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parentsfortruth · « **Reply #15 on:** April 30, 2009, 12:35:22 PM »

Quote from: Vandaler

Have you not ever considered moving into a country where there is no vaccines program at all if you are so afraid of it ?

That's a wimpy thing to do. I'm going down with the ship. I will live free and die free. I'm not a coward.

Vandaler · « **Reply #16 on:** April 30, 2009, 12:37:58 PM »

Quote from: TheD

How do you undo the negative affects of vaccinations? Or can you?

Well, in this case, there is no vaccines to talk about yet, so to evaluate it's risk is premature. We don't really know the real risk posed by swine flu either, so there is really nothing to compare right now.

The emerging information is that in it's current form, swine flu is not as bad then it was made out to be at first.

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-sci-swine-reality30-2009apr30,0,3606923.story

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #17 on:** April 30, 2009, 12:45:18 PM »

Quote from: Vandaler

The decision to take a vaccine or not is always a balance between the risk posed by the disease you are seeking to avoid, and the side effect risks associated with the vaccine itself.

To hold preconceived ideas that applies to all vaccines and all diseases is foolhardy.

It's even more foolhardy to trust those who have been caught mucking up the vaccines as they have caught the pharmaceuticals. Have you even read about the 3 million Philippine women that were sterilized on account of a tetanus "vaccine"? Not to mention, the Baxter scandal that was out a few months ago, giving "vaccines" to homeless people in Poland, and they DIED. I think you need to do some further investigation.

Here's a good website to look at.

http://healthfreedomUSA.org
http://mercuryxxpoisoned.com/

And many others.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #18 on:** April 30, 2009, 12:47:37 PM »

Quote from: Dawn

You sir are wrong if you think I do not know what I am talking about. I have studied this for 12 years. And there is more damage done by vaccines than not. My children have never had any reason to see a doctor since the day they were born. They are healthy and much healthier than children we associate who have gone through the stalls in the cattle roundup. When it comes to knowing how to take care of my children and my religion I am perhaps as Obsessive Compulsive as you are in finding fault in what we say.
Yes, they want mandatory vaccines and yes ther is a government plan to go door to door and force it.
And just for the record it will be a cold day in Hell before my children are injected with themersol preserved aborted fetal tissue. It is real. How sir you choose to raise your children is up to you, but we here have a diffrent way of thinking and are educated and not alarmists.

Don't let Vandeler get you down. He's one of the debunkers of the 9/11 thing too, and believes the government story. :plant:

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #19 on:** April 30, 2009, 12:50:12 PM »

Quote from: Vandaler

Quote from: TheD
How do you undo the negative affects of vaccinations? Or can you?

Well, in this case, there is no vaccines to talk about yet, so to evaluate it's risk is premature. We don't really know the real risk posed by swine flu either, so there is really nothing to compare right now.

The emerging information is that in it's current form, swine flu is not as bad then it was made out to be at first.

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-sci-swine-reality30-2009apr30,0,3606923.story

And then there was today's story about how it's being minimized.

http://www.infowars.com/texas-doctor-claims-swine-flu-cases-far-worse-than-reported/ :detective:

Vandaler · « **Reply #20 on:** April 30, 2009, 01:19:14 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Don't let Vandeler get you down. He's one of the debunkers of the 9/11 thing too, and believes the government story.

Let's get a few things straight.

* My opinion on 9/11 bears nothing on this new subject. They are separate matters.

* There is hardly any government story. The story here, is that of parents worried about forced immunization. Something I think, there is no basis for, and will not occur.

* I did not put Dawn down, on the contrary. If I did, please show me where and I will correct the matter in apologizing or clarifying.

Parentsfortruth, you are acting all tough and proud in front of an ever receding mirage that is forced immunization. I will certainly not debate you over something that in my deep belief, will not occur, I will simply let time take care of proving me right.

If you are intent in whipping up a frenzy over this, please be my guess... this is the perfect tribune and you will have an audience. I have said my piece.

roscoe · « **Reply #21 on:** April 30, 2009, 01:21:49 PM »

imo, this whole thing is a hoax to flood the media with distractions.

roscoe · « **Reply #22 on:** April 30, 2009, 05:08:51 PM »

The 'Hate' Crimes bill passed the house yesterday with nary a word in MSM.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #23 on:** May 01, 2009, 10:15:50 AM »

So there's no basis, according to you, Vandaler, of thinking the government would pass us a vaccine with malicious intent.

It's been done before. I could give you a plethora of examples. Some of them I cited before, and I'm sure you have a "reasonable" mainstream story debunking it.

Fine, keep your head buried in the sand. Take the vaccine. The government loves you, and wants the best for you.

Nevermind that throughout history, the government has been responsible for the most mass killings in the history of the world. Nevermind campaigns by big corporations like Pampers whenever you buy a package of diapers you give a vaccine, I mean... sterilizing agent, to a poor woman in some poor country. Nevermind that the cervical cancer vaccine is killing girls and young ladies and it's been okayed by the FDA as "safe and effective."

:sheep:

Vandaler · « **Reply #24 on:** May 01, 2009, 10:36:45 AM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

So there's no basis, according to you, Vandaler, of thinking the government would pass us a vaccine with malicious intent.

Strawman, that is not what I said, so my opinion on the matter is irrelevant.

What I said is that there is no reasons to believe that anyone would be forced to take a vaccine. Dawn believes that and I am trying to save her the anguish, while you seem to to encourage it by encouraging her.

Vandaler · « **Reply #25 on:** May 01, 2009, 01:26:09 PM »

Quote from: Vandaler

Dawn believes that and I am trying to save her the anguish, while you seem to to encourage it by encouraging her.

I meant...

Dawn believes it, and I am trying to save her some unnecessary stress, while you seem to to encourage it.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #26 on:** May 01, 2009, 03:11:30 PM »

I'm going under the same stress she is, excuse me. My fifth will be here in July. Her reaction is NORMAL for any person that's not a complete zombie out there.

Vandaler · « **Reply #27 on:** May 01, 2009, 03:25:55 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

I'm going under the same stress she is, excuse me. My fifth will be here in July. Her reaction is NORMAL for any person that's not a complete zombie out there.

Congratulations on your fifth.

It's here as well by the way, in Montreal. You likely think I am a zombie not to be stressed out. But I assure you, I am planning on having a superb weekend. You will not be insulted if I wish you the same I hope.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #28 on:** May 01, 2009, 04:00:57 PM »

You think because I have suspicious about my Illuminati run government, I don't have a good life and I'm paranoid or something. You're sorely mistaken.

I enjoy life, and my children and what God has given me. I don't live in fear. I make my decisions, and I stick to them, in light of information. From the track record of the scuм running things, I'm not going along with a vaccine.

We're extremely healthy here, and I doubt the flu will even get to us because our immune systems are great because we eat organic food, and exercise and pray. So even if it did hit, it would be mild, and we would survive, but injecting toxic vaccination into our veins will not increase our chances, as our bodies are well-equipped to handle sickness.

You've really got the wrong idea about us, like we're schizophrenics or something. I feel bad for YOU. Nonetheless, have a good weekend.

Dawn · « **Reply #29 on:** May 01, 2009, 04:27:08 PM »

My nephews have been forced to take prozac in the public school system. That or child service would take them from my sister's.Yes two diffrent sisters, two different school systems.
In one school the teachers would go from table to table at lunch taking away the food mom packed and replacing it with something "acceptable."

Parents, God Bless you and your coming baby, How wonderful. I six of my own ages 17.5 to 7, and two 25 year old step-sons. One in Japan with Navy, one in California with the Marines. He served two tours in Sunny Iraq.

My daughters friend is here tonight. He is a 19 year on leave from Iraq. We are having a great evening. The young man went to the local butcher and bought T-Bone steaks to grill.

So, yes, I am aware but not hiding in a sanitized room somewhere with a bottle of spray Clorox.

It is only because persons like Parent and myself keep ourselves aware of what is going on in the world that I have been able to do my job as mother. As I said earlier, we DO NOT go to the doctor. Everyone is healthy. I have two sons on the autism spectrum (one who would be given a ritalin/prozac I.V. drip if he went to public school, I guarantee that.) Still, with vitamins, discipline and love we are doing well.