I'd like to see the environmentalists go to the people whose property is affected by the fires, and let them explain why it wasn't a good idea to use salt water.  I can't imagine that the most "woke" property owner would say, "yes, my house burned to the ground, but at least you didn't use salt water".

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I think about this sort of thing a lot -- why do liberals not see the consequences of their errors? Environmentalists having their house burned down, liberals getting mugged by criminals that they don't want to put in prison or put to death, and things like this. I think the problem is that in a democracy it's the majority rule, and the people that suffer the consequences of liberal errors, even catastrophic consequences like having your house get burned down, or your child kidnapped by an illegal alien, or getting mugged by a murderer that the liberal "justice system" let out of prison, are a relatively small number and can't change voting to any real degree.

Now, as far as major cities like New York City where everyone votes for politicians who enact this sort of thing and everyone is afraid to walk the streets at night, that really puzzles me because everyone suffers to some degree but nobody wants to vote differently.

Nah, they're just blaming this on DEI ... just like they blamed the junk they perpetrated the last 4 years on Biden.  They put people like that in place since they're a distraction from the real culprits behind the curtain.

Evidence is overwhelming that these fires were the result of DEW, directed energy weapons ... as there are large areas where every house is burned to the ground while the trees practically next to them are untouched, where cars are instantly being oxidized (rust color), etc. ... just like in MAUI.  In addition, many have reported that just a few months ago, one of the largest insurers cancelled all the fire insurance on homes in those neighborhoods (a company obviously with connections to whoever is perpetrating these crimes).

Now even the mainstream are saying it was "arson" ... and we'll have to see who they pin it on.  We might see some Iranian passports somehow magically surviving the inferno.

I thought you had retired from the forum....

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I wonder how drones are flying around up in those high winds.

Actually, I started to wonder that myself a while after I posted what I did but it was too late to comment.

Just three points. 1) It’s one matter for a drone to crash into a fire, and quite another for a manned aircraft to do so.
2) Most of the fires are located at a substantial distance from the ocean. Reservoirs are closer and have the necessary access and equipment to fill fire engines and aircraft. The ocean lacks these things.
3) Were the fires planned by the govt. and caused by DEW? Probably not. Could the govt. be taking advantage of them and using DEW? Probably so. Have a look at the aerial photos of residential neighborhoods.

:pray:For the people caught up in these fires and for the souls of those already killed.

Good points, thanks!

Does anybody know if the chapel that Mel Gibson built near his home in Agoura Hills has sustained any damage from the fires?

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Essentially, due to California's climate, wildfires are a regular issue. However rather than adopting policies which can prevent these fires from becoming catastrophic (e.g., controlled burns, forestry management, making sure communities have sufficient firefighting water infrastructure or fixing the power lines) more and more money has gone into suppressing the wildfires (which in turn has caused the subsequent ones to burn even hotter).

As such, devastating fires are becoming more and more common, but despite an uproar each time for steps to be taken so the next one does not create profound devastation, nothing gets done and a worse one follows (while spending on wildfire fighting services continue to spiral out of control).

For instance, journalists in the last 24 hours highlighted that:

•Many of the affected communities ran out of water to fight these fires (e.g., the fire hydrants went dry).

•Planned controlled burns had been cancelled.

•Power lines were not de-energized.

•In 2014, a proposition set aside billions develop a water infrastructure for California, yet despite repeated pushes to do so (e.g., from the Trump administration), nothing was ever developed.

•Many home insurance plans in California were recently cancelled due to California enacting laws that capped the prices insurers could charge (hence making it unaffordable for them to offer coverage and insurers simply leaving the state). As a result, many of the homes which burn down likely will not be covered and simultaneously, California's much more costly state insurance program may collapse from the costs of these fires.

•Los Angeles recently made large cuts to the firefighting services to spend more on homelessness and had shifted its focus from firefighting to promoting DEI.
  

Likewise, throughout this fire, a common complaint has been that flammable brush that should have been cleared (and was largely responsible for the current fire) never was removed due to poor management by the city and excessive environmental regulations. Now consider this 2009 article:

    LOS ANGELES — Federal authorities failed to follow through on plans earlier this year to burn away highly flammable brush in a forest on the edge of Los Angeles to avoid the very kind of wildfire now raging there, The Associated Press has learned.

    Months before the huge blaze erupted, the U.S. Forest Service obtained permits to burn away the undergrowth and brush on more than 1,700 acres of the Angeles National Forest. But just 193 acres had been cleared by the time the fire broke out, Forest Service resource officer Steve Bear said.

    The agency defended its efforts, saying weather, wind and environmental rules tightly limit how often these "prescribed burns" can be conducted.

    Bear said crews using machinery and hand tools managed to trim 5,000 acres in the forest this year before the money ran out. Ideally, "at least a couple thousand more acres" would have been cleared.

    Obtaining the necessary permits is a complicated process, and such efforts often draw protests from environmentalists.

    Biologist Ileene Anderson with the Center for Biological Diversity, an environmental organization, said burn permits should be difficult to get because of the potential damage to air quality. Clearing chaparral by hand or machine must be closely scrutinized because it can hurt native species.

    "Our air quality, for a variety of factors, doesn't need to be further reduced by these controlled burns," she said.

Similarly, in Maui, some of the key issues that led to the 2023 fire were years of neglected brush management (despite everyone warning brush around power lines could spark wildfires), the power lines not being turned off during high winds, neglected infrastructure which caused the fire hydrants in Lahaina to run dry (which has also happened in the recent Los Angeles fires), evacuation routes being blocked by bumped to bumper traffic (due to poor advice from police) and a failure to sound the warning sirens (which led to people not evacuating).

What many do not know is that in 2018, a smaller fire ripped through Lahaina, where concerned residents identified all of these issues, but nothing was ever done to address them (and remarkably, the official report about the 2018 fire failed to even mention any of it).

In turn, I (and many others) believe that if there was any type of accountability (e.g., the other party getting elected after repeated gross failures by the ruling party) these types of things would not happen. Unfortunately, Hawaii, like California, is effectively under Uniparty rule so nothing has ever been done (and to the best of my knowledge, the Lahaina fires did not change things in Hawaii either).

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I've looked at maps and they show that the Pacific Palisades where the biggest fire is--the one most of the media reports talk about--is on the ocean.

My point was also that the ocean lacks the proper infrastructure to pump water into the fire trucks. Reservoirs have hydrants and other equipment for that purpose. 
If ocean water can be quickly gotten into fire trucks, then they ought to do so.