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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: How Dare Iranians....
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2020, 08:57:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on January 06, 2020, 08:40:01 PM
    This is just a variant of the guilt-by-association fallacy
    As a friend often opined, "It matters what is right, not who is right."
    I think that Matthew is pointing out that the vast majority of decent and honest people stand with Trump and the vast majority of degenerates, perverts, Satanists, and criminals literally hate him. There is a reason for that and it’s not too hard to figure out. If we are wrong about him, it’s not because we have bad intentions, it would be because we were fooled. I care very little about being on the winning side, I always strive to be on the right side.
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #16 on: January 06, 2020, 09:04:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on January 06, 2020, 08:57:20 PM
    I care very little about being on the winning side, I always strive to be on the right side.

    I think this is true about virtually everyone on CathInfo.

    If you're looking to be on the winning or popular side, you need to leave now. Trad Catholics are vastly outnumbered.

    Serious Trad Catholics are outnumbered by lax, worldly and lukewarm Trad Catholics (most CI members fit in here)

    Trad Catholics are far outnumbered by Novus Ordo and "cultural", liberal, losing-the-faith, and other Catholics In Name Only.

    Even "Catholics" are outnumbered by the atheists, heathens, heretics, pagans, and infidels in the world.
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #17 on: January 06, 2020, 09:10:27 PM »
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    • None of the Trump supporters on CI were all excited about JP2, Obama, or any other secular "messiah" figure. We don't get caught up in just any frenzy or mania. We are all after the truth here.

    In fact, if you look at my past posts, you will find that I didn't believe in the two-party system at all before 2016. I learned about the JQ back when I was a teenager. In the years leading up to 2016, I even told people I wasn't a Republican or a Democrat. I had completely given up hope on politics and "the system". Including in November 2016. Trump has pleasantly surprised me, and given me reason to hope for a short reprieve, and a chance for a few more years to work on preparedness of all kinds.
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #18 on: January 06, 2020, 09:21:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 06, 2020, 09:10:27 PM
    None of the Trump supporters on CI were all excited about JP2, Obama, or any other secular "messiah" figure. We don't get caught up in just any frenzy or mania. We are all after the truth here.

    In fact, if you look at my past posts, you will find that I didn't believe in the two-party system at all before 2016. I learned about the JQ back when I was a teenager. In the years leading up to 2016, I even told people I wasn't a Republican or a Democrat. I had completely given up hope on politics and "the system". Including in November 2016. Trump has pleasantly surprised me, and given me reason to hope for a short reprieve, and a chance for a few more years to work on preparedness of all kinds.
    That’s the key, he gave us hope in a system that seemed too broken to fix. Frankly, I’m fairly certain that it’s not even able to be fixed at this point, but there’s always hope.
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #19 on: January 06, 2020, 10:01:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 06, 2020, 09:10:27 PM
    Trump has pleasantly surprised me, and given me reason to hope for a short reprieve, and a chance for a few more years to work on preparedness of all kinds.

    I'd rather have Trump than witch Hillary.  That said, can we not be honest enough to give the greater credit to Putin than to Trump in having kept us out of a third world war up till now?  If we end up with WW III due to the asinine assassination of General Soleimani which if nothing else, and despite any assertions to the contrary, has already placed us in a state of de facto war with Iran, perhaps we can look up from the temporal hell of ashes and gasp, "But at least Trump had good intentions."
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #20 on: January 06, 2020, 10:02:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 06, 2020, 08:25:19 AM
    My pet peeve is when conservatives stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the Deep State, Schumer, Schiff, Peℓσѕι, Rachel Maddow, Ellen Degeneres, the Clintons, etc. and bash Trump.

    My pet peeve is false dichotomies presented to defend Trump.  By the way, if anyone has kept us out of WW III up to now so you can buy yourself a little more time it's much more to the credit of Putin than Trump.

    I imagine you have made your opinion clear on this somewhere on CathInfo, but for the record where would you place Trump's assassination of General Soleimani on a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being very bad and 10 being very good?

    Also, if Iran were to αssαssιnαtҽ Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Miley at the Toronto Airport would you categorize that as terrorism and if not why not?
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #21 on: January 06, 2020, 10:19:17 PM »
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    • I think that one of the most despicable and moronic aspects of the assassination was that the US had invited Gen. Soleimani to assist brokering peace in Iraq.

    Despicable for the immorality of the lies and murder (John 8:44); Moronic because the precedent teaches the world to never trust the USA. Trump stupidly squandered the last vestige of USA trustworthiness.
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #22 on: January 06, 2020, 10:45:09 PM »
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    • America should not go to war with Iran now. That's what the enemy wants. The endgame is to get nuclear powers like America and Russia fighting each other. Since Russia is currently allied with Iran, if the situation escalates, it could all go bad quickly.

    I think President Trump knows this, and I don't believe he will go for open war. Selected airstrikes on specific targets, maybe. But no more.

    America should forge a new Christian alliance with Christian Russia for this new decade. Russia has nothing at all in common with Islamist countries like Iran. President Raegan did a great job in coming to the aid and moral support of the Catholic Church and Catholic Poland in particular that led to the Solidarity movement and the downfall of Communism in Eastern Europe and ultimately Russia. But it's been downhill since then mostly in the West.

    The West at large, because it has itself gone agnostic secularist, has not been able to credibly advance the argument that, while Christianity and Communism most certainly are mortal enemies and incompatible, America and Russia need not be.

    First and foremost, like President Reagan astutely did in breaking up the Soviet Union, to break up Islamist terrorism around the globe, break up the uneasy alliance Russia has been forced to forge with them. After that, Islamism can be conquered.

    President Trump is the right man for this job as well in the long run. He has often spoke of wanting to work together with Russia against Islamism. Unjust wars are useless and wrong. Islamism has to be fought in other ways.
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #23 on: January 06, 2020, 10:54:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: XavierSem on January 06, 2020, 10:45:09 PM
    America should not go to war with Iran now. That's what the enemy wants. The endgame is to get nuclear powers like America and Russia fighting each other. Since Russia is currently allied with Iran, if the situation escalates, it could all go bad quickly.

    I think President Trump knows this, and I don't believe he will go for open war. Selected airstrikes on specific targets, maybe. But no more.

    America should forge a new Christian alliance with Christian Russia for this new decade. Russia has nothing at all in common with Islamist countries like Iran. President Raegan did a great job in coming to the aid and moral support of the Catholic Church and Catholic Poland in particular that led to the Solidarity movement and the downfall of Communism in Eastern Europe and ultimately Russia. But it's been downhill since then mostly in the West.

    The West at large, because it has itself gone agnostic secularist, has not been able to credibly advance the argument that, while Christianity and Communism most certainly are mortal enemies and incompatible, America and Russia need not be.

    First and foremost, like President Reagan astutely did in breaking up the Soviet Union, to break up Islamist terrorism around the globe, break up the uneasy alliance Russia has been forced to forge with them. After that, Islamism can be conquered.

    President Trump is the right man for this job as well in the long run. He has often spoke of wanting to work together with Russia against Islamism. Unjust wars are useless and wrong. Islamism has to be fought in other ways.
    Are you not aware of the list of  countries the U.S had to bomb from PNAC, Iran is the last country on the list, what the jews want the jews get.....this anti semitism law jew boy Trump just passed is most disturbing....I'm no Trump hater as among my friends I'm looked as  pro Trump  because I've had to argue and give him credit whenever he made common sense remarks speaking against the psycho left... but at the end of the day he's a tool for the heebs
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #24 on: January 06, 2020, 10:57:21 PM »
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    • Good interview with E Michael Jones to anyone interested:

    The New Iranian Crisis - E. Michael Jones' Analysis
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #25 on: January 07, 2020, 12:10:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: klasG4e on January 06, 2020, 10:02:10 PM
    I imagine you have made your opinion clear on this somewhere on CathInfo, but for the record where would you place Trump's assassination of General Soleimani on a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being very bad and 10 being very good?

    Also, if Iran were to αssαssιnαtҽ Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Miley at the Toronto Airport would you categorize that as terrorism and if not why not?

    1. I don't have enough information about what Trump knew (military-supplied intel), Soleimani himself and what he was up to (and what he's done in the past) to make a judgment on the matter worth more than intestinal gas from a horse.

    All I have is my level of trust in Trump, based on his first 3 years in office. So far, he hasn't gotten us into any new wars, and seems to be honestly interested in "bringing all the troops home" and ending the "endless wars" in the Middle East. The Media and those who watch the Media got extremely freaked out not too long ago about North Korea too. Has everyone forgotten that? How did that turn out?

    So I'd be surprised if this leads to war -- unless the Deep State absolutely forces it to happen. They still have quite a bit of power. One can't go so far as to surrender or let one's troops be slaughtered, just to avoid war...

    2. See #1.

    I will just say this: if even 1/10th what everyone is saying is true (that the General help organize the killing of many hundreds of American soldiers in Iraq) he was on the field of battle, and killing an enemy in battle is justified. It's not like he was slain under the flag of truce. I think it highly likely he was involved with the Deep State which is in Iran as well as many other countries (who do you think John Kerry keeps visiting?), and was about to create some "events" that would be bad for America (read: dead Americans) AND would make life/re-election more difficult for Trump. In other words, Trump may have been virtually forced into his course of action.
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #26 on: January 07, 2020, 12:23:07 AM »
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    • The USA is now at war, de-facto and de-jure, with BOTH Iraq and Iran (UPDATED 6X)
    http://thesaker.is/the-usa-is-now-at-war-de-facto-and-de-jure-with-both-iraq-and-iran/
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #27 on: January 07, 2020, 03:14:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 07, 2020, 12:10:03 AM
    I will just say this: if even 1/10th what everyone is saying is true (that the General help organize the killing of many hundreds of American soldiers in Iraq) he was on the field of battle, and killing an enemy in battle is justified. It's not like he was slain under the flag of truce. I think it highly likely he was involved with the Deep State which is in Iran as well as many other countries (who do you think John Kerry keeps visiting?), and was about to create some "events" that would be bad for America (read: dead Americans) AND would make life/re-election more difficult for Trump. In other words, Trump may have been virtually forced into his course of action.

    A number of Tulsi Gabbard's views including her one on abortion (for which I could NEVER vote for her), are abhorrent.  That said, I agree -- and most strongly -- with her on what she states here in answering Matthew, uh er I mean Martha.


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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #28 on: January 07, 2020, 04:16:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 07, 2020, 12:10:03 AM
    1. I don't have enough information about what Trump knew (military-supplied intel), Soleimani himself and what he was up to (and what he's done in the past) to make a judgment on the matter worth more than intestinal gas from a horse.

    All I have is my level of trust in Trump, based on his first 3 years in office. So far, he hasn't gotten us into any new wars, and seems to be honestly interested in "bringing all the troops home" and ending the "endless wars" in the Middle East. The Media and those who watch the Media got extremely freaked out not too long ago about North Korea too. Has everyone forgotten that? How did that turn out?

    So I'd be surprised if this leads to war -- unless the Deep State absolutely forces it to happen. They still have quite a bit of power. One can't go so far as to surrender or let one's troops be slaughtered, just to avoid war...

    2. See #1.

    I will just say this: if even 1/10th what everyone is saying is true (that the General help organize the killing of many hundreds of American soldiers in Iraq) he was on the field of battle, and killing an enemy in battle is justified. It's not like he was slain under the flag of truce. I think it highly likely he was involved with the Deep State which is in Iran as well as many other countries (who do you think John Kerry keeps visiting?), and was about to create some "events" that would be bad for America (read: dead Americans) AND would make life/re-election more difficult for Trump. In other words, Trump may have been virtually forced into his course of action.
    My thoughts exactly.
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