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How Dare Iranians....
« on: January 06, 2020, 03:11:09 AM »
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  • locate their country right in the middle of 35 U.S. military bases!

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/01/david-stockman/the-donald-is-now-america-firsts-own-assassin/


    How the Donald Assassinated America First
    By David Stockman
    January 6, 2020

    By the twisted logic of Imperial Washington you could say the Iranians were asking for it. After all, they had the nerve to locate their country right in the middle of 35 U.S. military bases!

    Then again, your saner angels may ask: What in the hell is Washington doing with a massive military footprint in a region and in a string of backwater countries that have virtually no bearing on homeland security, safety and liberty?

    Djibouti? Oman? Kyrgyzstan? Uzbekistan? Afghanistan? Bahrain? Kuwait? And, yes, Iraq and Iran?

    In fact, Washington destroyed the former for no good reason and based on egregious Big Lies about Saddam’s nonexistent WMDs and sheltering of al-Qaeda. That turned Iraq into a failed state hellhole pulsating with sectarian frictions and anti-American grievances – even as the rump state of Iraq centered in Baghdad fell under the control of Iran-friendly Shiite politicians and militias.

    At the same time, Iran itself is zero threat to the American homeland. It’s tiny $350 billion GDP amounts to 6 days of US annual output and its $20 billion defense budget is equivalent to what the Pentagon wastes every 8 days.

    Militarily, it has no blue water navy, an air force that could double as a cold war museum and a short and medium range missile force that is self-evidently dedicated to defense and deterrence in the region, not an attack on the USA way over on the yonder side of the deep blue seas.

    Its 300 or so active aircraft, for example, include 175 US F-4, F-5, F-14 and sundry transports, helicopters and trainers purchased by the Shah during the 1970s and kept together since the revolution with bailing wire and bubble gum. It also fields 60 or so Soviet vintage MiG-29s and Sukhoi Su attack aircraft – plus a few dozen European and Chinese planes of mostly ancient design.



    Likewise, even its most advanced medium range cruise missile (Soumar) can barely get to Rome, Italy, to say nothing of Rome, Georgia.
    As is evident from the yellow, green, red and black circles on the map below, which circles outline each missile’s striking range, the overwhelming bulk of Iran’s missile force has a range of 500 miles or less. These missiles are capable of hitting targets in the immediate vicinity of the Persian Gulf, or roughly the same area which encompasses the 35 military bases designated by American flags in the graphic above.

    Stated differently, Iran’s extremely modest military capacities are not remotely about an offensive threat to the American homeland. They are overwhelmingly about defending itself in its own neighborhood, where Washington has been intervening and occupying with massive firepower and hostile intent for decades.

    Therein, of course, lies a hint. More than 13 years after Saddam’s last hurrah on a Baghdad gallows, the US still has upwards of 30,000 troops and contractors in the immediate vicinity of the Persian Gulf. But why?

    It can’t be owing to ISIS. The Islamic State was never much more than a no count salient of dusty, woebegone towns and villages on the Upper Euphrates straddling Western Iraq and northeastern Syria that was destined to collapse on its own barbaric madness anyway; and which was essentially dispatched by the Russian air force, Assad’s military and the Shiite militia forces organized by the dead man himself, Major General Soleimani.

    Likewise, it should be obvious by now that it’s not the oil, either. At the moment the US is producing nearly 13 million barrels per day and is the world’s leading oil producer – well ahead of Saudi Arabia and Russia; and is now actually a net exporter of crude for the first time in three-quarters of a century.

    Besides, the Fifth Fleet has never been the solution to oil security. The cure for high prices is high prices – as the great US shale oil and Canadian heavy oil booms so cogently demonstrate, among others.

    And the route to global oil industry stability is peaceful commerce because virtually every regime – regardless of politics and ideology – needs all the oil revenue it can muster to fund its own rule and keep its population reasonably pacified.

    Surely, there is no better case for the latter than that of Iran itself – with an economy burdened by decades of war, sanctions and mis-rule and an 80-million population that aspires to a western standard of living.

    So left to its own devices, Tehran would produce 5 million barrels per day from its abundant reserves. That’s barely one-tenth of its present meager output, which is owing to Washington’s vicious sanctions against any and all customers for its oil and potential investors in modernizing and expanding it production capacity.

    So if it’s not ISIS or oil, exactly why does Washington maintain the circle of 35 bases displayed in the graphic above and keep thousands of US troops and other personnel in harms’ way in the region?

    Or more to the moment, why has the Donald been unable to bring the forces home as he has so often proclaimed to be his policy?

    The answer, of course, is that the foreign policy apparatus of the US government is controlled by anti-Iran neocons and regime changers. We are still in Syria not to fight ISIS, which is gone, but to block Iran’s land route to its allies in Syria and Lebanon (Hezbollah); and we remain in Iraq solely to use it as a base for clandestine US and Israeli attacks on these allies and proxy forces.

    These Washington instigated or conducted attacks on Iranian allies, in fact, are why there was growing pressure in the Iraqi government to demand that the US finally leave. These pressures will now become overwhelming in light of this week’s US bombing of five PMF camps (Popular Mobilization Forces) which are Shiite militias that have been integrated into the Iraqi army and which are under the command of its prime minister, and last night’s assassination of their Deputy Commander along with Soleimani.

    To be sure, Iran’s choice of allies has nothing to do with America’s homeland security: None of the sovereign governments of Lebanon (where Hezbollah is the leading political party) or Syria or even Iraq (which is an ostensible US ally) have protested these confession (i.e. Shiite) based arrangements and the aid and benefits which flow from them.

    That’s because the so-called Shiite crescent is a bogeyman invented by Bibi Netanyahu and is the excuse for his hysterical anti-Iranian foreign policy. The latter is not even designed to enhance Israel’s own security, but to vilify a “far enemy” that can keep his rightwing coalition glued together and himself in power.

    Likewise, the US military-industrial complex’s greed and appetite for power and pelf is so voracious that it will embrace any and all missions anywhere on the planet – no matter how stupid or futile or immoral, as per the case of 19-years in Afghanistan – that keep the budgetary loot flowing.

    Accordingly, the Washington apparatus conspires to keep the 35 Mideast bases in place and to trigger actions like last night’s insane assassination of Iran’s foremost military leader in order to reify the threat and to periodically stoke tensions and counterattacks that keep missions alive and the forces deployed.

    Indeed, we are hard-pressed to imagine a more poignant case of the pot calling the kettle black than Washington’s claim that it had to retaliate owing to actual and expected Iranian “aggression”.

    For crying out loud, Washington has been demonizing, ostracizing and economically attacking Iran for decades, and is now literally attempting to destroy its economy and society through is oil sanctions and its “maximum pressure” campaign that aims to bring the fate of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi to its top leaders in Tehran.

    So do ya think a regime under a veritable existential threat might gravitate toward retaliation as an alternative to extinction?

    And we needs be clear about the matter of striking back in self defense. Washington’s current sanctions campaign against Iran is so aggressive and brutal that it constitutes war by any other name.

    a of land, sea and air-based high-tech lethality and than declare outright economic war on it with a barely-disguised aim of regime change, it must and will fight back however it can.

    That’s why Secretary of State Pompeo’s statement justifying the Donald’s act of naked aggression is so hideous.

    Washington is putting the entire nation of Iran at risk in the very place where God or evolution, as the case may be, formed the peninsula on which it resides; and it is doing so without any Iranian provocation against the security of the American homeland whatsoever.

    But this neocon knucklehead has the gall to insist that when it comes to the actual anti-Iranian belligerents (i.e. U.S. forces) Washington has bivouacked where they have no business being at all, that not a hair on their head should come to harm.

    That’s Imperial arrogance of a kind rarely seen in a world history which is littered with exactly that.

    “I can’t talk too much about the nature of the threats. But the American people should know that the President’s decision to remove Soleimani from the battlefield saved American lives,” Pompeo told CNN.

    The IRGC general had been “actively plotting” in the region to “take big action, as he described it, that would have put hundreds of lives at risk,” according to Pompeo.

    Undoubtedly, things will now spiral out of control because the Iranian regime must and will retaliate for Soleimani’s death. Indeed, by vaporizing the latter, the Donald has now also vaporized any chance of actually implementing the “America First” policy upon which he ran, and which was the principal basis for his freakish elevation to the Oval Office.

    The fact is, the only decent thing Obama did on the foreign policy front was the Iran Nuke Deal. Under the latter, Iran gave up a nuclear weapons capability it never had or wanted for the return of billions of escrowed dollars (which belong to Tehran in the first place), while putting itself in a straight-jacket of international inspections and controls that even Houdini could not have broken free from.

    But the Donald wantonly shit-canned this arrangement, not because Iran violated either the letter or spirit of the deal, but because the neocons – led by his bubble-headed son-in-law and Bibi Netanyahu errand boy, Jared Kushner – blatantly lied to him about its alleged defects.

    Indeed, the resulting Washington pivot to the current “maximum pressure” aggression against Iran is fast becoming the Empire most demented and shameful hour – even as it crystalizes like rarely before the difference between homeland defense and imperial aggression.

    Under the former, not one American serviceman, contractor or civilian official would be in harms’ way because the ring of hostile bases surrounding Iran would not exist nor would Washington be waging economic warfare on what would otherwise be a prosperous 5 million barrel per day oil trade with the world.

    Only empires put their citizens needlessly in harms’ way and thereby trap their leader’s into a cycle of violence which feeds upon itself.

    The Donald is now yet another American president ensnared in the kind of tit-for-tat trap that is the modus operandi of Empire First.

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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #1 on: January 06, 2020, 07:55:52 AM »
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  • Stupid article.

    How many of those 35 bases did Trump establish there? I'm pretty sure the answer is ZERO. Trump inherited the "Imperialist America", he didn't build this.

    Trump is not King or Emperor, who can sit on his throne one fine day and issue an edict that all 35 existing bases around Iran will be immediately closed and the troops returned home.

    Trump has only been in office for 3 years. A compelling argument could be made that "Rome wasn't built in a day", and you can't undo 30+ years of Deep State entrenchment and Neocon plans in a mere 3 years. A compelling argument could be made that Trump is moving as fast as he can.

    Last, but not least, we are STILL not at war, even as of January 6, 2020, going into year 4 of Trump's presidency. All the Leftists, RINOs, Deep State Republicans, Never Trumpers, Democrats, Media, etc. are WRONG so far about Trump being dangerous, incompetent, ready to start a war, etc. He has had many chances thus far to start a war, and hasn't done so. If anything, he is defusing many tinder-kegs around the world circa 2016 such as North Korea and Syria. He also isn't attacking Russia as some kind of Cold War enemy -- unlike many in the Media especially the Leftists.
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #2 on: January 06, 2020, 08:13:42 AM »
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  • Stupid article.

    How many of those 35 bases did Trump establish there? I'm pretty sure the answer is ZERO. Trump inherited the "Imperialist America", he didn't build this.

    Trump is not King or Emperor, who can sit on his throne one fine day and issue an edict that all 35 existing bases around Iran will be immediately closed and the troops returned home.

    Trump has only been in office for 3 years. A compelling argument could be made that "Rome wasn't built in a day", and you can't undo 30+ years of Deep State entrenchment and Neocon plans in a mere 3 years. A compelling argument could be made that Trump is moving as fast as he can.

    Last, but not least, we are STILL not at war, even as of January 6, 2020, going into year 4 of Trump's presidency. All the Leftists, RINOs, Deep State Republicans, Never Trumpers, Democrats, Media, etc. are WRONG so far about Trump being dangerous, incompetent, ready to start a war, etc. He has had many chances thus far to start a war, and hasn't done so. If anything, he is defusing many tinder-kegs around the world circa 2016 such as North Korea and Syria. He also isn't attacking Russia as some kind of Cold War enemy -- unlike many in the Media especially the Leftists.

    A stupid simplistic response to the article.  I hope you managed to read past the headline.

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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #3 on: January 06, 2020, 08:20:47 AM »
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  • Stupid article.

    How many of those 35 bases did Trump establish there? I'm pretty sure the answer is ZERO. Trump inherited the "Imperialist America", he didn't build this.

    Trump is not King or Emperor, who can sit on his throne one fine day and issue an edict that all 35 existing bases around Iran will be immediately closed and the troops returned home.

    Trump has only been in office for 3 years. A compelling argument could be made that "Rome wasn't built in a day", and you can't undo 30+ years of Deep State entrenchment and Neocon plans in a mere 3 years. A compelling argument could be made that Trump is moving as fast as he can.

    Last, but not least, we are STILL not at war, even as of January 6, 2020, going into year 4 of Trump's presidency. All the Leftists, RINOs, Deep State Republicans, Never Trumpers, Democrats, Media, etc. are WRONG so far about Trump being dangerous, incompetent, ready to start a war, etc. He has had many chances thus far to start a war, and hasn't done so. If anything, he is defusing many tinder-kegs around the world circa 2016 such as North Korea and Syria. He also isn't attacking Russia as some kind of Cold War enemy -- unlike many in the Media especially the Leftists.
    My thoughts exactly. It seems to me that people are so impatient and expect Trump to wave a magic wand and all of our problems will be solved. The moral problems in this country, and world, will only be solved by a return to God and His Church. Trump can help, mostly indirectly, by appointing morally upright members of the judicial branch of our government. 
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #4 on: January 06, 2020, 08:25:19 AM »
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  • A stupid simplistic response to the article.  I hope you managed to read past the headline.

    An article is stupid if the whole premise and foundation is flawed. I should have stopped reading at the headline, but instead I gave it the benefit of the doubt and skimmed the whole article. My initial impression was only proven correct.

    More anti-Trump rubbish. My pet peeve is when conservatives stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the Deep State, Schumer, Schiff, Pelosi, Rachel Maddow, Ellen Degeneres, the Clintons, etc. and bash Trump. Even if Trump is flawed in some ways, there are much bigger fish to fry, no?

    I understand why the sodomites and Leftists are in a panicked frenzy to destroy Trump. I don't understand why conservatives -- even Catholics -- even Trad Catholics -- feel the same urge.

    What do you REALLY hope to accomplish with all your Trump-bashing? I'd love to know. What's the end game? You get all of CathInfo to vote for some no-name third party candidate -- who doesn't get 1/2 of 1% of the popular vote. Then what?

    You pat yourself on the back that you didn't give any quarter to anyone who supported Israel? You were "faithful to your principles"? Meanwhile, you get President Biden or President Buttplug, a hard-180 back to the Deep State (and they WON'T make the same mistake twice -- all the loopholes that allowed Trump to become President will be FIRMLY and COMPLETELY closed forever), many more babies will die by Abortion because all Trump's pro-life actions will be rolled back ASAP -- though that will take years, since Trump did SO MUCH for the pro-life cause! ;)

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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #5 on: January 06, 2020, 08:52:50 AM »
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  • An article is stupid if the whole premise and foundation is flawed. I should have stopped reading at the headline, but instead I gave it the benefit of the doubt and skimmed the whole article. My initial impression was only proven correct.

    More anti-Trump rubbish. My pet peeve is when conservatives stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the Deep State, Schumer, Schiff, Pelosi, Rachel Maddow, Ellen Degeneres, the Clintons, etc. and bash Trump. Even if Trump is flawed in some ways, there are much bigger fish to fry, no?

    I understand why the sodomites and Leftists are in a panicked frenzy to destroy Trump. I don't understand why conservatives -- even Catholics -- even Trad Catholics -- feel the same urge.

    What do you REALLY hope to accomplish with all your Trump-bashing? I'd love to know. What's the end game? You get all of CathInfo to vote for some no-name third party candidate -- who doesn't get 1/2 of 1% of the popular vote. Then what?

    You pat yourself on the back that you didn't give any quarter to anyone who supported Israel? You were "faithful to your principles"? Meanwhile, you get President Biden or President Buttplug, a hard-180 back to the Deep State (and they WON'T make the same mistake twice -- all the loopholes that allowed Trump to become President will be FIRMLY and COMPLETELY closed forever), many more babies will die by Abortion because all Trump's pro-life actions will be rolled back ASAP -- though that will take years, since Trump did SO MUCH for the pro-life cause! ;)
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #6 on: January 06, 2020, 01:29:34 PM »
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  • Regardless of what you think about Trump, Pat Buchanan’s article from a couple of weeks ago is spot on.  Starting a war with Iran is going to end any chance he has of getting re-elected.  He probably knows that.  Maybe after 4 years of absolute hell in the White House he is ready to move on and so he is getting the war started so his successor can deny responsibility.  Just like Obama in Iraq.

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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #7 on: January 06, 2020, 04:11:51 PM »
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    Trump is not King or Emperor, 
    He might as well be. He can start WW III without congressional approval. He can kill anyone, anywhere where in the world at anytime if there designated an "enemy combatant" or " terrorist" of some kind. And this applies to any sitting president, not just Trump. But we've already seen him push the envelope on the War Powers Resolution before in Syria. At least in that reckless fury of missile launching he didn't assassinate a govt official or general in a standing army, including a deputy chairman of a state-sponsored militia, a state that we are supposedly "allied" with. What Trump did here was take the most extreme course of action without  any real council or briefing of congress  before he decided to put us all at risk.

    Even kings and emperors typically  didn't make rash decisions like this alone. 


    I don't know why you keep defending Trump on this issue. You know exactly what's going on here. Israel has been wanting to take Iran down for years, they have tried every angle imaginable to get us to take them out without success. And even Obama, as much as a disaster he was, even he was able to override the jews and get a reasonable agreement with the Iranians. And that was a contract, that mister so-called "businessman" arrogantly tore up in front of the rest of the world, losing any kind of global credibility of our word or bond because his jewish masters couldn't deal with them being treated fairly. So now Donald like a spoiled brat that he is, takes it upon himself to either get us bogged down in another useless zionist war, spending trillions and possibly losing thousands of american servicemen or bomb the crap out ( murder) of a people that have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO AMERICA and destroy another ancient ME nation all because the U.S. lust for their oilfields and the safety of the sh**y little state of demonic israel. that's it. that's what this is all about.

    I'm sorry, but your Trump is not our second coming. But he could just be our own undoing. Let's pray this is not the case.








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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #8 on: January 06, 2020, 04:16:46 PM »
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  • And even Obama, as much as a disaster he was, even he was able to override the jews and get a reasonable agreement with the Iranians. And that was a contract, that mister so-called "businessman" arrogantly tore up in front of the rest of the world
    You have to be joking!  The pallets full of cash, in exchange for "please don't build a bomb"? THAT agreement?  You call that "reasonable"?

    Obama is a Muslim. Muslims are Scourge #2. The Jews are Scourge #1. God has used both of these scourges throughout history to punish the Christian world whenever it apostatizes, just like God used the nations around Israel to punish the Israelites whenever they fell into idolatry back in Old Testament times. I'm not highly fond of EITHER scourge. Both are a chastisement.

    Trump got us out of that AWFUL Deep State-crafted, one-sided "agreement", along with the Paris Accord (calculated to bring America into the Third World under pretext of fighting "Climate Change") and other agreements which are bad for America.
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #9 on: January 06, 2020, 04:24:56 PM »
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  • I'm sorry, but your Trump is not our second coming.

    Strawman much?  I never said anything close to that. All I ever claimed is that Trump represented "as good as we're going to get" and we should all vote for him, in order to maximize how much time we have to prepare ourselves and our families physically, mentally, economically, and spiritually for much worse times ahead.

    For those of you in the Unitive way and totally self-sufficient, living in a bunker with 3 years of stored food, a full ventilation system and tons of equipment for after the chastisement is over -- and tons of experience in every useful post-collapse skill (medical, tactical, communications, mechanics, repair, storage/organization of supplies, food preservation/growing, cooking/processing food, livestock, etc.) -- plus all your children have grown AND died in the odor of sanctity already -- try to have compassion on the rest of us, who aren't there yet :)

    Because speaking for myself, I could use a few more years to get ready.
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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
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  • I'm sorry, but your Trump is not our second coming. But he could just be our own undoing. Let's pray this is not the case.
    Since when did Matthew or any Trump supporter on here suggest this? People use this distraction when they are losing an argument.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #11 on: January 06, 2020, 06:42:21 PM »
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    You have to be joking!  The pallets full of cash, in exchange for "please don't build a bomb"? THAT agreement?  You call that "reasonable"?
    Have you ever read through the JCPOA agreement? I don't know all the particulars, but I don't know exaclty what you mean by "pallets full of cash", I know in accordance with the agreement the UN  and EU would lift or terminate it's sanctions against Iran which was costing them billions and they would also be able to recover frozen assets on overseas banks where they could recover 100 billion more. At any rate, this country was being squeezed economically for years all because they were n't allowed to develop a nuclear program and possibly build a bomb to defend themselves against  their nemesis in Israel, WHO DOES HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS and refuses to adhere to any Non proliferation agreements with the UN or anyone else. so, what do you expect Iran to do? Oh right, the rulez don't apply to the jewz........and the U.S.  is right there to enforce that "rule".

    Speaking of "pallets full of cash", how many boatloads full of cash has America and everyone else given to Israel as opposed to this little agreement with Iran hmmm? I'm sure the Donald has no problem with that.

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    Obama is a Muslim. Muslims are Scourge #2. The Jews are Scourge #1.
    I  believe without Scourge#1  we don't have much of a problem with Scourge #2.

    And Obama was a closet fag and a marxist. But hardly a moo-slihm.

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    God has used both of these scourges throughout history to punish the Christian world whenever it apostatizes, just like God used the nations around Israel to punish the Israelites whenever they fell into idolatry back in Old Testament times. I'm not highly fond of EITHER scourge. Both are a chastisement.
    Maybe. Maybe not. I don't  believe God is using anything against us so much as we are doing it to ourselves. the biggest enemy we have, is the enemy within. And our own ineptness, lack of character and weakness. the problem lies not with muzzies and izzy, it lies with the  Christian "white" West selling out for the shekels. the problem is our leaders are unprincipled and we're too cowardly or at this point, too  fat and lazy to really do anything about it. At any rate, it's our own lack of or corruption of our own  morals than it is murderous muslim madman or the lying, usurping perfidious jew.


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    Trump got us out of that AWFUL Deep State-crafted, one-sided "agreement", along with the Paris Accord (calculated to bring America into the Third World under pretext of fighting "Climate Change") and other agreements which are bad for America.
    I'll disagree on the former and agree with the latter. Even if he did want to back out of it, he could've approached it it a different manner. Other than, Israel bitched, so now all bets are off. The guy is such a hack for the jews, it's kind of embarrassing. ::)






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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #12 on: January 06, 2020, 06:49:15 PM »
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  • Since when did Matthew or any Trump supporter on here suggest this? People use this distraction when they are losing an argument.
    I'm talking about this supposed "Q" thing and Trump's master plan to take the country back.
     
    Back from whom? The same people he's handing it back too?

    No one's losing any argument here. I'm just stating the facts. Trump is bought and sold by the jew.
     
    He's no "savior". End of story.

    But I've already conceded, he's the best we have to work with for now.

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  • …My pet peeve is when conservatives stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the Deep State, Schumer, Schiff, Pelosi, Rachel Maddow, Ellen Degeneres, the Clintons, etc. and bash Trump.…
    This is just a variant of the guilt-by-association fallacy
    As a friend often opined, "It matters what is right, not who is right."

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    Re: How Dare Iranians....
    « Reply #14 on: January 06, 2020, 08:50:45 PM »
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  • This is just a variant of the guilt-by-association fallacy
    As a friend often opined, "It matters what is right, not who is right."

    Except when the DEVIL rubber-stamps your group as "awesome", you're probably not right :)

    My point is that, when you find yourself with such a crowd, there's a good chance you're not right about the WHAT, any more than you chose a good WHO to run with.

    I fail to comprehend how my opinion about anything significant could EVER match up with the opinions of those wicked, degenerate devils. They are at the stage of "good is evil, up is down, truth is error". They want nothing to do with God OR even His natural order. They have twisted their nature 180 degrees to desire satan instead of God. They carry water for Beelzebub. I have ZERO in common with them, except some human DNA, and even then, I'm not exactly related to them.

    Nothing significant they do or believe can be right. They are THAT far gone. Except for breathing oxygen and other natural body functions, I will endeavor to be as different from this crowd as possible.

    I certainly won't take their lead in politics or religion!
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