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Re: Vigano on Rejecting Abortive Vaccines (Again)
« Reply #85 on: August 26, 2020, 09:07:14 AM »
Is there a list of such doctors anywhere?
Not that I have seen.
They don't advertise for fear of retribution from the medical establishment.
But they are out there.

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Re: Vigano on Rejecting Abortive Vaccines (Again)
« Reply #86 on: August 26, 2020, 09:26:27 AM »
Most states allow a religious exemption, but far fewer allow philosophical exemptions.  I think they all allow medical exemptions.  If you actually look at the labels of vaccines, they are actually contra-indicated for people with any condition of compromised immune system, including the elderly in general.  Yet they push them on the the immuno-compromised MOST of all, ignoring the labeling.  If you can get a doctor to verify you have some condition of immuno-compromise, then you can probably get a medical exemption.

Unfortunately, thanks to the NO and to the SSPX, it's very difficult to get a religious exemption, without declaring your religion to be something other than Catholicism or Traditional Catholicism, because they'll just say that your church doesn't disapprove of vaccines.  Thanks, guys.


Re: Vigano on Rejecting Abortive Vaccines (Again)
« Reply #87 on: August 26, 2020, 04:24:13 PM »
So, we can/can't accept vaccines which contain murdered babies, but where is the outcry over murdered babies contained in cosmetics?  
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Will ++Vigano come out against cosmetics (or other companies who use murdered babies in their products)?
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Side note: The SSPX position is probably influenced by, if not solely decided by, ex-MD Fr. Scott, who is very pro-vaccine.

There is no necessity for + Vigano to declare about use of foetal cells in cosmetics. We should not expect him to address the issue. It is all inclusive in the refusal of the use of foetal cells per se.


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The demonstration you are promoting intends to express the dissent of citizens and in particular of parents against the norms that the government, abusing its power, is preparing to issue in view of the new school year; norms that will have very grave repercussions on the health and psychosomatic equilibrium of students, as authoritative experts have rightly demonstrated.


Fr Peter Scott was never an MD. Is he still to this day pro-vaccine. I know he was taken to task by his flock at one time, but that was a while back.
 

Re: Vigano on Rejecting Abortive Vaccines (Again)
« Reply #88 on: August 26, 2020, 05:58:00 PM »
Is there a list of such doctors anywhere?
The doctors like Dr. Sears who once provided medical exemptions for children who had siblings who suffered severe debilitating reactions to vaccines, have been run out of business, harassed by lawsuits, reprimanded by medical boards, etc. If such docs exist, they are under the radar.

Re: Vigano on Rejecting Abortive Vaccines (Again)
« Reply #89 on: August 26, 2020, 07:08:16 PM »

Where is the need to do so with a COVID19 vaccine?
1) Hardly anyone dies from it
2) The vaccine probably won't work
3) The vaccine is poison and not medicine.

What is most helpful about this comment's schematic structure is that it treats the matter under discussion as what it is: a problem in conduct (i.e., a moral matter), not a problem in logic, the truth or falsehood of whose implications can be determined solely by induction and deduction. In this instance, one should think Thomistically, not Socratically or symbolically. Thus the commenters who complain of "logical" inconsistencies or obstacles have gotten nowhere because they have made ++Viganò's statement into something it fundamentally isn't.

Archbishop Viganò writes with great care. He doesn't say that all vaccinations are ill-advised or fundamentally wicked, and if he does think they are, that view can't be derived from the present docuмent. What he does say amounts to items (2) and (3) above. For good measure and with the authority he possesses as a consecrated successor to the Apostles, he adds, "for every Catholic who intends to remain faithful to his or her Baptism, it is absolutely inadmissible to accept a vaccination that utilizes material coming from human fetuses in its process of production."

The argument that this particular vaccination is "absolutely inadmissible" has a lot going for it. Despite the claims of the medical-governmental establishment, there is no probatively significant biological or epidemiological evidence that any antiviral vaccine has ever done less harm than good. Every year thousand of doctors warn millions of patients that they should not get a flu shot, as it will provide no protection greater than ordinary prudence provides and will, in a statistically significant number of individuals, assuredly have an adverse effect on the immune response to other viruses.

As the claimed medical benefit of a covid vaccine is nonexistent and, more, as that fact is known to everyone in secular authority, the production of the vaccine can serve no other purpose than a satanic one: to create what the Jews would gleefully characterize as a widespread state of ritual uncleanness through the injection of a product derived from fetal tissue obtained from abortions into millions of people who regard material association with abortion as mortally sinful. Imagine the effect of the feast of Thyestes raised to the millionth power, with the Jews serving corporately as Atreus.

On a related matter, the question of what one ought to think about making second-, third-, or tenth-hand contact with something gravely immoral simply does not apply here. That is a consideration that becomes something to ponder only when necessity or grave inconvenience or the like is in play and the matter itself is of a life-and-death nature. This is not such a case, however—at least it isn't for anyone with access to reliable information and with sufficient intelligence to make good use of the information. Sadly, that accounts for perhaps 5 percent of the population. But for that 5 percent—namely, for us and those who, like us, "intend to remain faithful to [their] Baptism"—the authoritative quality of ++Viganò's summons enjoins, at an absolute minimum, serious reflection, if not indeed full assent.