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Offline Mark 79

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Is it Boeing or…
« on: March 11, 2024, 01:33:04 PM »
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  • … DEI/DIE/affirmative discrimination? Yet another one… https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/50-people-injured-after-boeing-777-hit-mid-flight-technical-event

    50 People Injured After Boeing 777 Hit With Mid-Flight "Technical Event"

    see also:

    Passengers Boycott Boeing "Death Traps" With Use Of Kayak Plane Filter
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/passengers-boycott-boeing-death-traps-use-kayak-plane-filter


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Is it Boeing or…
    « Reply #1 on: March 11, 2024, 01:34:45 PM »
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  • Some are claiming it was "turbulence" but that would hardly qualify as a "technical event".


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    Re: Is it Boeing or…
    « Reply #2 on: March 11, 2024, 01:37:38 PM »
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  • Some are claiming it was "turbulence" but that would hardly qualify as a "technical event".

    Even if we write-off that one… engine fire, dropped landing gear wheel, door blow out…




    "Sabotage, Shoddy Maintenance?": Questions Swirl As Aviation Incidents Spike This Week
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sabotage-shoddy-maintenance-questions-swirl-aviation-incidents-spike-week

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    ZeroHedge (Tuesday): "Plane Was Nosediving": United Airlines Boeing 737 Engine Erupts In Flames Over Texas

    CBS News (Thursday): American Air jet clipped Frontier Jet on Miami International Airport tarmac

    ZeroHedge (Friday): United's Boeing 737 Max Jet Veers Off Runway In Houston, Marking Third Incident In Week

    ZeroHedge (Friday): Tire Separates From Boeing 777, Crushes Cars In San Francisco Parking

    ABC7 News (Friday): SFO-MEX United flight makes emergency landing at LAX due to hydraulic failure: officials



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    Re: Is it Boeing or…
    « Reply #3 on: March 11, 2024, 01:59:05 PM »
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  • All I know is I thank God that the 2 Boeing planes I was on this past Friday didn't have issues.  
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Is it Boeing or…
    « Reply #4 on: March 11, 2024, 04:16:31 PM »
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  • All I know is I thank God that the 2 Boeing planes I was on this past Friday didn't have issues. 
    In January I flew out of Haneda Tokyo (on an Airbus 320) only a couple of hours before the fatal crash there. When I arrived at my destination I heard about the crash and quickly called my family to let them know I wasn't on the involved flight. Phew!

    That crash was the fault of the Japanese Coast Guard Crew, hence no DEI lowered standards. The Pilot-in-Command just screwed up big time. The PIC acknowledged ground control's command to hold short of the runway, but immediately pulled into position on the runway anyway… right under a landing passenger craft.

    Going back in September… on Boeing 777-300.


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    Re: Is it Boeing or…
    « Reply #5 on: March 11, 2024, 05:48:02 PM »
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  • Interesting (to me anyway). In my experience most "in-country" Asian air travel is on Airbus, but, not yet having made reservations for the in-country segments, I just checked and was rather surprised to find that almost all JAL in-country segments are on Boeing 737-800 aircraft (not the same as the ill-reputed 737-MAX8 and 737-MAX9 disaster craft). For a few segments JAL does fly the dreaded 737-MAX8.

    Even without the Boeing consideration I've been waffling about whether or not to rely exclusively on rail travel in-country.  With last Fall's 70% fare increase in the JR RailPass, the cost is about the same for rail and air (a 14-day pass is about $800 even before the "supplements"). Air is faster, but not that much faster for short hops. For example, I can walk 100-200 meters to the Tokyo monorail or Shinjuku station and be on a train and on the way long before getting to either of Tokyo's airports and high-scrutiny security. Rail is more scenic. Air reservations can be made easily and many months in advance. Air also accrues frequent flyer benefits. The JR RailPass can be used on many city subways and skytrains, but not on the non-JR trains. The JR RailPass online purchase from outside Japan is somewhat convoluted and reservations can only be made 3 months in advance.

    It's a bit whacky. You could buy a voucher for a JR RailPass today, but it wouldn't be delivered by Global Mail until a month before your designated validity date. Meanwhile you'd be making reservations 3 months before your intended travel. Then, you can only pickup your pass and actual tickets (Don't lose 'em!) in Japan at designated JR offices (e.g., in Haneda Airport near the Tokyo Monorail entrance). Also, if you want to use the fastest shinkansen trains, you have to separately purchase "supplemental" tickets.

    There are many good things to be said about Japan, but their intricate rules and processes are not among those good things. When I was in school there many years ago I was advised to avoid speaking perfect Japanese because the moment that you do, you are expected to know and adhere to all the rules (even gift giving) and are no longer due the indulgence and forgiveness that gai-jin otherwise enjoy.

    Just for laughs, here are the Tokyo, Sapporo, and Kyoto transportation maps. To figure out from the maps whether or not your train is JR or private is a real "Find Waldo" task. Part of the adventure! "Take half as much clothing and twice as much money," was my Grandmother's advice and rule for travel. I still miss her.









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    Re: Is it Boeing or…
    « Reply #6 on: March 11, 2024, 06:22:03 PM »
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    Re: Is it Boeing or…
    « Reply #7 on: March 11, 2024, 06:29:51 PM »
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  • Just a coincidence: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US


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    Boeing whistleblower found dead in US
    2 hours ago
    By Theo Leggett,Business correspondent, BBC News

    A former Boeing employee known for raising concerns about the firm's production standards has been found dead in the US.

    John Barnett had worked for Boeing for 32 years, until his retirement in 2017.

    In the days before his death, he had been giving evidence in a whistleblower lawsuit against the company.

    Boeing said it was saddened to hear of Mr Barnett's passing. The Charleston County coroner confirmed his death to the BBC on Monday.
    It said the 62-year-old had died from a "self-inflicted" wound on 9 March and police were investigating.

    Mr Barnett had worked for the US plane giant for 32 years, until his retirement in 2017 on health grounds.

    From 2010, he worked as a quality manager at the North Charleston plant making the 787 Dreamliner, a state-of-the-art airliner used mainly on long-haul routes.

    In 2019, Mr Barnett told the BBC that under-pressure workers had been deliberately fitting sub-standard parts to aircraft on the production line.

    He also said he had uncovered serious problems with oxygen systems, which could mean one in four breathing masks would not work in an emergency.

    He said soon after starting work in South Carolina he had become concerned that the push to get new aircraft built meant the assembly process was rushed and safety was compromised, something the company denied.

    John Barnett was a former quality control manager at Boeing

    He later told the BBC that workers had failed to follow procedures intended to track components through the factory, allowing defective components to go missing.

    He said in some cases, sub-standard parts had even been removed from scrap bins and fitted to planes that were being built to prevent delays on the production line.

    He also claimed that tests on emergency oxygen systems due to be fitted to the 787 showed a failure rate of 25%, meaning that one in four could fail to deploy in a real-life emergency.

    Mr Barnett said he had alerted managers to his concerns, but no action had been taken.

    Boeing denied his assertions. However, a 2017 review by the US regulator, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), did uphold some of Mr Barnett's concerns.

    It established that the location of at least 53 "non-conforming" parts in the factory was unknown, and that they were considered lost. Boeing was ordered to take remedial action.

    On the oxygen cylinders issue, the company said that in 2017 it had "identified some oxygen bottles received from the supplier that were not deploying properly". But it denied that any of them were actually fitted on aircraft.

    After retiring, he embarked on a long-running legal action against the company.

    He accused it of denigrating his character and hampering his career because of the issues he pointed out - charges rejected by Boeing.
    At the time of his death, Mr Barnett had been in Charleston for legal interviews linked to that case.

    Last week, he gave a formal deposition in which he was questioned by Boeing's lawyers, before being cross-examined by his own counsel.
    He had been due to undergo further questioning on Saturday. When he did not appear, enquiries were made at his hotel.

    He was subsequently found dead in his truck in the hotel car park.
    Speaking to the BBC, his lawyer described his death as "tragic".

    In a statement Boeing said: "We are saddened by Mr. Barnett's passing, and our thoughts are with his family and friends."

    His death comes at a time when production standards at both Boeing and its key supplier Spirit Aerosystems are under intense scrutiny.
    This follows an incident in early January when an unused emergency exit door blew off a brand-new Boeing 737 Max shortly after take-off from Portland International Airport.


    A preliminary report from the US National Transportation Safety Board suggested that four key bolts, designed to hold the door securely in place, were not fitted.

    Last week, the FAA said a six-week audit of the company had found "multiple instances where the company allegedly failed to comply with manufacturing quality control requirements".

    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus


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    Re: Is it Boeing or…
    « Reply #8 on: March 11, 2024, 06:53:54 PM »
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  • It's both.  Boeing is very invested in DEI.

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    Re: Is it Boeing or…
    « Reply #9 on: March 11, 2024, 09:45:57 PM »
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  • Just a coincidence: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

    Indeed… a cohencidence.



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    a "self-inflicted" wound

    Yeah, like in the scene in The Shooter: https://youtu.be/XbpKJIQXEuY?si=L07JzXF5jJKRuXyQ

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Is it Boeing or…
    « Reply #10 on: March 12, 2024, 07:05:50 AM »
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  • Indeed… a cohencidence.

    At least it wasn't the Arkansas-style (two shotgun blasts to the back of the head with a weapon that has a 30-inch barrel) "ѕυιcιdє".


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    Re: Is it Boeing or…
    « Reply #11 on: March 12, 2024, 09:23:52 AM »
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  • If it's Boeing ... I'm not going. :laugh1:

    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Is it Boeing or…
    « Reply #12 on: March 12, 2024, 11:04:35 AM »
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  • I couldn't find any non-stop Trans-Pacific flights from the West Coast that didn't use Boeing craft. Hawaiian Air uses Airbus, but at twice the airfare and with a stop in Honolulu.

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    Re: Is it Boeing or…
    « Reply #13 on: March 12, 2024, 11:46:32 AM »
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  • If it's Boeing ... I'm not going. :laugh1:
    :jester:
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Is it Boeing or…
    « Reply #14 on: March 12, 2024, 03:13:24 PM »
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  • That's a nice turn of a phrase, so…