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Traditional Catholic Faith => Health and Nutrition => Topic started by: forgetmenot3 on August 03, 2023, 01:00:27 PM
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Has anyone had this experience, personally, and how did you reach a decision?? Apart from prayer.
We have drastically different opinions about the safety /necessity of childhood vaccines. We are expecting our first child soon, and this question is looming over us. My research makes me against them; he is “for” all of them.
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As an aside, this is one of the things couples should do while they're courting. Not just sightseeing, eating out, and mindless fun. Courtship is serious business; it's when you get to know each other's backgrounds, to figure out how compatible you are.
Issues like money, lifestyle, the education of children, family size, can make or break a marriage. Some things can be compromised on; but other things really can't (you can't send half the kids to public school, and the other half to homeschool. Same for vaccines)
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Has anyone had this experience, personally, and how did you reach a decision?? Apart from prayer.
We have drastically different opinions about the safety /necessity of childhood vaccines. We are expecting our first child soon, and this question is looming over us. My research makes me against them; he is “for” all of them.
Have you shared docuмented facts with him? Decades ago, our daughter in law was aware of very limited research (at that time) against vaccines, but our son dismissed what she said. Their oldest son has Aspergers now. Your future children are worth fighting for. Do you pray together? If not, that would be a good first step.
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As an aside, this is one of the things couples should do while they're courting. Not just sightseeing, eating out, and mindless fun. Courtship is serious business; it's when you get to know each other's backgrounds, to figure out how compatible you are.
Issues like money, lifestyle, the education of children, family size, can make or break a marriage. Some things can be compromised on; but other things really can't (you can't send half the kids to public school, and the other half to homeschool. Same for vaccines)
To be fair Matthew, even if couples have these conversations with good intentions prior to marriage, things can look very different once they are actually dealing with these things as a married couple.
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Have you shared docuмented facts with him? Decades ago, our daughter in law was aware of very limited research (at that time) against vaccines, but our son dismissed what she said. Their oldest son has Aspergers now. Your future children are worth fighting for. Do you pray together? If not, that would be a good first step.
We are both lifelong traditional Catholics, and yes we pray often. He disregards any research that isn't done by the big "approved" agencies, and calls everything else a conspiracy theory. Like I said... we're at an impasse. I agree, children are worth fighting for. We both see things from a totally different perspective. I just don't know where it ends. What if he tries to have it done against my will? What if he resents me forever for resisting? Would the traditional Church say a husband gets final say on all medical matters for the children?
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To be fair Matthew, even if couples have these conversations with good intentions prior to marriage, things can look very different once they are actually dealing with these things as a married couple.
This. ^^
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You could show him materials and docuмentaries? Also, you can read the vaccine inserts and see the warnings and side effects.
I thought this was pretty good.
Candace Owens (A Shot in the Dark series)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jxm2mGiyzVlt/
Docuмentary: Vaxxed
I think I was vaccine-injured since i have auto-immune issues and random allergies (to pineapple, kiwi, some nuts). The doctors told me it was maybe genetics but no-one in my family has them. And, there is a high rate of autism these days which no one can explain. Also, I think it's gross how they give a 2 month-old so many at once. My baby (11 weeks now) was never injected with anything and she's doing good.
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To be fair Matthew, even if couples have these conversations with good intentions prior to marriage, things can look very different once they are actually dealing with these things as a married couple.
Yes, even if you discuss important issues during courtship, SOME couples will have problems with SOME of the important issues of life.
But if you fail to discuss the issues before marriage, ALL will have problems with MANY of them.
See the difference? It's about increasing your chances and doing your due diligence -- not trying to get a "guarantee". Nothing is guaranteed in life. There are always curve balls.
It reminds me of another example --
If you are able to stand up against, say, mask mandates in 2020 (which is relatively easy I'll admit), you MIGHT make it through tortures during a Catholic persecution in 2040 (I'm just picking a date for the sake of argument).
But if you can't go in maskless into a wal-mart in 2020, facing the ire of middle-aged suburban white women with short haircuts, and elderly door greeters, then you are CERTAINLY not going to do well in a real persecution.
He who can do the lesser, MIGHT be able to do the greater.
He who can't even do the lesser, will certainly not be able to do the greater.
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Yes, even if you discuss important issues during courtship, SOME couples will have problems with SOME of the important issues of life.
But if you fail to discuss the issues before marriage, ALL will have problems with MANY of them.
See the difference? It's about increasing your chances and doing your due diligence -- not trying to get a "guarantee". Nothing is guaranteed in life. There are always curve balls.
Of course. I'm obviously not saying that couples shouldn't bother having these conversations prior to marriage. My point is what one thought they believed about raising kids (for example) may end up being very different when they actually HAVE children.
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We have 9 kids, and no:
autism
allergies
frequent earaches
gut issues
auto-immune issues
Statistically that's impossible, given the numbers for the current year. Look at any public school classroom of 25 kids, and see how many cases of the above you observe in nature.
(Our oldest got a few vaccines before 6 months, but that was it)
The # of vaccines given to kids by age 5 spiked highly between the "children of the 80's" and the current age. You should google it. It's a common fact. And that's when the FDA overhauled the US requirements for food labeling. Who remembers the food labels BEFORE this change? Hint: there was no section for allergens.
Contains: nuts, soy, wheat, milk
In bold at the end of every ingredient list.
I frequently tell people about my own experience in public school. In 2nd grade, we had a field trip during which we "auctioned off" 25 sack lunches, one for each child. The bidding was capped at 50 cents. My point? Could you imagine the lawsuits, the number of epi-pens needed, the number of ambulances that would show up if they had an event like this today? They would NEVER do such a thing now. Too many allergies among the children. AND WHY? It's not because of smartphones. It's certainly not because of electricity or pollution; we had plenty of those in the 80's (We're talking about the 1980s, not the Old West). What has changed from the 80's to today? Which of those things could POSSIBLY explain the skyrocketing incidence of autism and the other things listed above?
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You might want to investigate and then share with him which are actual vaccines (and might they probably be necessary) and how many are just "shots".
In the past three years we're calling everything a vaccine when in fact it's not.
No one ever called a flu shot a flu vaccine not even the medical profession. Shots are just foreign substances concocted in a lab.
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We are both lifelong traditional Catholics, and yes we pray often. He disregards any research that isn't done by the big "approved" agencies, and calls everything else a conspiracy theory. Like I said... we're at an impasse. I agree, children are worth fighting for. We both see things from a totally different perspective. I just don't know where it ends. What if he tries to have it done against my will? What if he resents me forever for resisting? Would the traditional Church say a husband gets final say on all medical matters for the children?
He needs to watch some presentations to wake him up. Maybe this one would be a good start: https://youtu.be/mhOOziH7QAo?t=1442
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My husband and I never really had this conversation. However, I started off with a few minimal vaxxes for my children, but was already firmly in the "no" camp for any abortion derived vaccine. My husband was fine with that although then he was fine with vaccines in general. Now I am 100% against all vaccines and he is on-board enough to not fight about it. I don't know what I would do if he ultimately disagreed on this issue, other than provide as much material as possible to convince him.
Honesty, given what I know now, I wish I could do it all over again and kept all vaxxes from my kids.
https://cogforlife.org/
https://drtenpenny.com/
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Is there any catholic teaching about husbands taking a woman's, the wife's, intuition into consideration? Men are quite reasonable, but easily get stubbornly stuck in erroneous conclusions.
Maybe your husband needs to chat with a few male Cath Info members. The fact that politicians and the medical industry is so highly paid and seeks after much money, and gets involved in these lines of work for the money in most cases should be plenty enough evidence to find them suspicious. What would he think of a pope who wants to be pope? The last saint pope we had was surprised at and protested his election due to his humility. Everything these days is designed to make a few richer at the expense of the many, and the most successful work together sponsoring each other,making mutually beneficial deals and such.
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You would have to be a complete moron to vax your children after all that's come to light in the last 3 years. Also while we're on the subject of bad parental decisions circuмcision is another one that alot of Catholics fall for that too. As if it wasn't specifically mentioned at the Council of Jerusalem.
I always jokingly tell my kids to thank Alex Jones for their lack of autism.
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A very small simple book," Vaccination is not immunization " by Tim O'Shea. Gets right to the point, made for those who have little time.
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The right shot and the right time, can produce a girl into a boy with penis at age 12. OMNI magazine Oct. 1990, sex change. by Rodger G. You can read it right there. Doing it since the 70's. Girls in Dominican Republic and New Guinea. A name is given to this group. It is not evolution, it is the demonic of man.
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A very small simple book," Vaccination is not immunization " by Tim O'Shea. Gets right to the point, made for those who have little time.
Great book. I have the 7th edition 2003. The full title is The Sanctity of Human Blood: Vaccination is not Immunization.
Check out Archie Kalokerinos on Vaccination. If you can get hold of a book , good.
https://oawhealth.com/article/dr-archie-kalokerinos-on-vaccinations/
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To still trust vaccines and the “experts” after the last 3 years shows some serious blindness, which I think is an indication of a bigger issue.
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Does your husband watch television?
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TV; a drug brought to you in part by the drug companies.
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Your husband is brainwashed on this topic (not his fault). Pray to St Luke, who was a Doctor.
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Great visual STT. Perhaps the OP's husband, once he sees this, might at least cut back to "1983". I am glad that I was born even before then.
By the way, where is polio and smallpox in the later shots?
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Great visual STT. Perhaps the OP's husband, once he sees this, might at least cut back to "1983". I am glad that I was born even before then.
By the way, where is polio and smallpox in the later shots?
Polio vax is “IPV”. Smallpox has been eliminated! Thanks to vaccines! IE they sold all their stock of it, found a cheaper way to make it and rebranded it as something else.
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Every doctor should see how ridiculous this is, but of course they'd just make up some excuse.
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Insane.
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I am from a traditional Catholic chapel in Louisville, and my chapel is about 250-300, and I know two people who got the vax, one wife and one gal in her 20's who moved to the Big Apple. In nearly three years I have heard of maybe a couple people getting "COVID," whatever that means. Certainly no one has died from COVID, and no one has become deathly sick from COVID. If your husband is not convinced by common sense, I guess my only advice is pray and say no.
If a somewhat sizeable church has a 99% non-vaccination rate and there are little or no cases of COVID, then common sense says one thing, WE HAVE BEEN SCAMMED ON THE COVID QUESTION. I do not know how to express this any more simply. This is an inductive argument, but it is a very strong inductive argument.
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Some things can be compromised on; but other things really can't (you can't send half the kids to public school, and the other half to homeschool. Same for vaccines)
I disagree here. If he's really set on vaccinations, chipping away at them individually would be better than just giving up. There are many non-conspiracy-sounding arguments for why you might delay or skip many vaccines.
For starters, most childhood illness spreads primarily in day cares and schools. If these are not something you're considering, the need for a vaccine is greatly reduced. Read together about the various things he'd like your child to be vaccinated against and decide for yourselves the level of likely exposure and whether or not those need to happen in the first year or perhaps can be delayed if not skipped altogether.
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There's a book called The Vaccine Book by Sears that breaks them down individually, but it's been around for years, so I'm not sure if the info is outdated or if the book has been updated.
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Check out the book "Turtles all the way down", there is also a source list for it.
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Check out the book "Turtles all the way down", there is also a source list for it.
On the Amazon (Aust) page there are 10 different books by different authors under that name. How about the authors name and a little about it.
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We have 9 kids, and no:
autism
allergies
frequent earaches
gut issues
auto-immune issues
Statistically that's impossible, given the numbers for the current year. Look at any public school classroom of 25 kids, and see how many cases of the above you observe in nature.
(Our oldest got a few vaccines before 6 months, but that was it)
The # of vaccines given to kids by age 5 spiked highly between the "children of the 80's" and the current age. You should google it. It's a common fact. And that's when the FDA overhauled the US requirements for food labeling. Who remembers the food labels BEFORE this change? Hint: there was no section for allergens.
Contains: nuts, soy, wheat, milk
In bold at the end of every ingredient list.
I frequently tell people about my own experience in public school. In 2nd grade, we had a field trip during which we "auctioned off" 25 sack lunches, one for each child. The bidding was capped at 50 cents. My point? Could you imagine the lawsuits, the number of epi-pens needed, the number of ambulances that would show up if they had an event like this today? They would NEVER do such a thing now. Too many allergies among the children. AND WHY? It's not because of smartphones. It's certainly not because of electricity or pollution; we had plenty of those in the 80's (We're talking about the 1980s, not the Old West). What has changed from the 80's to today? Which of those things could POSSIBLY explain the skyrocketing incidence of autism and the other things listed above?
I believe they're up to 72 doses of 17 different vaxxes from what I've heard recently, , which is insane.
And sadly, many of the children have gone insane as a result.
Have you actually sat down and tried to talk to some of the younger generation?
Completely incapable of having a normal discussion and can't focus or stay still for a second.
These vaccinations are literally destroying a whole generation.
The recent clot shots are just there to finish them off.
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Has anyone had this experience, personally, and how did you reach a decision?? Apart from prayer.
We have drastically different opinions about the safety /necessity of childhood vaccines. We are expecting our first child soon, and this question is looming over us. My research makes me against them; he is “for” all of them.
He better really think about that.
those vaxxes can be really deadly, some right away, but some later in life.
My son and his wife chose not to vaxx their second child, especially after all this nonsense the last few years. She's about 2 and doing fine, a lot more calmer and less sickly than her older sibling who did all the scheduled vaxxes years ago.
I think vaxxes are like the public school system, you need to not engage with them. every since my daughter in law home schooled, she's been way ahead academically, and look at all the grooming, dumbing down and brainwashing in the last three years alone they pushed on the children. Same with the "covid" shot being pushed on them, a complete lie and travesty that they "need" a "vaccine" that is not even technically a VACCINE.
I don't know, I wouldn't trust these medicine men today with my children for a second.
My opinion, your husband needs to read, research and learn about what their going to put into HIS CHILDREN'S BODY. You can't make a more detailed ever to learn about that. I'm sure he researched and learned before he bought a car or a house, started a business, invested in education, etc. Even his own health at that.
He needs to really think this through, both of you, read, learn, pray and ask for the discernment on a very important decision.
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To be fair Matthew, even if couples have these conversations with good intentions prior to marriage, things can look very different once they are actually dealing with these things as a married couple.
A good point, another thing is, when did they get married?
Because the last three years or so has opened a lot of peoples eyes.
Especially on vaccinations.
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A good book on vaxxes from a Catholic perspective to check out;
Vaccination: A Catholic Perspective
Pamela Acker (https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:)
Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation, Dec 12, 2020 - Medical ethics (https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=subject:) - 86 pages
https://books.google.com/books/about/Vaccination.html?id=pHwQzgEACAAJ
1 Review (https://books.google.com/books?id=pHwQzgEACAAJ&sitesec=reviews)
In Vaccination: A Catholic Perspective, Biologist Pamela Acker provides a balanced examination of the whole subject of vaccination from a Catholic perspective which will allow Catholic leaders from the Pope and the Bishops down to parents and teachers to make an informed judgment on proposals to mandate vaccinations for the novel coronavirus or for other infectious diseases. The author is ideally qualified to undertake this task. A devout Catholic with a master's degree in Biology from the Catholic University of America, Pamela worked in the field of vaccine development and has the right combination of knowledge and experience to evaluate the scientific basis for vaccination as currently practiced. In her book, Miss Acker takes the reader through the history of vaccination while giving a comprehensive introduction to the marvels of the divinely-designed human immune system. Drawing upon the latest research in the field, Miss Acker elucidates the many problematic aspects of vaccination as currently practiced and explains how they flow out of a materialistic, mechanistic, evolution-based understanding of the human person which tends to see man as a collection of parts rather than as a divinely-designed body-soul composite. With powerful examples she shows how the evolution-based approach to the study of disease has had disastrous consequences for scientific and medical research and has supported the maintenance of inadequate criteria for evaluating the efficacy and the dangers of vaccination as currently practiced. Upon this foundation, Miss Acker provides readers with the information they need to make an informed decision about vaccination in general and about a vaccination for the novel coronavirus in particular.
I believe the author's sister or niece was vaccine injured by the Gardasil vaxx, so she has a very interesting perspective and personal investment on these issues.
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A good book on vaxxes from a Catholic perspective to check out;
Vaccination: A Catholic Perspective
Pamela Acker (https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:)
Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation, Dec 12, 2020 - Medical ethics (https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=subject:) - 86 pages
https://books.google.com/books/about/Vaccination.html?id=pHwQzgEACAAJ
1 Review (https://books.google.com/books?id=pHwQzgEACAAJ&sitesec=reviews)
In Vaccination: A Catholic Perspective, Biologist Pamela Acker provides a balanced examination of the whole subject of vaccination from a Catholic perspective which will allow Catholic leaders from the Pope and the Bishops down to parents and teachers to make an informed judgment on proposals to mandate vaccinations for the novel coronavirus or for other infectious diseases. The author is ideally qualified to undertake this task. A devout Catholic with a master's degree in Biology from the Catholic University of America, Pamela worked in the field of vaccine development and has the right combination of knowledge and experience to evaluate the scientific basis for vaccination as currently practiced. In her book, Miss Acker takes the reader through the history of vaccination while giving a comprehensive introduction to the marvels of the divinely-designed human immune system. Drawing upon the latest research in the field, Miss Acker elucidates the many problematic aspects of vaccination as currently practiced and explains how they flow out of a materialistic, mechanistic, evolution-based understanding of the human person which tends to see man as a collection of parts rather than as a divinely-designed body-soul composite. With powerful examples she shows how the evolution-based approach to the study of disease has had disastrous consequences for scientific and medical research and has supported the maintenance of inadequate criteria for evaluating the efficacy and the dangers of vaccination as currently practiced. Upon this foundation, Miss Acker provides readers with the information they need to make an informed decision about vaccination in general and about a vaccination for the novel coronavirus in particular.
I believe the author's sister or niece was vaccine injured by the Gardasil vaxx, so she has a very interesting perspective and personal investment on these issues.
Several interviews with Pam Acker on Life Site News -- no one would have vaccines after watching these.
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Several interviews with Pam Acker on Life Site News -- no one would have vaccines after watching these.
Yes, i've seen her also on several interviews as well, i also have that book, very informative, she's very good.
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A good book on vaxxes from a Catholic perspective to check out;
Vaccination: A Catholic Perspective
I believe the author's sister or niece was vaccine injured by the Gardasil vaxx, so she has a very interesting perspective and personal investment on these issues.
Gardasil? No vaccine is necessary because there is a 100% foolproof way not to get the kinds of cervical cancer this vaccine purports to protect against, in the cervix or anywhere else in the body of either female or male. Abstain from sex until married, marry only someone who has done the same, remain faithful to spouse, abstain altogether from nonreproductive sɛҳuąƖ acts. One can also remain celibate with the same results.
Too late to follow these rules? Live chastely starting now. Get a blood test. If symptoms develop, get tested and start immediate treatment if results are positive.
Any woman can potentially develop cervical cancer if she has a cervix, even if she’s been celibate. But that’s rare and won’t be be prevented by a Gardasil vaccine!
We have a huge uptick in cervical cancer thanks to Bill and Monica.
The CDC is now pushing for requiring Gardasil for all nine year olds, males included.
I’m not entirely opposed to all vaccines, unlike most on CI, but when a vaccine isn’t a true vaccine, just an injected preventative needing frequent administration, insufficiently safety tested, has potentially serious side-effects, or is obtained or made using abortive or euthanized materials, my answer is no! In case of the first mentioned, I will possibly make use of it unless it’s medically doubtful or immoral. Just don’t call it a vaccine if I need it every other month! Call it a preventative injection. Do I take some medicines for prevention? Yes, I take a multivitamin-mineral tablet every day. That’s not a vaccine. In the former Eastern block countries, people used to take these via injection or infusion. Same thing, same purpose, not a vaccine. There are lots of “vaccines” for which I have no need, for which the majority of humans have no need. Which newborns in the US are really at risk of hepatitis? How many are going to be exposed to hepatitis infected blood, breast milk, or are going to be engaging in sɛҳuąƖ acts? How many adults and children are at risk? If the risk is real and the vaccine is moral, okay, go for it.
Doctors don’t know their patients and most don’t care or have time to do anything but follow the protocol set by nameless bureaucrats and pharmaceutical corporations. I’m tired of being told to roll up sleeve for MMR booster. I’m in my late 60’s. A check of my records will indicate I had M, M, and R in childhood conferring lifelong immunity. Same with varicella. Since they don’t make available a moral shingles vaccine, I’ll take my chances. I’m thankful I don’t have young children, because if I did, I’d have to move or not enroll them in school, camp, or any kind of official organization. The state requires numerous immoral and unnecessary vaccines. They’d be staying home and have to make do without regular Mass, Sacraments, and social contacts. In fact, they’d likely be taken by CPS, so there’s a good reason God didn’t give me any! Sometimes I can’t provide for myself much less children.
Occasionally, I do accept a flu injection, but I research first to find out the predominant strain, whether or not I’m likely to have had it, and its virulence. If they go to an exclusively mRNA version, then I’ll not be getting it any time soon. Too many people are dying of sudden cardiac events after getting the Covid jabs. (This is not to mention the moral issue.)
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Gardasil? No vaccine is necessary because there is a 100% foolproof way not to get the kinds of cervical cancer this vaccine purports to protect against, in the cervix or anywhere else in the body of either female or male. Abstain from sex until married, marry only someone who has done the same, remain faithful to spouse, abstain altogether from nonreproductive sɛҳuąƖ acts. One can also remain celibate with the same results.
Too late to follow these rules? Live chastely starting now. Get a blood test. If symptoms develop, get tested and start immediate treatment if results are positive.
Any woman can potentially develop cervical cancer if she has a cervix, even if she’s been celibate. But that’s rare and won’t be be prevented by a Gardasil vaccine!
We have a huge uptick in cervical cancer thanks to Bill and Monica.
The CDC is now pushing for requiring Gardasil for all nine year olds, males included.
The safety Gardasil has not been researched. Here is Dr Deirdre Little who investigated the case of a 17-yr-old woman who is now menopausal as a result of a series of 3 Gardasil injections.
https://cradio.org.au/topics/life-issues/bioethics/the-gardasil-imperative/
Dr Deirdre Little is a University of Sydney graduate with 25 years experience as a GP obstetrician with strong representation in a number of Catholic and secular organisations and publications. To find out more about her research, or to obtain a full-text copy of her paper on Gardasil in the British Medical Journal, you can get in touch with Dr Little via email (dradford@wirefree.net.au).
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OP, don't miss the thread Are vaccines Safe? 26 pages of it.
including https://www.cathinfo.com/health-and-nutrition/are-vaccines-safe/msg586885/#msg586885
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Pediatrician admits he lies to parents about vaccine safety.
https://thehighwire.com/ark-videos/do-vaccines-cause-autism-2/
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Our grand daughter, 12 years ago, was given a vaccine/no inoculation. She went through vomiting, diarrhea, dehydration, finally 3 weeks later to the hospital. I asked my daughter if she got a shot. Both her and her husband were tight lipped. Then daughter said, it is not the shot. I said, why, because you did not see a reaction soon after? Reactions can show up 3 weeks later. Read. And just as grand daughter was to leave the hospital, she went into seizure, for 2 hours!
My daughter was crying, "My baby, my baby!"
She is ok at the age of 12, but her parents never, never had her take any shots there after!