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Offline Cera

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Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
« Reply #60 on: September 09, 2024, 01:30:41 PM »
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  • Those of you who vote Trump will be formal accomplices in the death of each unborn child destroyed by the IVF process that Trump is promising to fund.  Pretending to wash your hands like Pilate (aka hold your nose while pulling the lever) won't change that fact.
    Those who help the Kommie Kamela Cabal get elected by sitting out the election will live to regret it as:
    thousands more babies will be murdered by infanticide and abortion,
    thousands more children will be sɛҳuąƖly mutilated,
    the Supreme Court will be packed with 6 new hard left revolutionary members,
    Puerto Rico will become the 51st state and vote with the revolutionaries,
    millions more will flood the border, including terrorists,
    WW3 will start,
    guns will be confiscated,
    even more innocent Catholics and Protestants will be imprisoned for praying in front of baby-killing facilities
    and much more.

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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #61 on: September 09, 2024, 02:28:02 PM »
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  • Cera, what are your thoughts on the Trump-Vance IVF policy?  I haven't seen you chime in on it yet (outside of your anti-Kamala focus). 


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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #62 on: September 09, 2024, 05:35:21 PM »
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  • Cera, what are your thoughts on the Trump-Vance IVF policy?  I haven't seen you chime in on it yet (outside of your anti-Kamala focus).
    It's sad that non-Catholics (and truth be told, many Catholics) are unaware of the evil of IVF -- another fruit of the lying educational system and media.
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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #63 on: September 09, 2024, 06:17:58 PM »
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  • Those who help the Kommie Kamela Cabal get elected by sitting out the election will live to regret it as:
    thousands more babies will be murdered by infanticide and abortion,
    thousands more children will be sɛҳuąƖly mutilated,
    the Supreme Court will be packed with 6 new hard left revolutionary members,
    Puerto Rico will become the 51st state and vote with the revolutionaries,
    millions more will flood the border, including terrorists,
    WW3 will start,
    guns will be confiscated,
    even more innocent Catholics and Protestants will be imprisoned for praying in front of baby-killing facilities
    and much more.
    We had several high-profile mass shootings under Obama and Biden. Nothing changed in federal gun policy. In fact, it may have gotten easier to buy an assault rifle. Any attempt to repeal that dies quickly in Congress.

    I could've bought an AR-15 with less effort than it takes to breathe during any administration.
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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #64 on: September 09, 2024, 08:27:06 PM »
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  • This is exactly the point I was making to you about your post which appeared to be passing moral judgement on someone not in lockstep with your opinion.

    appeared to be... 

    Please retrace the exchange to his September 2nd reply to my post of April 10th (yes, April). 

    Our fellow felt the need to go back almost five months to a post that was a re-paste of Trump's own words quoted in a sourced article titled, "Trump says he will not sign a national abortion ban if reelected."

    This was his reply (emphasis added):

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    Your also being totally played... that's why you will always lose because you can't see how your being played. That question is a trick question, no matter how Trump answers it they will use it to divide and conquer, as you just have... thus you are their perfect patsy... as when you walk off the field the enemy claims it and they don't care at all about you, because your not a realistic threat to their wholesale slaughter... only Trump is with his base of pro-lifers... that's what scares them... they will use every trick in the book to throw us and Trump off course... remember, we just need to be moving forward, we can worry about the next battle after we win the current one. 

    How would you, Cera, answer that? Or is the above no big deal since a blind stampede toward Trump is all that matters, ends justifying the means? (BTW, just like you, I'm still registered in a so-called blue state, done deal no matter what you or I say or do.)

    I did not pass moral judgement, nor did I demand compliance with my opinion. I did recommend, in detail, that he inform himself more carefully before alleging such things about other people.

    If some other poster were to argue coherently with reference to actual facts and solid principles, ("solid" as in consistent with natural law and Traditional Catholic moral theology) then that person is free to hold a different political opinion. You see, I'm not much impressed by worldly bandwagons.

    But if we're to be swamped by the likes of RobertS or whatever his next username will be (who you for some reason seemed to favor) and josh (though he might sort himself out slowly) such that it takes scrolling and scrolling to find anything that isn't hasty sloppy shooting from the hip, well then, such is.  
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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #65 on: September 09, 2024, 08:39:24 PM »
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  • Not to mention, if he is ignorant about it, he needs to inform himself about it, and he has no business supporting it politically until he researches it.  If he's just an ignoramus (as the poster to whom 2V is responding said), why is he running for such high office?  A politician has a duty to be well-informed of the policies he supports, let-alone a so-called Catholic politician.

    Exactly. He's a 39-year-old Yale-educated lawyer and venture capitalist with ties to Peter Thiel and Mitch McConnell. His wife works in civil litigation and they have three young children. With that education and experience, and in his social circle, as if he really doesn't know exactly what IVF's about.
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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #66 on: September 09, 2024, 09:43:46 PM »
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  • THIS ^^^

    Those of you who vote Trump will be formal accomplices in the death of each unborn child destroyed by the IVF process that Trump is promising to fund.  Pretending to wash your hands like Pilate (aka hold your nose while pulling the lever) won't change that fact.

    And when they reinstate Roe v Wade? (among so much more) you think you can wash your hands of that like Pilate? (aka hold your nose while you do nothing to try and prevent the terrible direction your nation is headed down).  

    No choice is a choice. If I am given some options, I'll go with the best one which has a pro-life base, overturned Roe v Wade among much more... it does not mean I support everything they say or do... if they pay for IVF etc then this is very wrong and I will say so until a better alternative comes along... you are headed in one of two directions, you can do nothing, but don't complain when everything gets much worse all because you didn't get perfection immediately. 

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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #67 on: September 09, 2024, 09:53:55 PM »
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  • It's sad that non-Catholics (and truth be told, many Catholics) are unaware of the evil of IVF -- another fruit of the lying educational system and media.

    Exactly...

    Another divide and conquer strategy... clever, switch the focus away from abortion and onto IVF that so many people are ignorant of, as they think it's just 'assistance'... actually need to switch the focus back on abortion and it will implicate IVF itself. Just like we switch the focus onto God and then we see that IVF is trying to play God which always ends badly... those born of IVF are not bad people, neither are those who sought it under false pretences and/or ignorance, but those playing God in the lab are sick people and you should never put your life or your loved ones lives in their hands. 

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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #68 on: September 10, 2024, 03:21:53 PM »
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  • IF KAMALA wins??????? lol. Both scenarios have very similar results if either party wins the white house... they are figurehead shabbos goys to make you feel good or bad about whose in there...  c'mon, man... wake up
    Then you can’t see what’s coming. In fact, you’re a Millennial so you should know better. The earnest prog-GNC Millennials coming in under hαɾɾιs are not going to eventually accept mere titular power like Biden’s people. They will drop the hammer. We’ll absolute see a woke revival and the return of SJWism, only this time I don’t think we’ll see enough of a reaction to it like we had in 2010s because that moment was already bubbling not only under the surface, but even on it, ready to explode. (It’s one of the underlying reasons I was so opposed to the new direction of the SSPX.)

    Unfortunately what have we seen from too many in the US and even Trads is either a folksy “just hunker down and accept it,” or Insane Clown Party.
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    Re: Trump touts support for IVF, abortion in various circuмstances
    « Reply #69 on: September 10, 2024, 06:05:58 PM »
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  • 1: With that high a post count, it's not like you're new around here....

    2: Please 'splain that mighty plan (or provide URL'd redirection), since we're so addled. Which dissident/alt-right might that be? If it's a pagan sandbox that doesn't recognize Christ the King, if it's a 5 Solas echo chamber, hey, you can keep it.
    This mindset that if it’s not fully “Christ the King” then it’s fully wrong or hell is not what the Church teaches. In fact, the Church condemned this view numerous times. Many of those same people looked for alternatives to Christianity because of its constant failures and betrayals.

    Here are a good number of dissident right adjacent Trads, saying exactly what I’ve said:

    First, the late Night Errantry (RIP):

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    « Reply #70 on: September 10, 2024, 06:10:33 PM »
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    « Reply #71 on: September 10, 2024, 06:13:05 PM »
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