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Re: Suffering from loneliness
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2023, 06:51:46 PM »
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  • I'm pretty much truly alone. I'm 44 years old, no wife or family of my own. My dad and 2 siblings live 300 miles away so I don't get to interact with them very often. I don't really have any good friends. I have a few buddies that I'm able to do stuff with a couple of times a month, but that's it. They're all married and have kids so they don't have time to spend with me. Unless I need to go to the store or something, I'm pretty much home, by myself. Once summer gets here it'll be nice because at least I'll be able to go fishing after work and on weekends.

    Another problem is that I'm a high functioning autistic person. Most people probably wouldn't notice anything odd about me once they get to know me, but it definitely makes this area of life very hard. It's extremely difficult to meet people as my social norms are backward. I need to already know someone before I want to talk to them. I usually do this by interacting with them in some kind of activity and I learn whether or not they're someone I want to know better which makes me want to talk to them and gives me something to talk to them about. If someone's a complete stranger, I have no idea what to talk to them about. For me, unless I'm talking to someone I already care about in some way, the purpose of talking is the exchange of information. If I don't know someone, I don't know if they know anything I need to ask them about, nor do I know if I know something I should inform them about which makes talking pointless.

    I remember someone suggesting I should ask someone what kind of work they do as a conversation starter. For most people, this is probably a good opener, but the way my brain works, it's not. If this person is a stranger, why do I want to know where they work? How will that information be useful for anything in and of itself? Interrupting someone to ask them for a useless, meaningless bit of information is just . . . . . . . . I can't even describe how wrong and stressful that is. My church doesn't have any kind of social activities so there's no viable way for me to meet anyone.

    Now if it's a person I know and care about in some way, it's completely different. I just need to find a way to get to know something about them before actually trying to converse with them.

    Someone above mentioned prayer and while I do pray (probably not as often as I should), it doesn't help at all. If anything, it makes me feel worse as it will lead me to believe that God may help and when nothing changes or even gets worse, I obviously feel worse than before. Praying feels like calling someone you consider a friend who never answers their phone anymore. You leave them a voicemail and they never call you back.
    Pride seems to be the issue, and isolation seems to be (possibly) Gods answer. Believe it or not when you pray it is not your way or the Highway. You are viewing prayer in the wrong way. Instead of saying that God doesn’t answer you, keep in mind all of the blessings that God gives you like your health, your ability to live in general, your freedom etc.  
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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #16 on: March 15, 2023, 08:28:04 PM »
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  • I'm pretty much truly alone. I'm 44 years old, no wife or family of my own. My dad and 2 siblings live 300 miles away so I don't get to interact with them very often. I don't really have any good friends. I have a few buddies that I'm able to do stuff with a couple of times a month, but that's it. They're all married and have kids so they don't have time to spend with me. Unless I need to go to the store or something, I'm pretty much home, by myself. Once summer gets here it'll be nice because at least I'll be able to go fishing after work and on weekends.

    Another problem is that I'm a high functioning autistic person. Most people probably wouldn't notice anything odd about me once they get to know me, but it definitely makes this area of life very hard. It's extremely difficult to meet people as my social norms are backward. I need to already know someone before I want to talk to them. I usually do this by interacting with them in some kind of activity and I learn whether or not they're someone I want to know better which makes me want to talk to them and gives me something to talk to them about. If someone's a complete stranger, I have no idea what to talk to them about. For me, unless I'm talking to someone I already care about in some way, the purpose of talking is the exchange of information. If I don't know someone, I don't know if they know anything I need to ask them about, nor do I know if I know something I should inform them about which makes talking pointless.

    I remember someone suggesting I should ask someone what kind of work they do as a conversation starter. For most people, this is probably a good opener, but the way my brain works, it's not. If this person is a stranger, why do I want to know where they work? How will that information be useful for anything in and of itself? Interrupting someone to ask them for a useless, meaningless bit of information is just . . . . . . . . I can't even describe how wrong and stressful that is. My church doesn't have any kind of social activities so there's no viable way for me to meet anyone.

    Now if it's a person I know and care about in some way, it's completely different. I just need to find a way to get to know something about them before actually trying to converse with them.

    Someone above mentioned prayer and while I do pray (probably not as often as I should), it doesn't help at all. If anything, it makes me feel worse as it will lead me to believe that God may help and when nothing changes or even gets worse, I obviously feel worse than before. Praying feels like calling someone you consider a friend who never answers their phone anymore. You leave them a voicemail and they never call you back.
     Guess what? There's lots of people like you. I'm one. They may be 1 in 1000, I don't know, but that's still a lot of people with the same struggles. That personality type is at a huge disadvantage in this world unless they find the perfect fit for them. 

    Don't take this the wrong way, I'm always in a good mood and never intend to offend. Stop being selfish and miserable because you have no friends, practice charity and go be someone else's friend. Other people need friends too. Having such an outlook on life will really help you grow in holiness. Now here's the hard part, it may be hard to find people to be friends with, but if you have the resources to travel, I'm sure you can find people who could also really benefit from a friend. And, it would probably be easy in a way, because often times people who are lonely will happily talk away in front of new company for hours, so you won't have to talk much.

    As for me, I don't have the resources to travel much for this purpose, and people I would be friendly towards don't want it, or are prevented by something (God or satan) for whatever reason. So my other option is to try to become as close of a friend with God as I can. I can't say that that is going anywhere near as well as it should, but I'm in a distracting environment, and hope to find somewhere better to go. It has helped me alot to get past the misery by just accepting the seemingly unfortunate circuмstances that I'll never fit in or have any friends on earth, and that's ok because were only travelers on earth. As for now, I'm trying to spend more time searching the depths of scripture, especially regarding charity.  The 4 volume series "The Life of Jesus Christ and Biblical Revelations" from the visions of Anne Cathrine Emmerich have really helped me to better understand God and Jesus, even though it contains a lot of useless fluff and can't be considered anywhere near the same level as scripture.

    And don't expect to feel anything from prayer. That is spiritual, we feel with physical things with the body. Just do your duty to God: loving Him above all things with your whole being, and always keeping yourself in His presence. If any feeling comes from it, that's probably either the freely given gift of consolation to an unprofitable servant, or a test of desolation to see if you will persevere in prayer, proving your worth and increasing your spiritual strength.

    Maybe you could offer to buy breakfast or lunch for a few parishioners. That would be a conversation starter, and a means of getting to hang out with some company. They could probably make enough conversation among themselves that you wouldn't have to worry about what to talk about.
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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #17 on: March 15, 2023, 09:20:57 PM »
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  • Our parish priest always taught that prayer does not change God’s will for us,  by praying, we simply conform our will to His.
    God has nothing to change, if He did, He would be imperfect. 
    It is us who need to change and trust in Divine Providence, which may be a good read for the OP. The title of the book is Trustful Surrender to Divine Providence.

    Read it and let Jesus take the wheel. 😊

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #18 on: March 15, 2023, 09:26:12 PM »
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  • Just a thought.  Maybe it would be easier for you if the people you meet had at least one common interest with you.
    Have you thought about volunteering on your day off?  A charitable thing would be to volunteer at the food bank.
    Or maybe you like dogs...volunteer at the local animal shelter or vet clinic.
    Pick something that interests you and see if there might be a volunteer opportunity there.
    It makes it easier to talk to strangers when you already have a common interest.
    Don't worry... at first they'll tell you what to do so you can observe them and relax.
    The nice thing about volunteering is that if you don't like it or feel uncomfortable you can leave and move on to something else that might be a better fit.
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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #19 on: March 15, 2023, 10:26:46 PM »
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  • If you are lonely, I might suggest visiting a nursing home. You could even ask the nurses there which ones have very few people visit them. You won’t have to feel weird about what to talk about, they will just be happy that someone is visiting with them. It might be great for you both and also a work of mercy. 

    Consolation in prayer is a bonus but no guarantee. Pray as much as you can. It will change you more than you realize. 

    Prayers for you! 
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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #20 on: March 15, 2023, 10:41:05 PM »
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  • Our parish priest always taught that prayer does not change God’s will for us,  by praying, we simply conform our will to His.
    God has nothing to change, if He did, He would be imperfect.
    It is us who need to change and trust in Divine Providence, which may be a good read for the OP. The title of the book is Trustful Surrender to Divine Providence.

    Read it and let Jesus take the wheel. 😊
    Ah, here we get into theology! God's Antecedent Will, His Consequent Will... I'll leave that for the theologians.

    It certainly "changed His Will" for Ezechias: read Isais 38, 1-6 (Epistle, Thursday after Ash Wednesday):

    1 In those days Ezechias was sick even to death, and Isaias the son of Amos the prophet came unto him, and said to him: Thus saith the Lord: Take order with thy house, for thou shalt die, and not live. 2 And Ezechias turned his face toward the wall, and prayed to the Lord, 3 And said: I beseech thee, O Lord, remember how I have walked before thee in truth, and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Ezechias Isaiah 38:4 lxxi Isaiah 38:15 wept with great weeping. 4 And the word of the Lord came to Isaias, saying: 5 Go and say to Ezechias: Thus saith the Lord the God of David thy father: I have heard thy prayer, and I have seen thy tears: behold I will add to thy days fifteen years: 6 And I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of the Assyrians, and I will protect it.

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #21 on: March 15, 2023, 10:42:05 PM »
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  • Or you could offer to mow the lawn or help an elderly person who is no longer able to garden. You would not have to do much talking. 

    Or help with shopping. Your priest may know someone who fits the bill. There is so much need in the community. 

    You just have to concentrate less on yourself and think about others. It seems to me that many here are experiencing loneliness. 
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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #22 on: March 15, 2023, 10:59:14 PM »
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  • I'm pretty much truly alone. I'm 44 years old, no wife or family of my own. My dad and 2 siblings live 300 miles away so I don't get to interact with them very often. I don't really have any good friends. I have a few buddies that I'm able to do stuff with a couple of times a month, but that's it. They're all married and have kids so they don't have time to spend with me. Unless I need to go to the store or something, I'm pretty much home, by myself. Once summer gets here it'll be nice because at least I'll be able to go fishing after work and on weekends.

    Again, I'm not here to A) dismiss your sufferings or B) complain.

    However, for the sake of the Big Picture, to help people grasp the situation of Trads living in 2023, I would like to compare & contrast your situation with mine.

    I'm about your age. I only have a few relatives left from my childhood, but they all live either in Kansas or Illinois (I live in south-central Texas). My mother and siblings live in my hometown, 1200+ miles away. My wife's family, though they are local, aren't much more present in our lives -- we only see her mom & dad occasionally for kid birthday parties. We see a very limited # of her family at Easter & Christmas. I actually don't have any friends or buddies IRL. I also have no co-workers, as I'm unemployed. And my chapel is on our land, but we only get Mass once a month. When we do, there aren't exactly many people showing up. We have a huge mailing list, but the turnout is pretty poor. So that's very depressing. Even if we went back to our SSPX chapel, we would find it a changed place. Most of our "friends" at the chapel (the serious type Catholics, who stayed after Mass for more than 1 minute) from say 2010 have either died or moved away.

    The only positive is my immediate family: wife and 9 kids. Yes, I have that. I'll happily admit it, because it's true. But aside from that, I couldn't be more lonely and isolated from other human beings. That's why I'm sympathetic with others who find a need for an online gathering place for Trads -- like CathInfo.

    There are places in the country where I would have friends if I visited -- I've met many great Catholics over the years. Too many places to list, but to name a few: in New York/Connecticut, Louisiana, and St. Mary's KS. I might have some IRL friends if I were to move to one of these places. But that's not where I am.
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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #23 on: March 15, 2023, 11:02:07 PM »
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  • There’s more people than you know in the same boat.  I’m also by myself, have one living family member, not Catholic, and some distant relatives that I have no idea of where or who they are.  (They cut themselves off in a feud over a will about which my parents refused to take sides. Or maybe they cut my parents off, probably closer to the truth. I was only five years old when this happened.)  I live in a very small refurbished hunting camp with my dogs and a cat.  It’s in the middle of nowhere, which is very nice, on one hand, but not on the other.  I landed here due to losing my job, my apartment, and most of my stuff for refusing the jab offer.  It certainly beats living in my car in a big city, which is what I did for two months.  
    I also don’t have regular Mass or Sacraments, although I’m better that way than the last two years when I had nothing.  Try your best to establish a rule of life.  Keep it simple as you aren’t a monk or an official hermit.  Prayer, however brief, morning, noon, night, plus Rosary or Stations of the Cross on Wednesdays and Fridays for Lent.  There’s a very concise, rhyming version in the back of the Fr. Stedman Sunday Missal that I like to use.  Weather permitting, try going for a walk while praying the Rosary.  Pray under your breath or think the words in your head if you’re around others and don’t want to raise the ire of a crazy person or have others dismiss you as insane. 
    Try getting a pet.  If a dog or cat isn’t realistic, what about a bird or turtle?  Lizard, snake, small rodent, or a tank with a few goldfish?  My sister kept two newts found in a campground in New Hampshire.  One of them lived his full lifecycle, emerging from the water and changing from dark green to bright orange.  Try keeping land snails or hermit crabs.  If you’re not squeamish, a scorpion or tarantula might keep your interest…or an ant farm!  Plants can also lift the mood.  They freshen the air and require at least a little care, some more than others. A carnivorous plant is interesting, or anything flowering. 
    Resist having a pity-party.  The only one who will come to it is the devil, and be assured, he’s the death of the party.  
    As to prayer, don’t beat yourself up. If you forget or are feeling to low, remind yourself to just pray anyway.  Read a prayer or recite from memory.  Mary will fill in the “feeling” aspect if that’s even needed.  There are many things we do devoid of any feelings, just because they are right or necessary.  I don’t like hauling trash to the county environmental center (dump!), but I do it as needed or I’d have a dump surrounding my home.  I really dislike laundromats, but I have to go or wear dirty clothes and sleep in a soiled bed.  Prayer said just because…is better than no prayer.  
    There are many people on the autistic spectrum, lots more since someone decided to call it a spectrum!  I’m 64 and was “diagnosed” at age 58.  In retrospect, yes, I was always the kid who didn’t fit in, who had some slightly odd behavior patterns, whose interests and ways of looking at the world were unusual, or who was sometimes deemed “not normal.”  Well, who cares?  I’m normal for me because I’ve always been as I am.  If God wanted me otherwise, He’d have made someone else.  It’s not sin we’re talking about.  I even got hired once for replying, “What you see is what you get!”  The interviewer questioned the fact that I was wearing Birkenstock shoes!  (Maybe I was a tree-hugging, fag-loving, communist liberal?)  No, nothing of the sort!  I wear only orthopedically healthy shoes.  Everyone in my family had foot problems, women especially, from cramming naturally wide feet into stylish shoes.  When young, my father wisely made we kids wear properly fitting shoes, stylish or not.  He had bad feet himself from poverty, having to wear shoes that were too small. My feet are pain free and flexible as ever.  I’ve never been to a podiatrist in my life!  If I go to Mass and all the other women are wearing pumps, high heels, pointed toes, and I’m wearing Birkenstocks, too bad.  You’re not supposed to be looking at people’s feet during Mass, anyhow!  
    Here’s a great way to get started.  Post a large print Morning and Evening Offering Prayer to your bed or wall.  Say the prayers as soon as you awake and before you sleep.  Make a list of people to pray for, include souls in Purgatory, family, friends, acquaintances, world leaders, whomever… Whichever time is better, morning or evening, say one prayer for one on the list.  Cross them and move on.  Pray before meals.  If others don’t join you, take 30 seconds to bless yourself, bow your head, pray silently, and cross yourself.  Ignore others while doing so, even if they take no notice or deliberately keep talking, etc.  When done, join as if nothing were unusual, because thanks to you, it isn’t.  If need be, say, “I’m sorry, I didn’t quite hear your question/comment.”  After awhile, they’ll either respect you, or they’ll go on as before, in either case, God has been thanked.  If someone bullies, mocks, gaslights, ghosts, humiliates you in front of others, remove yourself from that person.  Confront him or her kindly, but firmly once.  Tell how exactly you expect to be treated.  If you’re ignored, remove yourself from this person in as much as possible.  
    One more thing, friends needn’t be talking all the time.  Just walking, working, eating, sharing tea, reading, playing a game of chess, paint or sketch, whittle, or whatever, doesn’t require constant chatter.  
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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #24 on: March 16, 2023, 10:56:38 AM »
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  • Note too that loneliness itself can be the means by which we are drawn back to God. Bataar, you said yesterday that prayer has not been fruitful for you. If the following are not among your current prayers, I'd suggest them very much.

    The Seven Penitential Psalms (6, 31, 37, 50, 101, 129, and 142). The sequence becomes more hopeful towards the end.
    The Litany of Humility
    The Litany for the Poor Souls in Purgatory  

    Often, chapels and churches will have free cards of those last two available at their literature table/shelf. It helps to look or ask.
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #25 on: March 16, 2023, 03:45:49 PM »
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  • There’s more people than you know in the same boat.  I’m also by myself, have one living family member, not Catholic, and some distant relatives that I have no idea of where or who they are.  (They cut themselves off in a feud over a will about which my parents refused to take sides. Or maybe they cut my parents off, probably closer to the truth. I was only five years old when this happened.)  I live in a very small refurbished hunting camp with my dogs and a cat.  It’s in the middle of nowhere, which is very nice, on one hand, but not on the other.  I landed here due to losing my job, my apartment, and most of my stuff for refusing the jab offer.  It certainly beats living in my car in a big city, which is what I did for two months. 
    I also don’t have regular Mass or Sacraments, although I’m better that way than the last two years when I had nothing.  Try your best to establish a rule of life.  Keep it simple as you aren’t a monk or an official hermit.  Prayer, however brief, morning, noon, night, plus Rosary or Stations of the Cross on Wednesdays and Fridays for Lent.  There’s a very concise, rhyming version in the back of the Fr. Stedman Sunday Missal that I like to use.  Weather permitting, try going for a walk while praying the Rosary.  Pray under your breath or think the words in your head if you’re around others and don’t want to raise the ire of a crazy person or have others dismiss you as insane.
    Try getting a pet.  If a dog or cat isn’t realistic, what about a bird or turtle?  Lizard, snake, small rodent, or a tank with a few goldfish?  My sister kept two newts found in a campground in New Hampshire.  One of them lived his full lifecycle, emerging from the water and changing from dark green to bright orange.  Try keeping land snails or hermit crabs.  If you’re not squeamish, a scorpion or tarantula might keep your interest…or an ant farm!  Plants can also lift the mood.  They freshen the air and require at least a little care, some more than others. A carnivorous plant is interesting, or anything flowering.
    Resist having a pity-party.  The only one who will come to it is the devil, and be assured, he’s the death of the party. 
    As to prayer, don’t beat yourself up. If you forget or are feeling to low, remind yourself to just pray anyway.  Read a prayer or recite from memory.  Mary will fill in the “feeling” aspect if that’s even needed.  There are many things we do devoid of any feelings, just because they are right or necessary.  I don’t like hauling trash to the county environmental center (dump!), but I do it as needed or I’d have a dump surrounding my home.  I really dislike laundromats, but I have to go or wear dirty clothes and sleep in a soiled bed.  Prayer said just because…is better than no prayer. 
    There are many people on the autistic spectrum, lots more since someone decided to call it a spectrum!  I’m 64 and was “diagnosed” at age 58.  In retrospect, yes, I was always the kid who didn’t fit in, who had some slightly odd behavior patterns, whose interests and ways of looking at the world were unusual, or who was sometimes deemed “not normal.”  Well, who cares?  I’m normal for me because I’ve always been as I am.  If God wanted me otherwise, He’d have made someone else.  It’s not sin we’re talking about.  I even got hired once for replying, “What you see is what you get!”  The interviewer questioned the fact that I was wearing Birkenstock shoes!  (Maybe I was a tree-hugging, fag-loving, communist liberal?)  No, nothing of the sort!  I wear only orthopedically healthy shoes.  Everyone in my family had foot problems, women especially, from cramming naturally wide feet into stylish shoes.  When young, my father wisely made we kids wear properly fitting shoes, stylish or not.  He had bad feet himself from poverty, having to wear shoes that were too small. My feet are pain free and flexible as ever.  I’ve never been to a podiatrist in my life!  If I go to Mass and all the other women are wearing pumps, high heels, pointed toes, and I’m wearing Birkenstocks, too bad.  You’re not supposed to be looking at people’s feet during Mass, anyhow! 
    Here’s a great way to get started.  Post a large print Morning and Evening Offering Prayer to your bed or wall.  Say the prayers as soon as you awake and before you sleep.  Make a list of people to pray for, include souls in Purgatory, family, friends, acquaintances, world leaders, whomever… Whichever time is better, morning or evening, say one prayer for one on the list.  Cross them and move on.  Pray before meals.  If others don’t join you, take 30 seconds to bless yourself, bow your head, pray silently, and cross yourself.  Ignore others while doing so, even if they take no notice or deliberately keep talking, etc.  When done, join as if nothing were unusual, because thanks to you, it isn’t.  If need be, say, “I’m sorry, I didn’t quite hear your question/comment.”  After awhile, they’ll either respect you, or they’ll go on as before, in either case, God has been thanked.  If someone bullies, mocks, gaslights, ghosts, humiliates you in front of others, remove yourself from that person.  Confront him or her kindly, but firmly once.  Tell how exactly you expect to be treated.  If you’re ignored, remove yourself from this person in as much as possible. 
    One more thing, friends needn’t be talking all the time.  Just walking, working, eating, sharing tea, reading, playing a game of chess, paint or sketch, whittle, or whatever, doesn’t require constant chatter. 
    :pray:
     
    I attend an SSPX chapel and it's definitely nice to be able to receive the sacraments regularly, but it's damn near impossible to meet anyone. People go to mass and then leave. People go to a catechism class and then leave with no chance to interact with anyone. This is one area where protestants seem to do really well at. A protestant friend of mine met his wife at their church and numerous other couples all met at church activities. Their church is very active and it's not uncommon for nearly their entire social lives to be centered around activities at their church. It drives me nuts when priests complain about the lack of Catholic marriages in today's time but do absolutely nothing to facilitate good Catholic men and women to meet.

    I do have some pets. 2 small dogs, a cat and a bird. Their company is definitely nice. One of the dogs was already mine; the other 3 animals I inherited from my mom when she passed. 

    I get what you're saying about friends, I just don't have any real friends to even do those kinds of activities with. I have some "buddies" that I hang out with on occasion. Usually whenever we happen to be at the cigar lounge at the same time. It seems like any time I invite them to do something, they never can because of family stuff. I pretty much eat every meal alone so praying is not a problem or anything along those lines.


    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #26 on: March 16, 2023, 04:23:50 PM »
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  • Set up a day of fishing for members of your chapel.  Provide fishing license info for your state.  You. Might not need one if you use a fishing boat rental. 
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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #27 on: March 16, 2023, 04:39:43 PM »
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  • I think many of the suggestions are wonderful....for a non-autistic.  Initiating conversations with strangers is just not in the wheelhouse of most spectrum folks for a variety of reasons.

    My son is on the spectrum so I have a bit of experience with the social training aspect.  My suggestion to the OP is to focus on social interaction rather than making friends.  Friendships grow from consistent social contact with those you have things in common with.  

    It might be easiest for you to find group activities to join so you can blend in.  It would take the pressure off you to think of clever and interesting things to say.  Classes, Meetup, conferences, workshops, heck even traveling alone you can meet people.  I went on a day tour of a palace recently and met other singletons from all over the world at lunch.  

    Even if you don't make friends you will be occupying your time and will be with other people.

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #28 on: March 16, 2023, 08:51:59 PM »
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  • I attend an SSPX chapel and it's definitely nice to be able to receive the sacraments regularly, but it's damn near impossible to meet anyone. People go to mass and then leave. People go to a catechism class and then leave with no chance to interact with anyone. This is one area where protestants seem to do really well at. A protestant friend of mine met his wife at their church and numerous other couples all met at church activities. Their church is very active and it's not uncommon for nearly their entire social lives to be centered around activities at their church. It drives me nuts when priests complain about the lack of Catholic marriages in today's time but do absolutely nothing to facilitate good Catholic men and women to meet.

    That's a common problem, and it is definitely not good.  Maybe you can talk to the priest about this problem, and try to organize some activity that the priest can announce when he would make announcements before the readings, and hopefully at such time he would urge the importance of some social interaction among the parishioners. Even have the event details included in the church bulletin. Lunch, fishing, lakeside BBQ, organize a yard work day at the house of whoever needs it.

    I had such a hard time making the 1 friend I have, who has no time for me. The hard part was just going over and talking. It feels so useless most times, which is why you need a plan to invite them to do something. Rather, ask them what they do for fun, and try to join in, even help them do what they like if they often have a hard time getting their usual friends to accompany them. Even a low key BBQ at their house to start; cook them lunch at their place one nice Sunday after mass.
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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #29 on: March 17, 2023, 08:55:14 AM »
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  • Our parish priest always taught that prayer does not change God’s will for us ....
    God has nothing to change, if He did, He would be imperfect.

    This is incorrect. Luke 8:43-48 tells us that God willed hemorrhages on a woman for years, and when He, as the Incarnate Word, passed by her, He still had no interest in her healing, per se, but only when she, in faith, reached out to Him did the Messiah heal her. Her very act of reaching out to Him and having faith in Him signaled Our Lord, and He heard her, and He filled her want. If she had not called upon Him, to put a physical effort into touching Christ, He would have still allowed the woman to suffer her illness.

    Another event where God changed His will is at the Wedding at Cana. Even Jesus told His mother that it was not yet His time, but she insisted, so He performed His first public miracle before the time He originally set (whenever it would've been) because it still had effected God's glory and it was beneficial to the souls of the people there.

    Also, if God does change something, it doesn't mean He made a mistake the first time or He is imperfect. The change He grants will still effect His glory. God will not grant a prayer request if it doesn't effect His glory and it doesn't, ultimately, benefit the soul of the person(s).
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