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Belloc · « **Reply #30 on:** January 07, 2011, 08:24:16 AM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Obama and the Dems are being aggressive and implementing their satanic agenda as much as democracy wil allow. I've been advocating this type of aggressive take-over for our side for years, but I've sadly learned the GOP is Democrat-Lite and does nothing but conserve liberal gains. They are hopeless. Our party choices are dumb and dumber. We're toast.

the talk by Vennari, he notes Fr. Fahey, who stated that Faith and action go hand-in-hand,hence the TLM is great, but no Catholic Social Order, good luck with that one...Fahey was fan of Cardinal Pie...

Belloc · « **Reply #31 on:** January 07, 2011, 08:31:39 AM »

"So long as Christ does not reign over nations, His influence over individuals remains superficial and precarious. If it is true that the work of the apostolate consists in the conversion of individuals and that nations as such do not go to heaven, but souls, one by one, we must not forget, nevertheless, that the individual member of society lives under the never-ceasing influence of his environment, in which, if we may not say that he is submerged, he is, at least, deeply plunged., If the environment is non-Catholic, it prevents him from embracing the faith or, if he has the faith, it tends to root out of his heart every vestige of belief. If we imagine Catholic social institutions, with Our Lord no longer living in the hearts of the individual members of society, then religion has there become merely a displeasing signboard which will soon be torn down. But, on the other hand, try to convert individuals without Catholicizing the social institutions and your work is without stability. The structure you erect in the morning will be torn down by others in the evening. is not the strategy of the enemies of God there to teach us a lesson? They want to destroy the faith in the hearts of the individuals, it is true, but they direct still more vigorous efforts to the elimination of religion from social institutions. Even one defeat of God in this domain means the weakening, if not the ruin, of the faith in the souls of many.

The Kingship of Christ by Cardinal Pie of Poitiers

factor · « **Reply #32 on:** January 07, 2011, 10:29:12 PM »

catholic sumari....what is the point of your question?

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #33 on:** January 08, 2011, 06:20:00 PM »

Quote from: factor

catholic sumari....what is the point of your question?

My point is that your statement (which strangely seems to resemble a copy and paste) is uninformed.

What makes you, as a Catholic (Im assuming you're Catholic since your posting here), think that this secular form of republican government is healthy and constructive for the re-establishment of Catholic society? All our actions are to be carried out in accordance with the laws of God and the Church. Do you believe that the US Constitution is in harmony with Catholicism? If so, explain why.

For the past 2000 years, the past governments of Europe and Asia have been promoters of Catholicism, even in times of corruption. The US never has, as a matter of fact, it has done the exact opposite throughout it's history. How does the US Republic compare to, say, that of 16th century Spain?

factor · « **Reply #34 on:** January 09, 2011, 08:38:22 PM »

first off the republic of the united states of america was founded as a republican form of government. not a monarchy, not an oligarchy or anything else.
in governments of forms other than this the appication of law
was passed directly from the rulers to the ruled.
this would mean and often did,whatever was ruled became law.
before the revolution, the laws of this nation applied to all, with the exception of the "papists." from what i understand, it was the inaction of catherine the great of russia, that forced the protestant government to cut a deal with the catholics for them to enter into the revolution.
the declaration of independence states "we are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights" this phrase in itself signifies that human rights come from god, not man.
the wording of the constitution denotes power from the people to those that goverrn. unfortunately over the years many of those who have been put in office have thought more of how they can control us and not that, which is of benefit to the citizens. thankl you for asking. have a good year. (ali)

Belloc · « **Reply #35 on:** January 10, 2011, 07:09:34 AM »

God is used as a generic term by pagans, Muslims, and occultics (freemasons,etc).

The men that were the Founders were not orthodox Prots nor Catholics, most were deists and a majority were freemasons.

ALso, part of the deception is to thrown in "Christian" sounding phrases, Franklin was good at that and even occ purposly used it for his own purposes.....

Dont be fooled by the lingo. Symbols in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ reveal and conceal.

You state "the wording of the constitution denotes power from the people to those that goverrn"

there in is the problem, power does NOT come from the people, it comes from Christ, the one and only true God.....

you m ay want to spend some months surfing through the AMericanist thread and reading, listening, watching,etc......even a Prot like Chris Pinto has good points in many of his docuмentaries (though, sadly, he takes a Vatican is behind all bad things approach many times). Riddles in stone is a good example of a good project he has done....

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #36 on:** January 10, 2011, 02:07:59 PM »

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first off the republic of the united states of america was founded as a republican form of government. not a monarchy, not an oligarchy or anything else.
in governments of forms other than this the appication of law
was passed directly from the rulers to the ruled.
this would mean and often did,whatever was ruled became law.

And what do you find wrong with this? How different is that concept weather the lawmakers are few or many, and weather or not they are chosen by the people?

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the declaration of independence states "we are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights" this phrase in itself signifies that human rights come from god, not man.

It is not any recognition of any entitlements bestowed on mankind by the God of the Catholic Church, or any protestant sect for that matter. It is a relativist declaration that put's any of it's followers at liberty to associate the nation's principles to the deity of their choice, be that Christ, Buddha, Shiva, Baal, Odin etc. This is how Muslims can say that the US Republic is in harmony with Sharia law. In the case of the Founding Father's (being members of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ) the "creator" that they have in mind is satan, who is the god of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. No one can be Catholic and accept, let alone embrace, a republic's constitution that puts Christ the King on level with devil gods. The religious liberty patronized by the Constitution is what has resulted in the de-christianization of the US by acting as an umbrella for all false religions, that openly oppose Christ, to congregate and propagate their doctrines. My ancestors were better of under a monarchy with Catholicism as the official and absolute state religion because they didnt have any mosques or ѕуηαgσgυє in their towns.

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the wording of the constitution denotes power from the people to those that goverrn.

Factor, do you have children? If so, do you derive your authority and rights over them based on their consent?

Belloc · « **Reply #37 on:** January 10, 2011, 02:30:25 PM »

Heaven is a Hiearchy-the Church is too, why not then civil Govt???

and how to ahve a Govt of opposing factions?

Is not copious amounts of writings clear-we are to have Catholic State

Belloc · « **Reply #38 on:** January 10, 2011, 02:36:15 PM »

Quote from: factor

reason, strict constructionism and common sense will again prevail. have a good year. (ali)

most Founders were huge fans of "reason" and common sense-relying on themselves....a product of the Prot revolt. Then, the natural occurnece of Enlightenment, Deism, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ,etc...all errors flowing from Luther, at least in part......

None based on solid Catholic principles......

factor · « **Reply #39 on:** January 13, 2011, 11:20:41 AM »

i am having a dificult time in making sense out of your writings. sorry for my stupidity.
i am curious tho, nations of europe professed catholic ties, so long as it benefited the rulers. (my opinion)
italy had been a nation of city states united later on by a guy named garibaldi (sp,?) travel was so dangerous for catholic bishops, that they finally received some assurances from the city of trent for their council. (source vatican library)
france's revolution was more anti-catholic than admitted. remember napoleon kidnapped the pope and put him in exile.
germany gave birth to martin luther and most of the bishops and laitey followed.
england gave birth to henry viii who villified catholicism and in later years had cromwell invading ireland and enslaving catholics to work the rum plantations in the carribbean as england could not get any african slaves in that the dutch and the portugese controlled the trade and refused to do business with the english.
of the scandinavian provinces, they were the ones who kicked out the puritains for their religious practices. these were those who landed on plymouth rock on the mayflower.
you are quite correct, from what i understand, concerning the masonic influences in the colonies. (before 1776) but as time went on, those influences did wane somewhat.
remember, it was posted earlier, the papists (catholics) were not originally considered. have a good year. (ali)

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #40 on:** January 14, 2011, 12:20:22 AM »

Quote from: factor

i am having a dificult time in making sense out of your writings. sorry for my stupidity.
i am curious tho, nations of europe professed catholic ties, so long as it benefited the rulers. (my opinion)
italy had been a nation of city states united later on by a guy named garibaldi (sp,?) travel was so dangerous for catholic bishops, that they finally received some assurances from the city of trent for their council. (source vatican library)
france's revolution was more anti-catholic than admitted. remember napoleon kidnapped the pope and put him in exile.
germany gave birth to martin luther and most of the bishops and laitey followed.
england gave birth to henry viii who villified catholicism and in later years had cromwell invading ireland and enslaving catholics to work the rum plantations in the carribbean as england could not get any african slaves in that the dutch and the portugese controlled the trade and refused to do business with the english.

I wasn't suggesting that you were stupid. I only said that you were uninformed (there's a big difference).

Considering what you replied, Im not too sure we're both on the same page. But unless Im missing something, I would recommend that you look deeper and further back and look at a much longer time span of European political and religious history, especially that of particular nations.

Belloc · « **Reply #41 on:** January 14, 2011, 07:19:48 AM »

Europe convulsed w/Liberalism, but the Faith was still a large factor in most ordinary peoples lives during those times Factor notes.....also, the seeds were there..

I would dispute the statement he made about most laity and priests following Luther, no proof of that......

Either way, the nations of Europe were founded on Catholic principles, the USA, not and actually, counter-Catholic...sad fact, but true......

now, do we moan/groan? act like nothing is wrong? no to both, we do something about it.....Catholic Action........

factor · « **Reply #42 on:** January 14, 2011, 12:08:02 PM »

belloc,,,i like that part about "moan and groan."
we sit here sparring with one-another, more or less, preaching to the choir, what i would like to hear is what
others would suggest in taking back the church from those
whom have not done it much good. suggestions??? have a good year. (ali)

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #43 on:** January 14, 2011, 04:26:02 PM »

Quote from: factor

belloc,,,i like that part about "moan and groan."
we sit here sparring with one-another, more or less, preaching to the choir, what i would like to hear is what
others would suggest in taking back the church from those
whom have not done it much good. suggestions??? have a good year. (ali)

Take back the Church, or take back the world FOR the Church? The Church has been and always will be secure, because Christ gave His Word that it would never fall, regardless of how many of His enemies penetrated it's defenses so far as the Throne-room. There is almost nothing we can do about the crisis in the Church. It is all in the hands of God, Who is chastising us for our sins and purifying us with chaos. All we can do in the meantime is pray and ask God to deliver us and convert our brothers and sisters running down the Modernist path to hell.

Likewise, the struggle for stability in the social sector is nearly impossible. It also, like all things, is in the hands of God. We chose to crown ourselves our own rulers to decide what the law of the land would allow according to our own fancy and selfish desires, regardless of weather or not what we chose was healthy or sustainable. And because we chose to be slaves to our passions we have become slaves of those who promise us satisfaction. No one truly wants to shoulder the responsibility of dealing with the consequences following their participation in the political processes of the nation (which all are indiscriminately free to partake in), BUT everyone wants entitlements and benefits, of which they have no guarantee of obtaining except by the word of the politician who they unhesitatingly give power. The fact is that in this system, you get exactly who and what you said you want. Your wish comes true, even if you dont know what you're wishing for. The remedy is not simple, nor appealing to American sentiments or egos, and is in itself is a chastisement, yet God will not administer it until the nation falls to it's knees.

factor · « **Reply #44 on:** January 16, 2011, 01:43:17 PM »

your comment speaks for its.
do nothing but pray to god that he sends someone
that will.
a typical.
have a good year. (ali)
fin.