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Traditional Catholic Faith => Health and Nutrition => Topic started by: Dawn on April 29, 2009, 04:50:52 PM
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As of today there are atleast two confirmed cases in my town of Geneva Illinois.
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I heard they've upgraded it to a level 5 now. Just a matter of time (God forbid) they start forcing people to get vaccinated.
Question: What will you do if they come to your door and threaten to take your children away if you do not get them vaccinated?
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One confirmed case in Milwaukee.
Uggh.
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Is that where you are from? I have read that they are seriously thinking of martial law to enforce quarentine. So, that is a good question. I will not allow anyone into my house period. We should have rights. Should have. Guess that is a thing of the past. I do not allow my children to be immunized. I will try with all my might and pray to make my family invisible to them when they come. What will you do? Do you think this is coming?
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If this isn't it, this is a practice exercise for what's coming when this thing mutates into a "full blown" thing, or something else comes out. I'm not from Milwaukee, I'm from north of there.
My husband and I discussed it, and if they try to force their way over here, and make our children take a vaccine, they'll have to walk over our dead bodies before they do.
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Have you not ever considered moving into a country where there is no vaccines program at all if you are so afraid of it ?
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Mark Glenn(SSPX)is on RBN at this time saying that the Swine Flu scare is phoney and being used by the media to cover up a breaking Israeli spy scandal involving Jane Harmon and others. He has pointed out that about 100 people a day die from some form of Flu in the US on a normal basis.
Strange because Kevin James has been on KRLA the past few nights saying that the Swine scare is being used to cover up the AF One- NYC debacle.
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Vandaler, what flu scare, what level 6 pandemic scare, what laws that are being passed in America faster than you can blink, all of them taking aware freedom and surely pushing us into a socialist/communist state. I am sure that we are still imagining these things as you have always pointed out to us.
You have to have money to move. And I do love America, and up until know have been able to just say no to vaccines. That is until the new administration that will change all that.
But I will not worry because you have always told us that we were funny and not thinking straight. So, if I step into the looking glass and drink the little bottle of potion on the table I too will be in wonderland.
Further comments by me will be to those discussing the flu and the REAL remifictions of this.
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Vandaler, what flu scare, what level 6 pandemic scare, what laws that are being passed in America faster than you can blink, all of them taking aware freedom and surely pushing us into a socialist/communist state. I am sure that we are still imagining these things as you have always pointed out to us.
I personally don't see the link between vaccines and freedom. There is no vaccines against swine flu anyhow as of yet, so any scare in that regards is overblown.
You have to have money to move. And I do love America, and up until know have been able to just say no to vaccines. That is until the new administration that will change all that.
You have been able to say no to vaccines because most families complies with them. It is the good citizenry of others that permits those who choose not to do it to get away with it safely. Who cares if a kid is not vaccinated when he plays 20 others that are. If no one gets vaccinated, we would be back to fighting diseases that have been by and large eradicated.
Your certainty that this Adminsitration will force vacciantions everyone is not supported in facts.
But I will not worry because you have always told us that we were funny and not thinking straight. So, if I step into the looking glass and drink the little bottle of potion on the table I too will be in wonderland.
I urge you to worry less, not more.
Further comments by me will be to those discussing the flu and the REAL remifictions of this.
The only REAL ramifications you can discuss are those that you KNOW. And knowledge does not come out of your worst fears and prejudice, but rather by facts that you can verify.
I know I come across as a bully, or as someone that ridicule, but I always extend the same respect I am given. I don't mean to down play you Dawn, I am just trying to enrich you with another point of view, something I feel you do not expose yourself to very much.
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Actually, there is ample evidence that vaccines haven't done much to help eradicate any disease.
"We've eradicated many diseases because of vaccines" is a common myth, but a myth nonetheless.
The facts are that better sanitation, sewage treatment, drinking water treatment, hygeine, etc. would have wiped out several diseases 50 or 100 years ago, with or without vaccines.
Moreover -- even smallpox, which has MOSTLY been wiped out as a communicable disease, is being "kept alive" by our wonderful government. So even "eradicating disease" is a moot point when you have psychopaths at the helm of government around the world -- especially psychopaths that are known openly to favor reducing the world's population drastically.
Matthew
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The decision to take a vaccine or not is always a balance between the risk posed by the disease you are seeking to avoid, and the side effect risks associated with the vaccine itself.
To hold preconceived ideas that applies to all vaccines and all diseases is foolhardy.
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I concede that there might be a few vaccines that are worth the risk, especially if you limit the discussion to healthy adults.
However, the whole idea of "well visits" (which didn't exist 50 years ago, by the way) and giving children under 2 years old -- and as young as 10 days old -- "combination" vaccines for all kinds of diseases -- that is totally insane.
In ALL cases, the combo vaccine was never tested. The individual vaccines might have been, but not the combination. That alone is serious. Then there's the issue of aluminum, mercury, and other "heavy metals" that accuмulate in the brain being present in the vaccines.
Matthew
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You sir are wrong if you think I do not know what I am talking about. I have studied this for 12 years. And there is more damage done by vaccines than not. My children have never had any reason to see a doctor since the day they were born. They are healthy and much healthier than children we associate who have gone through the stalls in the cattle roundup. When it comes to knowing how to take care of my children and my religion I am perhaps as Obsessive Compulsive as you are in finding fault in what we say.
Yes, they want mandatory vaccines and yes ther is a government plan to go door to door and force it.
And just for the record it will be a cold day in Hell before my children are injected with themersol preserved aborted fetal tissue. It is real. How sir you choose to raise your children is up to you, but we here have a diffrent way of thinking and are educated and not alarmists.
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When it comes to knowing how to take care of my children and my religion I am perhaps as Obsessive Compulsive as you are in finding fault in what we say.
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Cool sentence.
Yes, they want mandatory vaccines and yes there is a government plan to go door to door and force it.
I appreciate your passion, but I believe you are wrong. We shall see soon enough.
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How do you undo the negative affects of vaccinations? Or can you?
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Have you not ever considered moving into a country where there is no vaccines program at all if you are so afraid of it ?
That's a wimpy thing to do. I'm going down with the ship. I will live free and die free. I'm not a coward.
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How do you undo the negative affects of vaccinations? Or can you?
Well, in this case, there is no vaccines to talk about yet, so to evaluate it's risk is premature. We don't really know the real risk posed by swine flu either, so there is really nothing to compare right now.
The emerging information is that in it's current form, swine flu is not as bad then it was made out to be at first.
http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-sci-swine-reality30-2009apr30,0,3606923.story
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The decision to take a vaccine or not is always a balance between the risk posed by the disease you are seeking to avoid, and the side effect risks associated with the vaccine itself.
To hold preconceived ideas that applies to all vaccines and all diseases is foolhardy.
It's even more foolhardy to trust those who have been caught mucking up the vaccines as they have caught the pharmaceuticals. Have you even read about the 3 million Philippine women that were sterilized on account of a tetanus "vaccine"? Not to mention, the Baxter scandal that was out a few months ago, giving "vaccines" to homeless people in Poland, and they DIED. I think you need to do some further investigation.
Here's a good website to look at.
http://healthfreedomUSA.org
http://mercuryxxpoisoned.com/
And many others.
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You sir are wrong if you think I do not know what I am talking about. I have studied this for 12 years. And there is more damage done by vaccines than not. My children have never had any reason to see a doctor since the day they were born. They are healthy and much healthier than children we associate who have gone through the stalls in the cattle roundup. When it comes to knowing how to take care of my children and my religion I am perhaps as Obsessive Compulsive as you are in finding fault in what we say.
Yes, they want mandatory vaccines and yes ther is a government plan to go door to door and force it.
And just for the record it will be a cold day in Hell before my children are injected with themersol preserved aborted fetal tissue. It is real. How sir you choose to raise your children is up to you, but we here have a diffrent way of thinking and are educated and not alarmists.
Don't let Vandeler get you down. He's one of the debunkers of the 9/11 thing too, and believes the government story. :plant:
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How do you undo the negative affects of vaccinations? Or can you?
Well, in this case, there is no vaccines to talk about yet, so to evaluate it's risk is premature. We don't really know the real risk posed by swine flu either, so there is really nothing to compare right now.
The emerging information is that in it's current form, swine flu is not as bad then it was made out to be at first.
http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-sci-swine-reality30-2009apr30,0,3606923.story
And then there was today's story about how it's being minimized.
http://www.infowars.com/texas-doctor-claims-swine-flu-cases-far-worse-than-reported/ :detective:
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Don't let Vandeler get you down. He's one of the debunkers of the 9/11 thing too, and believes the government story.
Let's get a few things straight.
* My opinion on 9/11 bears nothing on this new subject. They are separate matters.
* There is hardly any government story. The story here, is that of parents worried about forced immunization. Something I think, there is no basis for, and will not occur.
* I did not put Dawn down, on the contrary. If I did, please show me where and I will correct the matter in apologizing or clarifying.
Parentsfortruth, you are acting all tough and proud in front of an ever receding mirage that is forced immunization. I will certainly not debate you over something that in my deep belief, will not occur, I will simply let time take care of proving me right.
If you are intent in whipping up a frenzy over this, please be my guess... this is the perfect tribune and you will have an audience. I have said my piece.
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imo, this whole thing is a hoax to flood the media with distractions.
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The 'Hate' Crimes bill passed the house yesterday with nary a word in MSM.
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So there's no basis, according to you, Vandaler, of thinking the government would pass us a vaccine with malicious intent.
It's been done before. I could give you a plethora of examples. Some of them I cited before, and I'm sure you have a "reasonable" mainstream story debunking it.
Fine, keep your head buried in the sand. Take the vaccine. The government loves you, and wants the best for you.
Nevermind that throughout history, the government has been responsible for the most mass killings in the history of the world. Nevermind campaigns by big corporations like Pampers whenever you buy a package of diapers you give a vaccine, I mean... sterilizing agent, to a poor woman in some poor country. Nevermind that the cervical cancer vaccine is killing girls and young ladies and it's been okayed by the FDA as "safe and effective."
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So there's no basis, according to you, Vandaler, of thinking the government would pass us a vaccine with malicious intent.
Strawman, that is not what I said, so my opinion on the matter is irrelevant.
What I said is that there is no reasons to believe that anyone would be forced to take a vaccine. Dawn believes that and I am trying to save her the anguish, while you seem to to encourage it by encouraging her.
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Dawn believes that and I am trying to save her the anguish, while you seem to to encourage it by encouraging her.
I meant...
Dawn believes it, and I am trying to save her some unnecessary stress, while you seem to to encourage it.
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I'm going under the same stress she is, excuse me. My fifth will be here in July. Her reaction is NORMAL for any person that's not a complete zombie out there.
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I'm going under the same stress she is, excuse me. My fifth will be here in July. Her reaction is NORMAL for any person that's not a complete zombie out there.
Congratulations on your fifth.
It's here as well by the way, in Montreal. You likely think I am a zombie not to be stressed out. But I assure you, I am planning on having a superb weekend. You will not be insulted if I wish you the same I hope.
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You think because I have suspicious about my Illuminati run government, I don't have a good life and I'm paranoid or something. You're sorely mistaken.
I enjoy life, and my children and what God has given me. I don't live in fear. I make my decisions, and I stick to them, in light of information. From the track record of the scuм running things, I'm not going along with a vaccine.
We're extremely healthy here, and I doubt the flu will even get to us because our immune systems are great because we eat organic food, and exercise and pray. So even if it did hit, it would be mild, and we would survive, but injecting toxic vaccination into our veins will not increase our chances, as our bodies are well-equipped to handle sickness.
You've really got the wrong idea about us, like we're schizophrenics or something. I feel bad for YOU. Nonetheless, have a good weekend.
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My nephews have been forced to take prozac in the public school system. That or child service would take them from my sister's.Yes two diffrent sisters, two different school systems.
In one school the teachers would go from table to table at lunch taking away the food mom packed and replacing it with something "acceptable."
Parents, God Bless you and your coming baby, How wonderful. I six of my own ages 17.5 to 7, and two 25 year old step-sons. One in Japan with Navy, one in California with the Marines. He served two tours in Sunny Iraq.
My daughters friend is here tonight. He is a 19 year on leave from Iraq. We are having a great evening. The young man went to the local butcher and bought T-Bone steaks to grill.
So, yes, I am aware but not hiding in a sanitized room somewhere with a bottle of spray Clorox.
It is only because persons like Parent and myself keep ourselves aware of what is going on in the world that I have been able to do my job as mother. As I said earlier, we DO NOT go to the doctor. Everyone is healthy. I have two sons on the autism spectrum (one who would be given a ritalin/prozac I.V. drip if he went to public school, I guarantee that.) Still, with vitamins, discipline and love we are doing well.
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My nephews have been forced to take prozac in the public school system. That or child service would take them from my sister's.Yes two diffrent sisters, two different school systems.
In one school the teachers would go from table to table at lunch taking away the food mom packed and replacing it with something "acceptable."
Parents, God Bless you and your coming baby, How wonderful. I six of my own ages 17.5 to 7, and two 25 year old step-sons. One in Japan with Navy, one in California with the Marines. He served two tours in Sunny Iraq.
My daughters friend is here tonight. He is a 19 year on leave from Iraq. We are having a great evening. The young man went to the local butcher and bought T-Bone steaks to grill.
So, yes, I am aware but not hiding in a sanitized room somewhere with a bottle of spray Clorox.
It is only because persons like Parent and myself keep ourselves aware of what is going on in the world that I have been able to do my job as mother. As I said earlier, we DO NOT go to the doctor. Everyone is healthy. I have two sons on the autism spectrum (one who would be given a ritalin/prozac I.V. drip if he went to public school, I guarantee that.) Still, with vitamins, discipline and love we are doing well.
Yes, and WE shouldn't WORRY because our government LOVES us and we're all going to be just hunkey dorey fine. :rolleyes:
Thank God all my children are healthy. My oldest is almost 11, and my youngest (sans the baby coming in July) is four.
During Christmas this year, there was a pageant at church and we all got together in the smaller building that used to be the church (before that, it was a garage) and we ended up getting sick on Christmas. Other than that, we've not been sick since a year prior to that. Homeschooling and good food are awesome to prevent sickness.
I have a sister that has two children with autistic things going on. Neither of them could speak until they were six or so, so I understand what you mean.
They did this experiment with the food in Wisconsin, (not where I live unfortunately) where they tried organic food on the children, and they had a MARKED improvement in their behavior.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/school/hopkins21705.cfm
http://www.examiner.com/x-6495-National-Intelligence-Examiner~y2009m4d29-School-Diet-Change-Brings-Improved-Behavior-Healthier-More-Focused-Students
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I have two sons on the autism spectrum (one who would be given a ritalin/prozac I.V. drip if he went to public school, I guarantee that.) Still, with vitamins, discipline and love we are doing well.
If you don't vaccinate and still have two with mild autism, do you have any thoughts on the origin of autism? I'd like to think it's caused by vaccines so that I won't ever have to worry about it with my kids.
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That is a question that has perplexed me. Then I began to wonder. Are they un-vaccinated? John (8) and Joseph (7) were both premature. I have Inthrahepatic Choleostasis (sp) any way you can learn about it at "itchymoms". And, so they had to be induced. Now there is talk about that causing problems with children as well as the epiderals that I received being linked to behaviour problems. Also, my husband and I wondered if when in Neonatal, they were given shots by the well meaning doctors. And, I do mean well meaning. They were three great people who took care of my children. Still, if they have it ingrained that these things are good and safe, and worried that these little babies are going out with no vaccines in their future why not issue them while under their care. It is possible. But, no I really think it comes from early birth, induction, epiderals.
Now, my only child who scored a perfect Apgar score at birth is Thomas (11). He has Cerebral Palsey. Why? I do not know. I can drive myself crazy wondering, blaming myself. We took him into Chicago for testing. The tests could not find one reason for my son to suffer with this. Then, my sister Dana said, maybe God asked him in the womb to be a victim soul, to suffer for Christ and Tom said yes. That is a beautiful thought.
If I sit and think of my life all at once (I have Multiple Sclerosis), it overwhelms me. What with homeschool and lack of money and taking care of my 93 year old Grandmother (Do you know what an honor it is that God let her live this long for me to have her by me?). So, I say to God, you know each of my children, you know me (flawed beyond belief) I trust you to steer this rickety ship of ours safely.
I am also blessed in my husband. He is not the type to "get involved in schooling." However, he supports me and is a very steady man to my choleric-melancholic moods.
Happy, you bet I am.
Anyway, Mater I hope I answered your questions.
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But if you were vaccinated when you were young can you undo the effects of it!?
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Theoretically, no, if it's neurological, probably not. If mercury is the culprit, it sits in part of your brain and there's no way to get rid of it. You can lessen the damage sustained with good nutrition, but once it's done, it's done. Thank you, eugenics.
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Can some one please tell me the bad effects of vaccines in a simple language?
What about other injections? penycilin and others?