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Re: Suffering from loneliness
« Reply #150 on: May 20, 2024, 10:55:18 AM »
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  • What Simeon wrote, seconded, a million times over.
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #151 on: May 20, 2024, 11:36:50 AM »
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  • Thank you Simeon.  I think that wasn't just for Bataar, but for all of us who are struggling with God's will right now.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #152 on: May 20, 2024, 02:32:09 PM »
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  • My priest gave me a correction in confession yesterday, and I received a similar rebuke about a month ago - different priest. It boiled down to me refusing to submit to God's will. The truth is that I want something from Him, and have wanted it for over twenty years, and He will not give it to me. Not only that, He has stripped me of anything I already had along that same line. As in your case, "it has gotten worse."

    Yet I must say that the rebukes have helped me a lot. They helped me see where I'm actually sinning in my desire. Not that what I desire is sinful. In fact what I desire is one of the highest goods. That which is sinful, is what this desire does in my soul. It pits me against the very God Who is the very object of that desire. Go figure that one out! LOL!!

    I think I know why things feel worse when you pray and talk to the Lord about your loneliness. That very act strengthens the very desire which torments you so. 

    Have you considered doing whatever is necessary to staunch and obliterate your desire? Yes, I said that. 

    In my study of the Desert Fathers, I learned that frustration of desire is the basis of some of the worst habits of sin. The problem comes from the person refusing to let go of the desire. The desire itself is a sinful attachment. Yes, I know it sounds crazy that the desire for friends could be sinful. But any desire is sinful when it is inordinate and when it causes rebellion in the soul against the will of God.

    Pray to St. Raphael, and ask him to help you put this desire of yours on the hot coals, that it may be consumed as a sacrifice, and that the devils producing it (yes, I said that), be smoked out of your heart.

    I think that you may be under an obsession, placed in your mind by the devil, which he now uses to torment you.

    Let go this desire. Let it go.
    After reading Trustful Surrender to Divine Providence, I learned that a good way to deal with similar situations is to pray for two things:  to obtain what you desire OR to remove that desire.  This way the prayer is always answered and you are never disappointed.

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #153 on: May 21, 2024, 09:50:38 AM »
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  • After reading Trustful Surrender to Divine Providence, I learned that a good way to deal with similar situations is to pray for two things:  to obtain what you desire OR to remove that desire.  This way the prayer is always answered and you are never disappointed.

    I'm happy to hear this, 2V. The principle is quite sound.

    I had a thought about you, Bataar. You are 45 and single, and your desire is for friendship, not marriage and children. Have you determined that you are not called to marriage? Usually by the age of 45, good Catholic men are married and raising families, and have no time for the friendships of their youth. Friendship requires an investment of time and energy. Married men must channel their energies into making a living and caring for their families. They just aren't available for merry-making, as they once were.

    I don't think it is unreasonable to believe that in the post-Vatican II debacle, Catholic men called to the single life are excluded from the married state precisely in order that they may devote themselves more energetically and intensely to God's cause. They are higher-ranking soldiers of Christ, in a sense. They may be called to a hidden life of intense prayer and mortification, or to a public life devoted to a more explicit defense of the Faith.

    I really cannot imagine that God has in store for any single Catholic man of the age of 45, a peaceful life of recreation and diversion and affable society and comfort. C'mon!

    Everything you say leads me to believe that you do not want to expend very much energy, either in the direction of defending the Faith or of marriage and family. The friendship that you seek, at the age of 45, seems to me to be nothing more than a form of recreation and diversion.

    Me begins to think the problem is not "loneliness," but a life that is drifting along without a firm sense of purpose. Most assuredly, you are not the only one who suffers from this. It is the malaise of our age. But it must be recognized and combatted - or else prepare to suffer like this the rest of your life.

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #154 on: May 21, 2024, 11:09:58 AM »
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  • I'm happy to hear this, 2V. The principle is quite sound.

    I had a thought about you, Bataar. You are 45 and single, and your desire is for friendship, not marriage and children. Have you determined that you are not called to marriage? Usually by the age of 45, good Catholic men are married and raising families, and have no time for the friendships of their youth. Friendship requires an investment of time and energy. Married men must channel their energies into making a living and caring for their families. They just aren't available for merry-making, as they once were.

    I don't think it is unreasonable to believe that in the post-Vatican II debacle, Catholic men called to the single life are excluded from the married state precisely in order that they may devote themselves more energetically and intensely to God's cause. They are higher-ranking soldiers of Christ, in a sense. They may be called to a hidden life of intense prayer and mortification, or to a public life devoted to a more explicit defense of the Faith.

    I really cannot imagine that God has in store for any single Catholic man of the age of 45, a peaceful life of recreation and diversion and affable society and comfort. C'mon!

    Everything you say leads me to believe that you do not want to expend very much energy, either in the direction of defending the Faith or of marriage and family. The friendship that you seek, at the age of 45, seems to me to be nothing more than a form of recreation and diversion.

    Me begins to think the problem is not "loneliness," but a life that is drifting along without a firm sense of purpose. Most assuredly, you are not the only one who suffers from this. It is the malaise of our age. But it must be recognized and combatted - or else prepare to suffer like this the rest of your life.
    I would love to be married and have a family. It just doesn't seem to be a realistic possibility so I don't focus on it. Focusing on finding and making buddy level friends is nearly impossible in and of itself so hoping to make deep and meaningful friendships or the absolute best option, a holy and Catholic spouse seem just as realistic as hoping to win the lottery. 

    My autism is a huge obstacle when it comes to anything social. My brain is wires backwards for lack of a better term. Most people get to know people by just talking to them. They can be with a group of complete strangers and just start talking to them because it is the act of the conversation itself that is important. 

    I need to be able to get to know someone through repeated interactions with them to learn if they're someone I can have a conversation with. Put me in a room with a bunch of strangers and I'm lost. I don't have any reason to talk to one person over another person and since I don't know them, I have no idea what they would be interested in talking about. It's hard for me to stress how important this is, but when I talk to someone I don't know, the topic of the discussion is the most important thing. Obviously if the person is someone I do know and care about on some level, things are different as I actually do care about that person and want to know more about them.

    I'm also very purposeful. Everything I do has a purpose, even if it's something as simple as relieving boredom. I generally can't think of a reason to leave my house by myself so I just stay home. I know I won't meet anyone at my house, but if I can't think of anything to go do by myself, I'm at a dead end.

    I used to joke about finding the wonderful and seemingly mythical place known only as "Out There". I can't count the number of times I've heard, "You just need to get out there." I never could get a specific location or time from them. 😉


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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #155 on: May 21, 2024, 12:06:45 PM »
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    I generally can't think of a reason to leave my house by myself so I just stay home.
    Most times, life happens with you least expect it.  If you think you can, you can.  If you think you can't, you can't.  


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    I know I won't meet anyone at my house, but if I can't think of anything to go do by myself, I'm at a dead end.
    You need to quit thinking and just go do something.  Your close-mindedness is preventing you from growth and new experiences.

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #156 on: May 21, 2024, 12:15:26 PM »
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  • Most times, life happens with you least expect it.  If you think you can, you can.  If you think you can't, you can't. 

    You need to quit thinking and just go do something.  Your close-mindedness is preventing you from growth and new experiences.
    You can't quit thinking. Say I'm at my house. I decide to go somewhere. I walk out to my car and get in. Where do I drive to? 

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #157 on: May 21, 2024, 12:48:51 PM »
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    You can't quit thinking.
    It's a phrase which means, quit over analyzing things.  Which may be difficult for you, but not impossible.

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    Say I'm at my house. I decide to go somewhere. I walk out to my car and get in. Where do I drive to?
    The point is, you NEED to get some hobbies, interests, etc.  You're loneliness can be minimized if your mind is occupied (i.e. you are working on some project or goal).

    You don't have to go out of the house to solve the problem of boredom.  But i'm sure it would make life more interesting.  Let's say you decided to write a book, or design a website...would you rather do that at your house, alone?  Or at a coffee shop, where there's music and people watching?  Or you'd work at both places, depending on your schedule, because writing a book would take months or years.

    I don't know you at all; i'm only commenting based on your prior posts.  So take this with a grain of salt. 
    1) What are your talents?  Reading, writing, creating, drawing, music, listening, etc?
    2) Take such talents and apply it to something worthwhile.  (i.e. write a book about Church history, or create a website which organizes the history of the saints, or something related to your talents).
    3) Most people with autism have very specific talents.  You need to start using them for work/church/fun/all-of-the-above.
    4) How about your read the whole Bible, cover to cover?

    Even if you don't have a plan, start a project.  A wise man once said, "A life of chaos is better than a life of stasis."  It's better to have done and failed, than to have never tried. 

    And remember, we are given this life to work and to do.  Not waste.  If you have absolutely nothing to do, you had better be saying the full 15 decades of the rosary a day.  Our Lady will never fail to reward you for this great work, which is prayer.


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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #158 on: May 21, 2024, 02:51:55 PM »
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  • You can't quit thinking. Say I'm at my house. I decide to go somewhere. I walk out to my car and get in. Where do I drive to?
    Here are some ideas! 

    Go to a park with some binoculars and look at birds. Or go to one with a lake or pond and take a fishing pole. Or just walk some trails. Say hi to people as you pass them. 

    Go to the coffee shop to read whatever it is that you are currently reading. 

    Just drive around. Maybe something will catch your interest. 

    Do some volunteer work. 

    Go to a nursing home and visit with the elderly. Maybe they could point you to someone who likes visitors but rarely gets them. They won’t care what you say, just that you’re there. 

    Just get out! Too much isolation can lead to mental illness- you’ve get to get out of your own head. 



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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #159 on: May 21, 2024, 06:40:06 PM »
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  • Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

    Or you might say 

    Success is when preparation meets opportunity. As long as you follow through.

    Just something to think about.
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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #160 on: May 22, 2024, 04:30:35 AM »
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  • I would love to be married and have a family. It just doesn't seem to be a realistic possibility so I don't focus on it. Focusing on finding and making buddy level friends is nearly impossible in and of itself so hoping to make deep and meaningful friendships or the absolute best option, a holy and Catholic spouse seem just as realistic as hoping to win the lottery.

    My autism is a huge obstacle when it comes to anything social. My brain is wires backwards for lack of a better term. Most people get to know people by just talking to them. They can be with a group of complete strangers and just start talking to them because it is the act of the conversation itself that is important.

    I need to be able to get to know someone through repeated interactions with them to learn if they're someone I can have a conversation with. Put me in a room with a bunch of strangers and I'm lost. I don't have any reason to talk to one person over another person and since I don't know them, I have no idea what they would be interested in talking about. It's hard for me to stress how important this is, but when I talk to someone I don't know, the topic of the discussion is the most important thing. Obviously if the person is someone I do know and care about on some level, things are different as I actually do care about that person and want to know more about them.

    I'm also very purposeful. Everything I do has a purpose, even if it's something as simple as relieving boredom. I generally can't think of a reason to leave my house by myself so I just stay home. I know I won't meet anyone at my house, but if I can't think of anything to go do by myself, I'm at a dead end.

    I used to joke about finding the wonderful and seemingly mythical place known only as "Out There". I can't count the number of times I've heard, "You just need to get out there." I never could get a specific location or time from them. 😉

    Have you ever looked into social networks for people with autism? Where people can share their frustrations and challenges and get to know one another over time, as you say you require? 

    These people might not be Catholic, but they might be decent enough for you to interact with. 

    You might even meet a woman who understands you. 


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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #161 on: May 22, 2024, 04:37:37 AM »
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  • I would love to be married and have a family. It just doesn't seem to be a realistic possibility so I don't focus on it. Focusing on finding and making buddy level friends is nearly impossible in and of itself so hoping to make deep and meaningful friendships or the absolute best option, a holy and Catholic spouse seem just as realistic as hoping to win the lottery.

    My autism is a huge obstacle when it comes to anything social. My brain is wires backwards for lack of a better term. Most people get to know people by just talking to them. They can be with a group of complete strangers and just start talking to them because it is the act of the conversation itself that is important.

    I need to be able to get to know someone through repeated interactions with them to learn if they're someone I can have a conversation with. Put me in a room with a bunch of strangers and I'm lost. I don't have any reason to talk to one person over another person and since I don't know them, I have no idea what they would be interested in talking about. It's hard for me to stress how important this is, but when I talk to someone I don't know, the topic of the discussion is the most important thing. Obviously if the person is someone I do know and care about on some level, things are different as I actually do care about that person and want to know more about them.

    I'm also very purposeful. Everything I do has a purpose, even if it's something as simple as relieving boredom. I generally can't think of a reason to leave my house by myself so I just stay home. I know I won't meet anyone at my house, but if I can't think of anything to go do by myself, I'm at a dead end.

    I used to joke about finding the wonderful and seemingly mythical place known only as "Out There". I can't count the number of times I've heard, "You just need to get out there." I never could get a specific location or time from them. 😉
    This thread has been alive for over a year now.  Have you tried any of the advice given? If not, why not? if yes, which ones did you try and what happened? 

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #162 on: May 27, 2024, 12:56:02 AM »
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  • Have you ever looked into social networks for people with autism? Where people can share their frustrations and challenges and get to know one another over time, as you say you require?

    These people might not be Catholic, but they might be decent enough for you to interact with.

    You might even meet a woman who understands you.
    I'm a member of some online groups for people with autism. No one in those groups live near me though. When I lived in the Seattle area, I tried going to some in person groups, but they were all mostly for people who were much lower functioning than I am. The few higher functioning people who attended were practically communist when it came to their social views so I didn't engage with them at all.

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #163 on: May 27, 2024, 01:10:59 AM »
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  • This thread has been alive for over a year now.  Have you tried any of the advice given? If not, why not? if yes, which ones did you try and what happened?
    I've definitely tried praying more and asking for help to find and follow God's will for me. If I'm meant to be alone then give me the stregnth to deal with it and stuff like that. Unfortunately, no amount of prayer seems to help or make any difference. I've tried finding new hobbies, but that hasn't worked. Being autistic, I have a few very specialised interests and trying to add new ones on a whim is nearly impossible. Thankfully the weather is getting nicer so I'm able to go fishing fairly frequently and walk my dogs, but while those are things I enjoy and will definitely alliviate boredom, they've never helped me meet anyone. I also really enjoy board games but I need to know people to play them with so that hobby is kind of dead right now. I tried to start a board game night at my church, but that fell through as the priests didn't seem interested in having one.

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #164 on: May 27, 2024, 06:19:54 AM »
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  • I have only skimmed through the last handful of posts but I'm wondering if you've ever been to a retreat? Not sure if that's something you would go for, but the SSPX is having some Ignatian retreats now if you're willing to travel a bit. I've never been, but those who've been to one or more rave about all the benefits, seems like something you might want to attend perhaps?
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