Of course, you know what will happen if Obama meets with Bergoglio!!!

The two will end up cracking their heads together when the bow to each other.  That's the photo I want to see.

 :roll-laugh1:     :smile:

I had one of those strange dreams last night, one that I remember, usually I don't remember them.  This one was one of those dreams we all have sometime that was quite vivid.

I dreamed that "pope" Francis made an announcement that he was going to retire, NOT RESIGN, he was going to retire.  He picked a committee of three people to represent the Trinity, one person was a women; anyway in my dream or nightmare whatever you want to call it, this committee would handle all affairs that a pope would handle while he would still be pope in name only.    

Don't worry too much about it, my dreams never happen, just thought I would mention it for entertainment.  True story, I did dream it!

Quote from: MyrnaM

Don't worry too much about it, my dreams never happen, just thought I would mention it for entertainment.  True story, I did dream it!

But it sure does sound plausible.....

Are you sure your dreams never happen, or is it that they haven't happened yet?

Well all I will say about that is, if it happens you read it on Cathinfo. FIRST!

I had one of those strange dreams last night, one that I remember, usually I don't remember them.  This one was one of those dreams we all have sometime that was quite vivid.

I dreamed that "pope" Francis made an announcement that he was going to retire, NOT RESIGN, he was going to retire.  He picked a committee of three people to represent the Trinity, one person was a women; anyway in my dream or nightmare whatever you want to call it, this committee would handle all affairs that a pope would handle while he would still be pope in name only.  

Don't worry too much about it, my dreams never happen, just thought I would mention it for entertainment.  True story, I did dream it!

I like it!


 :whistleblower:  I move we elect MyrnaM as the unofficial CathInfo mystic!!    :reporter:







P.S. Remember what St. Paul said?  "Extinguish not the Spirit.  Despise not
prophesies.  But prove all things;  hold fast that which is good" (I Thes. v.
19-21).

With all the bowing  and kowtowing this guy does he's probably more of a covert Buddhist than a closet Mason.

Either way, he's a joke of a pope. :rolleyes:

Taking note of the "bowing" going on is a good thing.

This is where a little experience with Eastern Catholic
traditions comes in.  Part of the Melkite ritual involves
the congregation bowing from the standing posture,
with one's right hand making a sweeping motion across
the floor, as if to wipe the back of one's fingers on the
grass or whatever.  I have no idea what the origin of this
is, but it is a gesture of great respect toward God in the
rite.  The Western Rite has no such motion, and Western
Catholics at large are oblivious to the connotation,
unless they have LEARNED about it from an Eastern Rite
Catholic!  IMHO this is one reason that Westerners have
so many back problems:  we don't make these motions
so our backs get stiff and inflexible over time!

Don't miss the fact that the change in the Bishops'
Consecration formula in 1968 (before the Newmass,
actually!) was nothing more than an accommodation of
Eastern traditions into the Roman Rite - which is a violation
of Tradition in the first place!

I know for a fact that there have been people in the world
who don't recognize bowing (pronounced "bough-ing") but
prefer to think the word is "BOW-ing," as in a bow-and-arrow,
(pronounced "boe-ing" ~ like a BOEING 757, for example -
a plane that is oddly SMALLER than a BOEING 747 (?)).  

If I had not seen this firsthand I would not have believed it.  
It is not a bow, that is, an act of deference or honor
shown toward another person, but rather a physical
arching of one's back, as if doing some kind of stretching
exercise, an act to which no meaning is attached!  

"Maybe he has a backache?  Or he might be doing his daily
routine that he does at this time as a health ritual for himself.  
He could be suffering from a degenerative spinal syndrome
of some kind, and he may be trying to slow its progress."

You think I'm joking?  I am not joking.

Especially Americans have pretty much forgotten what kingship,
queenship, royalty, majesty, dignity and station in life is all
about. They've reduced it all to "human respect" or
"respectability" or "reputation," maybe even "fame" or
"notoriety."  

And a pop star doesn't "bow" to anyone.  If you see a pop
star making a bowing motion, you may think he's checking
his shoelace or that spot on his pants leg, or maybe one of
the diamonds on his bracelet just fell out or whatever.  

He could be stretching his hamstrings before he breaks into
a break-dance, suddenly, without warning.  He (or she) might
be trying to change the blood pressure in his head for a
second or two.  I've known people who suddenly start
bending and stretching at odd times, as a kind of state of
consciousness.  It looks very odd if you're not used to
seeing it, but this is going on for over 20 years now.

It's all subjective.  There is no meaning attached whereby he is
showing a sign of anything to someone else.  


This is not a fantasy.  I have seen it happen, firsthand, that
is, the refusal to think about the act of showing deference
to another human being, but instead just a physical posture
the reason for which is NOBODY'S BUSINESS and not to be
interpreted as some manner of communication whatsoever.  


It is my suspicion that what has happened in one generation
has been the latent CONTEMPT for the principle of showing
such deference by "bowing and scraping" has resulted in this
subjective suppression, a willful abandonment of the concept
itself, as if in an attempt to artificially impose a neutralizing
effect overall, to bring everyone to a "common denominator"
of egalitarian equality, a kind of pseudo-Masonic "level playing
field," a groundwork principle for the One World Religion,
perhaps?



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There is the fact that Bishop of Rome Bergoglio/Francis is a
Jesuit, and Jesuits have a long history in Asia, where you will
find not only Buddhists but Shintos.  Both Shinto and Buddhist
traditions include a lot of bowing (not BOE-ing).  There is no
confusion there, in Tibet or Tokyo, or Kyoto, for that matter,
what is being communicated when one person bows (not
BOZE ~ not bad speakers BTW) in front of another person.  

Ann Barnhardt weighs in:

6.  Did I see Pope Francis bow to the “queen” of Jordan?  Of course.  Heck, I’m shocked he didn’t genuflect.  Oh, but I forgot, he *can’t* genuflect, right?  Eyeroll.  Bottom line:  As a “Jesuit”, Pope Bergoglio has been indoctrinated with a hatred of the See of Peter and, like all hippies, hates any notion of authority.  (Who am I to judge?  I’m just the super-humble chair of the diocesan community of Rome, man.  Whazzup.  #Selfie )  He refuses to comport himself with dignity, much less the dignity of his office, which by the way is an Absolute Monarch, because he doesn’t BELIEVE that Peter has any real authority, and he believes that the Church should be a decentralized quasi-democracy.  The parallels to Obama really are striking.  Like Obama, Bergoglio is an affirmative-action placement who is totally unqualified, completely infatuated with his own press and image, utterly incapable of intelligent extemporaneous speech and yet so lacking in self-awareness that he actually thinks his rhetoric is at genius-level because the lapdog press can’t flatter him enough, and, like Obama, has an agenda to deconstruct the very institution he heads from the inside-out.  The man is a scourge.

Of course, you know what will happen if Obama meets with Bergoglio!!!

The two will end up cracking their heads together when the bow to each other.  That's the photo I want to see.

I have neever seen Obama bow to anyone. However, the last time when he went to Rome to see the pope, his wife did wweara veil.