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Offline Marion

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Re: Comedian Mocks Jesus and Collapses Immediately
« Reply #75 on: February 15, 2022, 02:21:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on February 13, 2022, 09:59:35 AM
    She didn't learn a thing. Nothing. Just one big joke to her. :facepalm:


    Finally she did learn something.




    Start at 1'03".
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    Re: Comedian Mocks Jesus and Collapses Immediately
    « Reply #76 on: February 15, 2022, 02:29:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marion on February 15, 2022, 02:21:29 PM

    Finally she did learn something.




    Start at 1'03".
    That's good at least.  Prayers for her that she learns all she needs to. 
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    Re: Comedian Mocks Jesus and Collapses Immediately
    « Reply #77 on: February 15, 2022, 03:13:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: B from A on February 15, 2022, 02:29:42 PM
    That's good at least.  Prayers for her that she learns all she needs to.
    They're still a couple of morons:

    Dr Drew: "I still think it's worth the risk"

    Heather: "I don't think I'm going to get the 4th shot".
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    Re: Comedian Mocks Jesus and Collapses Immediately
    « Reply #78 on: February 15, 2022, 05:20:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on February 15, 2022, 03:13:05 PM
    They're still a couple of morons:

    Dr Drew: "I still think it's worth the risk"

    Heather: "I don't think I'm going to get the 4th shot".
    Still poor Heather is learning. Some people learn more slowly than others.
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    Re: Comedian Mocks Jesus and Collapses Immediately
    « Reply #79 on: February 16, 2022, 10:43:14 AM »
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    • Do we really think she blasphemed? What she said was irreverent, certainly, but not all irreverence is blasphemy. Was waiting for the thread to die down a little to ask that question. 

    My question, to be clear, is not meant to suggest what she said was good or right. It was neither. Just wondering if blasphemy is the correct category for it. 
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    Re: Comedian Mocks Jesus and Collapses Immediately
    « Reply #80 on: February 16, 2022, 11:35:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on February 16, 2022, 10:43:14 AM
    Do we really think she blasphemed? What she said was irreverent, certainly, but not all irreverence is blasphemy. Was waiting for the thread to die down a little to ask that question.

    My question, to be clear, is not meant to suggest what she said was good or right. It was neither. Just wondering if blasphemy is the correct category for it.
    Thou shalt not use the Lord thy God's Name in vain.

    I'm seeing two senses of vain use of God's Name in her statement "Jesus loves me"

    Vain: 2. proceeding from or showing pride in or concern about one's appearance, qualities, etc.; resulting from or displaying vanity:
    4. without real significance, value, or importance; baseless or worthless

    Saying "Jesus loves me" is innocuous in itself because it can be said in a pious sense, or it can be said in an irreverent sense. She clearly uses it in the latter sense here. As 1. she is using the Lord's Name to bolster her own self-worth (pride), and 2. As if the Holy Name of Jesus were some worthless prop for her act. Most people use His Name in this latter sense with the widespread JC/GD curses on many people's tongues, which is obvious blasphemy.

    So, based on this irreverent intent, in my opinion, it constitutes blasphemy.
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    Re: Comedian Mocks Jesus and Collapses Immediately
    « Reply #81 on: February 16, 2022, 04:08:52 PM »
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    • Based on my reading of McHugh and Callan Moral Theology, I believe her mockingly use of the Name of God constitutes non-heretical external blasphemy:

    889. Internal blasphemy does not differ from unbelief or disrespect for God. We are concerned here, therefore, only with external blasphemy, which is contrary to the external profession of faith. External blasphemy is opposed to faith either directly (by denying what is of faith) or indirectly (by showing disrespect to what is of faith), and hence it is either heretical or non-heretical.

    (a) Heretical blasphemy affirms about God something false, or denies about Him something true. The false affirmation is made directly, when some created imperfection is attributed to God, or indirectly, when some divine perfection is attributed to a creature. Example: It is heretical blasphemy to affirm that God is a tyrant or the cause of sin, or that man is able to overcome God. It is also heretical blasphemy to deny that God is able to perform miracles, that His testimony is true, etc.
    (b) Non-heretical blasphemy affirms or denies something about God according to truth, but in a mocking or blaming way. This sin is opposed, therefore, to reverence rather than to faith, and will be treated later among the sins against the virtue of religion (see Vol. II). Example: A person in anger at God says scornfully: "God is good!"
    890. The nature of heretical blasphemy will better appear, if we compare it with other kinds of speech disrespectful to God.
    (a) It differs from maledictions or curses, (e.g., "May God destroy you!"), because the one directly offended in blasphemy is God Himself, while in a curse it is some creature of God.
    (b) It differs from non-heretical blasphemy, from perjury and disregard of vow, from vain use of the name of God, because none of these necessarily proceeds from a lack of faith, as does heretical blasphemy. Non-heretical blasphemy proceeds from hatred or contempt of God, perjury from presumption, disregard of vow from disobedience, vain use of the Divine Name from irreverence.


    897. Different kinds of blasphemy must be noted with reference to the duty of confession.

    [a] There are three distinct species of blasphemy—non-heretical, which is opposed to the virtue of religion; heretical, which is opposed to religion and faith; diabolical, which is opposed to religion, faith and the precept to love God. These species should be distinguished in confession. Examples: Titus, angered because his Patron Saint did not obtain a favor for him, ironically turns the Saint's picture to the wall, saying: "You have great influence with God!" (non-heretical blasphemy). Balbus in similar circuмstances said: "I have lost all faith in Saints" (heretical blasphemy). Sempronia, Whose child has just died, rebels against God and calls Him a cruel monster (diabolical blasphemy).
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    Re: Comedian Mocks Jesus and Collapses Immediately
    « Reply #82 on: February 16, 2022, 05:19:45 PM »
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    • Thanks 2vt. Good stuff. I agree. 
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    Re: Comedian Mocks Jesus and Collapses Immediately
    « Reply #83 on: February 16, 2022, 05:25:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mithrandylan on February 16, 2022, 05:19:45 PM
    Thanks 2vt. Good stuff. I agree.
    You're welcome Mith.  Your question was a good one!  Sometimes it's not so clear cut.
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