks about what America really is -- the truth is hushed-up, and no one wants to hear it.  America is a mystery in that its true monstrous nature was for centuries unrevealed, ignored, or covered up.  And unlike in the original, non-mysterious Babylon, when the chosen people knew they were in exile and lamented their fate, the chosen people here, the Catholics, LIKE THEIR SLAVERY, and don't even see it as slavery.  

    They don't weep by the waters of the river of Babylon, longing for a return to a true Catholic nation.  They don't weep at all -- they watch football and barbecue.  

    Read Apocalypse 18.  It is apparent that it deals with the time period that we're heading towards.  What other nation could be the one referred to here?  "Because all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication; and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her; and the merchants of the earth have been made rich by the power of her delicacies."  The fornication is RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, separation of Church and state -- and all countries have followed our lead into "liberty," that is the Judeo-Masonic New World Order, which, for a while at least, was very profitable.  Ironically the Apocalypse speaks of "kings" when the New World Order set out to eliminate them -- but "kings" here would refer to presidents and so on.  

    People speak about the New World Order as if it's always in the future when IT'S IN THE PAST AND IT IS ABOUT TO FALL ANY DAY NOW.  It's over.  You can feel it in the air.  People think the economy will recover but it's just going to die a slow, morbid death -- what would it recover to?  What drives the world today?  The initial thrill of humanity's rebellion against God is gone.  You can sense the death throes of neo-paganism, the joyless repetitiousness of it, there's a feeling of nihilism in the air, like life and death don't matter, everything is absurd, cartoonish and pointless...  What else can happen now except the return of God and the Church in full force, the triumph of Mary?

    I'm telling you, the smallest spark could light one of the biggest fires ever seen.  Everything could change overnight, just as the prophecies say.  No longer would people resist the truth; they wouldn't even be able to if they tried.  All the work of Freemasonry and the Jews would just crumble like dead leaves; their magical force would be spent, gone.  And what is even more amazing is that Anti-Christ after this STILL would somehow find a way to ruin everything.  Here is Satan no longer working through secret societies but almost embodying himself as a man -- though the Anti-Christ is not strictly Satan.

    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS

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    « Reply #10 on: December 29, 2009, 04:13:59 AM »
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  • Raoul,

    I agree with most of what you speculate on concerning where we are headed and why. I have long thought that one of the meanings of mystery babylon was the United States and that the sixth age or the age of Mary's triumph had to occur before mankind fell into absolute evil and the antichrist came. We will see many profound things occur this year and most of them will prbably be physically ugly for most of us Americans. I truly beleive that the economy will continue to implode at a much faster rate and we may see the outbreak of more wars and natural disasters. You are correct in that the new world order is in the past and is on its last legs. The new world order started its revolutionary phase with the death of King Louis 16th of France who I beleive will be named a saint in the coming age of Mary.

    Andy


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    « Reply #11 on: December 29, 2009, 08:32:31 AM »
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