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Husband and wife at impasse: to vaccinate the kids or not??
« on: August 03, 2023, 01:00:27 PM »
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  • Has anyone had this experience, personally, and how did you reach a decision?? Apart from prayer. 

    We have drastically different opinions about the safety /necessity of childhood vaccines. We are expecting our first child soon, and this question is looming over us. My research makes me against them;  he is “for” all of them.

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    Re: Husband and wife at impasse: to vaccinate the kids or not??
    « Reply #1 on: August 03, 2023, 01:03:01 PM »
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  • As an aside, this is one of the things couples should do while they're courting. Not just sightseeing, eating out, and mindless fun. Courtship is serious business; it's when you get to know each other's backgrounds, to figure out how compatible you are.

    Issues like money, lifestyle, the education of children, family size, can make or break a marriage. Some things can be compromised on; but other things really can't (you can't send half the kids to public school, and the other half to homeschool. Same for vaccines)
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    Re: Husband and wife at impasse: to vaccinate the kids or not??
    « Reply #2 on: August 03, 2023, 01:29:48 PM »
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  • Has anyone had this experience, personally, and how did you reach a decision?? Apart from prayer.

    We have drastically different opinions about the safety /necessity of childhood vaccines. We are expecting our first child soon, and this question is looming over us. My research makes me against them;  he is “for” all of them.
    Have you shared docuмented facts with him? Decades ago, our daughter in law was aware of very limited research (at that time) against vaccines, but our son dismissed what she said. Their oldest son has Aspergers now. Your future children are worth fighting for. Do you pray together? If not, that would be a good first step.
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    Re: Husband and wife at impasse: to vaccinate the kids or not??
    « Reply #3 on: August 03, 2023, 01:47:42 PM »
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  • As an aside, this is one of the things couples should do while they're courting. Not just sightseeing, eating out, and mindless fun. Courtship is serious business; it's when you get to know each other's backgrounds, to figure out how compatible you are.

    Issues like money, lifestyle, the education of children, family size, can make or break a marriage. Some things can be compromised on; but other things really can't (you can't send half the kids to public school, and the other half to homeschool. Same for vaccines)
    To be fair Matthew, even if couples have these conversations with good intentions prior to marriage, things can look very different once they are actually dealing with these things as a married couple.  

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    Re: Husband and wife at impasse: to vaccinate the kids or not??
    « Reply #4 on: August 03, 2023, 01:50:16 PM »
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  • Have you shared docuмented facts with him? Decades ago, our daughter in law was aware of very limited research (at that time) against vaccines, but our son dismissed what she said. Their oldest son has Aspergers now. Your future children are worth fighting for. Do you pray together? If not, that would be a good first step.
    We are both lifelong traditional Catholics, and yes we pray often. He disregards any research that isn't done by the big "approved" agencies, and calls everything else a conspiracy theory. Like I said... we're at an impasse. I agree, children are worth fighting for. We both see things from a totally different perspective. I just don't know where it ends. What if he tries to have it done against my will? What if he resents me forever for resisting? Would the traditional Church say a husband gets final say on all medical matters for the children?


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    Re: Husband and wife at impasse: to vaccinate the kids or not??
    « Reply #5 on: August 03, 2023, 01:55:22 PM »
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  • To be fair Matthew, even if couples have these conversations with good intentions prior to marriage, things can look very different once they are actually dealing with these things as a married couple. 
    This. ^^

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    Re: Husband and wife at impasse: to vaccinate the kids or not??
    « Reply #6 on: August 03, 2023, 01:56:53 PM »
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  • You could show him materials and docuмentaries? Also, you can read the vaccine inserts and see the warnings and side effects. 

    I thought this was pretty good. 
    Candace Owens (A Shot in the Dark series) 
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/jxm2mGiyzVlt/

    Docuмentary: Vaxxed

    I think I was vaccine-injured since i have auto-immune issues and random allergies (to pineapple, kiwi, some nuts). The doctors told me it was maybe genetics but no-one in my family has them. And, there is a high rate of autism these days which no one can explain. Also, I think it's gross how they give a 2 month-old so many at once. My baby (11 weeks now) was never injected with anything and she's doing good. 

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    Re: Husband and wife at impasse: to vaccinate the kids or not??
    « Reply #7 on: August 03, 2023, 02:01:17 PM »
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  • To be fair Matthew, even if couples have these conversations with good intentions prior to marriage, things can look very different once they are actually dealing with these things as a married couple. 

    Yes, even if you discuss important issues during courtship, SOME couples will have problems with SOME of the important issues of life.
    But if you fail to discuss the issues before marriage, ALL will have problems with MANY of them.

    See the difference? It's about increasing your chances and doing your due diligence -- not trying to get a "guarantee". Nothing is guaranteed in life. There are always curve balls.

    It reminds me of another example --
    If you are able to stand up against, say, mask mandates in 2020 (which is relatively easy I'll admit), you MIGHT make it through tortures during a Catholic persecution in 2040 (I'm just picking a date for the sake of argument).

    But if you can't go in maskless into a wal-mart in 2020, facing the ire of middle-aged suburban white women with short haircuts, and elderly door greeters, then you are CERTAINLY not going to do well in a real persecution.

    He who can do the lesser, MIGHT be able to do the greater.
    He who can't even do the lesser, will certainly not be able to do the greater.
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    Re: Husband and wife at impasse: to vaccinate the kids or not??
    « Reply #8 on: August 03, 2023, 02:06:21 PM »
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  • Yes, even if you discuss important issues during courtship, SOME couples will have problems with SOME of the important issues of life.
    But if you fail to discuss the issues before marriage, ALL will have problems with MANY of them.

    See the difference? It's about increasing your chances and doing your due diligence -- not trying to get a "guarantee". Nothing is guaranteed in life. There are always curve balls.
    Of course.  I'm obviously not saying that couples shouldn't bother having these conversations prior to marriage.  My point is what one thought they believed about raising kids (for example) may end up being very different when they actually HAVE children.


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    Re: Husband and wife at impasse: to vaccinate the kids or not??
    « Reply #9 on: August 03, 2023, 02:12:52 PM »
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  • We have 9 kids, and no:

    autism
    allergies
    frequent earaches
    gut issues
    auto-immune issues

    Statistically that's impossible, given the numbers for the current year. Look at any public school classroom of 25 kids, and see how many cases of the above you observe in nature.

    (Our oldest got a few vaccines before 6 months, but that was it)

    The # of vaccines given to kids by age 5 spiked highly between the "children of the 80's" and the current age. You should google it. It's a common fact. And that's when the FDA overhauled the US requirements for food labeling. Who remembers the food labels BEFORE this change? Hint: there was no section for allergens.

    Contains: nuts, soy, wheat, milk

    In bold at the end of every ingredient list.

    I frequently tell people about my own experience in public school. In 2nd grade, we had a field trip during which we "auctioned off" 25 sack lunches, one for each child. The bidding was capped at 50 cents. My point? Could you imagine the lawsuits, the number of epi-pens needed, the number of ambulances that would show up if they had an event like this today? They would NEVER do such a thing now. Too many allergies among the children. AND WHY? It's not because of smartphones. It's certainly not because of electricity or pollution; we had plenty of those in the 80's (We're talking about the 1980s, not the Old West). What has changed from the 80's to today? Which of those things could POSSIBLY explain the skyrocketing incidence of autism and the other things listed above?
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    Re: Husband and wife at impasse: to vaccinate the kids or not??
    « Reply #10 on: August 03, 2023, 02:13:07 PM »
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  • You might want to investigate and then share with him which are actual vaccines (and might they probably be necessary) and how many are just "shots".
    In the past three years we're calling everything a vaccine when in fact it's not.
    No one ever called a flu shot a flu vaccine not even the medical profession.  Shots are just foreign substances concocted in a lab.
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    Re: Husband and wife at impasse: to vaccinate the kids or not??
    « Reply #11 on: August 03, 2023, 02:37:35 PM »
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  • We are both lifelong traditional Catholics, and yes we pray often. He disregards any research that isn't done by the big "approved" agencies, and calls everything else a conspiracy theory. Like I said... we're at an impasse. I agree, children are worth fighting for. We both see things from a totally different perspective. I just don't know where it ends. What if he tries to have it done against my will? What if he resents me forever for resisting? Would the traditional Church say a husband gets final say on all medical matters for the children?
    He needs to watch some presentations to wake him up. Maybe this one would be a good start: https://youtu.be/mhOOziH7QAo?t=1442
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    Re: Husband and wife at impasse: to vaccinate the kids or not??
    « Reply #12 on: August 03, 2023, 02:49:11 PM »
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  • My husband and I never really had this conversation.  However, I started off with a few minimal vaxxes for my children, but was already firmly in the "no" camp for any abortion derived vaccine.  My husband was fine with that although then he was fine with vaccines in general.  Now I am 100% against all vaccines and he is on-board enough to not fight about it.  I don't know what I would do if he ultimately disagreed on this issue, other than provide as much material as possible to convince him.

    Honesty, given what I know now, I wish I could do it all over again and kept all vaxxes from my kids. 

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    Re: Husband and wife at impasse: to vaccinate the kids or not??
    « Reply #13 on: August 03, 2023, 02:59:32 PM »
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  • Is there any catholic teaching about husbands taking a woman's, the wife's, intuition into consideration? Men are quite reasonable, but easily get stubbornly stuck in erroneous conclusions.

    Maybe your husband needs to chat with a few male Cath Info members. The fact that politicians and the medical industry is so highly paid and seeks after much money, and gets involved in these lines of work for the money in most cases should be plenty enough evidence to find them suspicious. What would he think of a pope who wants to be pope? The last saint pope we had was surprised at and protested his election due to his humility. Everything these days is designed to make a few richer at the expense of the many, and the most successful work together sponsoring each other,making mutually beneficial deals and such.
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    Re: Husband and wife at impasse: to vaccinate the kids or not??
    « Reply #14 on: August 03, 2023, 03:05:30 PM »
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  • You would have to be a complete moron to vax your children after all that's come to light in the last 3 years.  Also while we're on the subject of bad parental decisions circuмcision is another one that alot of Catholics fall for that too.  As if it wasn't specifically mentioned at the Council of Jerusalem.

    I always jokingly tell my kids to thank Alex Jones for their lack of autism.