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Re: Health Insurance Advice
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2023, 06:02:45 PM »
Some things to consider:
 
While the Affordable Health Care Act created some basic standards applicable in every state (such as insurance policies can’t red line out preexisting conditions), the insurance industry is still largely regulated independently by each state, and federal programs such as Medicaid (not Medicare) are administered independently by each state.  What companies are allowed to operate, what policies are available, what premium costs are can vary widely, depending on where you live.
 
Nobody is forced to carry health insurance, that is a myth.  There used to be a federal tax penalty for those who didn’t have health insurance but that was eliminated in 2019.  Some states still impose a penalty but not the federal government.  Under the old rule nobody was required to pay more than a certain percentage of their income (8.5% I believe) for health insurance, and if one couldn’t find a policy for less than that there was no tax penalty.  From 1999 until I went on full Medicare (Parts A and B) my health insurance was provided by my employer (with a premium co-pay).  Before that I paid for my own insurance, but the rates weren’t that bad and I was “grandfathered” on an old policy that was no longer offered for sale.  I’ve never had to shop on the exchange or open market, but my understanding is that often premium subsidies are available depending on one’s income.  This may depend on which state one lives in.
 
Regardless of its faults California has a reputation for having generous safety net programs and you should look into what subsidized health plans might be available for families of modest income.
 
If one is on a “Consumer Directed Health Plan” (i.e., with a higher deductible) they may be able have a Health Savings Account into which one can make tax exempt deposits.  At my work I had a choice of choosing a plan with a $1,800 deductible (versus a standard plan with a $250 deductible) and a lower premium co-pay and was eligible to have a HSA.  I could pay medical and dental expenses, and for certain over the counter products, out of this savings account.  Once I went on Medicare Part A (required at age 65) I was no longer allowed to make additional deposits to the HSA but I got to finish using what was already there.  A HSA (not to be confused with Flexible Spending Accounts, or FSA) perhaps can be a good asset in conjunction with a high deductible plan.
 
I agree with Ladislaus that those who refuse to carry health insurance or make no effort to find plans they can afford, if they should have a medical emergency and can’t pay for it, just force up the costs for the rest of us.



Re: Health Insurance Advice
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2023, 06:58:21 PM »
Seem to be somewhat immoral, though, to deliberately go uninsured when you could afford it, since the costs are being passed along to those who are paying for insurance, who are therefore having to pay higher premiums as a result.  I'm not saying that was your situation, but I wouldn't advise going uninsured just to save money (hoping your debts will get written off or reduced), since you'd be passing the costs onto others, which is the equivalent of theft.

But that's the "64 thousand dollar question" (for those old enough to remember the expression) -- can you afford it or not.  It's often said that the one who frames the issues wins the argument.  What if you were to frame the issues by saying health insurance is one big immoral racket/scam and nobody should support a big immoral racket/scam by paying premiums to support it and keep it going.  If things are framed that way, then the bad guys are the ones who support the immoral system by paying their insurance premiums and the good ones are the ones who hold the insurance racket/scam in contempt and go uncovered regardless of whether they can afford it or not.  I'm not falling into either camp of going insured or uninured, but rather I'm giving a different perspective on the matter.


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Re: Health Insurance Advice
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2023, 09:23:56 PM »
Does the healthcare industry have to cost as much as it does? If not, then they might not have to rely on those who have insurance to cover the cost of those who don't and can't afford to pay the full cost.

Should we rather have sufficient faith in God and let Him be our heath insurance, let Him be our protector and our God, and His will be done, whether it is to be sick, die early, maimed, or miraculously healed whenever pleases Him. To what extent is our obligation to seek treatment and set aside money for it? May the Blessed Mother and all the angels and saints pray for us and help us that we always remain in the state of grace, so that we may merit no evils in this life, and be prepared to die whenever and however. Amen

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Re: Health Insurance Advice
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2023, 09:29:06 PM »
But that's the "64 thousand dollar question" (for those old enough to remember the expression) -- can you afford it or not.  It's often said that the one who frames the issues wins the argument.  What if you were to frame the issues by saying health insurance is one big immoral racket/scam and nobody should support a big immoral racket/scam by paying premiums to support it and keep it going.  If things are framed that way, then the bad guys are the ones who support the immoral system by paying their insurance premiums and the good ones are the ones who hold the insurance racket/scam in contempt and go uncovered regardless of whether they can afford it or not.  I'm not falling into either camp of going insured or uninured, but rather I'm giving a different perspective on the matter.
Along those same lines, I don't think it's been proven here that an uninsured person increases the costs for the insured. The amount billed is never the amount paid -- whether by an insurance company or an individual. The main driving factor in how much is billed is that it needs to be as high as the highest possible receipt. So, if you have a procedure code and Humana is contracted to pay you $500, BCBS will pay you $700 and United will pay you $850, then your "charge" for that procedure is going to be $900. When an uninsured person comes in and asks for a discount, giving them 40% or 50% is just acknowledging that you weren't actually expecting to get $900. Also, the uninsured will only get the bill entirely written off if they show financial need which means they arguably "couldn't afford it" to begin with. (Of course there's room here for fraudulent reporting, but that's a different issue.)

Re: Health Insurance Advice
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2023, 09:32:59 PM »
Does the healthcare industry have to cost as much as it does? If not, then they might not have to rely on those who have insurance to cover the cost of those who don't and can't afford to pay the full cost.

Should we rather have sufficient faith in God and let Him be our heath insurance, let Him be our protector and our God, and His will be done, whether it is to be sick, die early, maimed, or miraculously healed whenever pleases Him. To what extent is our obligation to seek treatment and set aside money for it? May the Blessed Mother and all the angels and saints pray for us and help us that we always remain in the state of grace, so that we may merit no evils in this life, and be prepared to die whenever and however. Amen

Amen.  Christianity survived for centuries without the "necessity" of insurance.  You got any extra money?  Support worthy efforts in the Church, set aside some money (if you can) for your funeral expenses and for your dependents, and always give money for alms if you can.  And do whatever you can to stay out of debt.