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Offline Geremia

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« on: May 08, 2024, 02:43:08 PM »
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  • Who were the nαzι bishops shown at 00:23 and 00:32 in the video below?


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    Re: nαzι bishops
    « Reply #1 on: May 08, 2024, 02:54:11 PM »
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  • I am not aware of this docuмentary, but it looks like it may have been produced by Jєωs. There were quite a few Bishops and priests who supported the nαzιs.  Bishop Alois Hudal. comes to mind as one who supported the Third Reich and also helped facilitate the escape of some nαzιs through the so-called ratlines.   


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    Re: nαzι bishops
    « Reply #2 on: May 08, 2024, 02:57:04 PM »
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  • this docuмentary […] looks like it may have been produced by Jєωs.
    Neocons, at least, and with a false, ecuмeniacal ecclesiology.
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    Re: nαzι bishops
    « Reply #3 on: May 08, 2024, 07:33:08 PM »
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  • I’ve attempted to identify these Bishops for the last couple of hours but I have been unsuccessful. I don’t believe any were Bishop Alois Hudal since he was a rather large man.  I think he was well over six feet.

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    Re: nαzι bishops
    « Reply #4 on: May 13, 2024, 04:04:18 PM »
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  • DevSolar on History StackExchange:
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    The picture on top I found at the h0Ɩ0cαųst Encyclopedia.
    The man to the left is Albanus Schachleiter, a Benedictine who got comfortable with Hitler pretty early, and was actually suspended for that.
    The man to the right is Ludwig Müller, a Lutheran and leading member of the German Christians, a movement that "aligned towards the antisemitic, racist, and Führerprinzip ideological principles of nαzιsm with the goal to align German Protestantism as a whole towards those principles."
    The picture on the bottom I found on Traces of Evil.
    The man at the left border is Franz Rudolf Bornewasser, Roman Catholic bishop of Trier.
    The man to the right of him is Ludwig Sebastian, Roman Catholic bishop of Speyer.
    Both of these are said to have remained carefully critical of the nαzι regime.
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    Re: nαzι bishops
    « Reply #5 on: May 13, 2024, 07:50:23 PM »
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  • There was all sorts of clerical support for the Third Reich, but one of the main problems with uncovering this is the blatant rewriting of Church history by the Novus Ordo, which seemingly many traditionalists are willing to go along with when it comes to this controversy.

    Report from November 24, 1933, on the words of Bishop Berning to the Catholics in Hamburg, Germany, after the national referendum of November 12, 1933:

    "In the new German state, German Catholics joyfully support the Führer, whom the German people unanimously affirmed when called upon last Sunday to defend unity and unanimity in Germany. For German Catholics, true allegiance to the Führer and responsibility for the well-being of the state is a patriotic and religious duty. Catholics bring valuable cultural assets to the building of the Volksgemeinschaft [Volk community]: a strong optimism and belief in progress, a lively sense of community, a warm love for German-ness, for blood and soil, for our language and traditions, for the formation and destiny of the German Volk."

    Source: Klemens-August Recker. "Wem Wollt Ihr Glauben?": Bischof Berning im Dritten Reich ["Whom Do You Want to Believe?": Bishop Berning in the Third Reich] (1998), p.69, citing from Nachrichtenblatt für die Kath. Gemeinden von Hamburg, Altona und Umgebung [Newsletter for the Catholic Communities of Hamburg, Altona, and Surroundings], November 24, 1933.


    And another statement from a different bishop:

    "I consider it an evident duty of every German, for the sake of the solidarity and unity of the German people, to answer with a cheerful 'Yes' to the Führer's question."

    - Bishop Birchall, Frederick T. (19 August 1934). "nαzιs See Betrayal in Hostile Ballots in Today's Vote". New York Times. p. 1.


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    Re: nαzι bishops
    « Reply #6 on: May 14, 2024, 06:50:55 AM »
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  • There was all sorts of clerical support for the Third Reich, but one of the main problems with uncovering this is the blatant rewriting of Church history by the Novus Ordo, which seemingly many traditionalists are willing to go along with when it comes to this controversy.

    Report from November 24, 1933, on the words of Bishop Berning to the Catholics in Hamburg, Germany, after the national referendum of November 12, 1933:

    "In the new German state, German Catholics joyfully support the Führer, whom the German people unanimously affirmed when called upon last Sunday to defend unity and unanimity in Germany. For German Catholics, true allegiance to the Führer and responsibility for the well-being of the state is a patriotic and religious duty. Catholics bring valuable cultural assets to the building of the Volksgemeinschaft [Volk community]: a strong optimism and belief in progress, a lively sense of community, a warm love for German-ness, for blood and soil, for our language and traditions, for the formation and destiny of the German Volk."

    Source: Klemens-August Recker. "Wem Wollt Ihr Glauben?": Bischof Berning im Dritten Reich ["Whom Do You Want to Believe?": Bishop Berning in the Third Reich] (1998), p.69, citing from Nachrichtenblatt für die Kath. Gemeinden von Hamburg, Altona und Umgebung [Newsletter for the Catholic Communities of Hamburg, Altona, and Surroundings], November 24, 1933.


    And another statement from a different bishop:

    "I consider it an evident duty of every German, for the sake of the solidarity and unity of the German people, to answer with a cheerful 'Yes' to the Führer's question."

    - Bishop Birchall, Frederick T. (19 August 1934). "nαzιs See Betrayal in Hostile Ballots in Today's Vote". New York Times. p. 1.
    Great research, there. I think a lot of people just can't seem to get it that the Fuhrer did not condone "race" over God. He mentions this more than once, and was pretty firm on it. In his early days he had detractors and those who didn't agree with him. Not all the NSDAP were on board with Hitler on his convictions. But..... a war needed to be fought.... That's the bottom line. He knew he needed a cohesive group of men willing to fight and die. Happens to be he had an absolute UNIT for a military as well. 

    He had viable criticisms of the hierarchy of the Church of that time. I mean, look at the "church" now... 
    Do people think it's a weird coincidence that Israel, middle east (and germany) genocides, Vat 2, sɛҳuąƖ revolution, birth control en masse, etc. all formulated right after ww2? But yea, Hitler was a Jєω, who was controlled op.. lol