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Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
« Reply #105 on: March 01, 2018, 07:10:54 PM »
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  • One of the bases of Catholicism is that Heaven is attained by Faith and works, NOT by racial preference by God, 
    You're not understanding the point. The point is that the converted Israelites are favored above the converted Gentile. That's what the verse means. It has nothing to do with the process of salvation:

    “Thus saith the Lord God: Behold I will lift up my hand to the Gentiles, and will set up my standard to the people. And they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and carry thy daughters upon their shoulders. And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and queens thy nurses: they shall worship thee with their face toward the earth, and they shall lick up the dust of thy feet.” (Is. 49:22-23)

    And as for the commentaries upon this passage: Are you serious? 
    Ver. 22. Shoulders. Thus the Syrians commonly carried children astride. (Cotovic. xiv.)
    Ver. 23. Nurses. The Persian kings favoured the captives. The greatest monarchs bow before the prelates of the Church, (Menochius) and kiss the Pope's toe. They venerate relics, (Haydock) and greatly enrich the Church. (Calmet)

    These have got to be some of the lamest attempts at biblical interpretation I've ever seen. In fact, they border on idiotic. "Thus the Syrians carried children astride?" What? Do you honestly believe this is what the verse is talking about? First of all, the chapter in general is concerned with the Nation of Israel - not the Gentile Church:

    "Thus saith the Lord the redeemer of Israel, his Holy One, to the soul that is despised, to the nation that is abhorred..."

    Unless, of course, you want to posit that the "abhorred nation" is the Catholic Church. Otherwise, it's clearly the Nation of Israel. This is blatantly obvious. Read the chapter. It's talking about God's remembering Israel in its afflictions; gathering them back to the land; and glorifying them. That's what the whole chapter is about: 

    "Behold these shall come from afar, and behold these from the north and from the sea, and these from the south country. Give praise, O ye heavens, and rejoice, O earth, ye mountains, give praise with jubilation: because the Lord hath comforted his people, and will have mercy on his poor ones. And Sion said: The Lord hath forsaken me, and the Lord hath forgotten me. Can a woman forget her infant, so as not to have pity on the son of her womb? and if she should forget, yet will not I forget thee." (Is. 49:12-15)

    This verse: "And they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and carry thy daughters upon their shoulders..." has absolutely NOTHING to do with Syrian customs of carrying children. That is so doggone stupid I can't even believe someone said it. And you swallowed it! 

    And this verse: "kings shall be thy nursing fathers..." refers to the Persian kings' favoring the captives? You've lost your mind. This interpretation is equally as lame as the previous one. And what about the verses regarding the Gentiles' worshiping Israel with their heads to the ground? Maybe this refers to the Greeks' practice of using the bathroom while standing on their head? Come to your senses, man. This is NOT Biblical interpretation. It's sophomoric idiocy. Protestants aren't even this bad. At least Protestants' interpretations have some relevance to the context - or at least the passage in question. 

    This is what's going on with these ridiculous interpretations: Ever since the time of Constantine, and his misplaced hatred for anything that smacked of "Jєωιѕнness", the Church's theologians have tried emphatically to downplay any references to God's favoring of Israel. At all cost, they try and persuade Catholics that Israel is forevermore condemned by God and will never again be reinstated as His Firstborn. And this is exactly the puke you spew: Israel killed their Messiah, and therefore they will never again attain any favor in God's eyes. Baloney. Read the prophets. Yes, they committed the most heinous act conceivable, but God has never completely forgotten them. Throughout the writings of the ancient prophets, He promises over and over and over and over again that He will ultimately have mercy on them, convert them, and bring them back to the land He promised them - not for their sake, but for the sake of His Holy Name:

    "And I have regarded my own holy name, which the house of Israel hath profaned among the nations to which they went in. Therefore thou shalt say to the house of Israel: Thus saith the Lord God: It is not for your sake that I will do this, O house of Israel, but for my holy name's sake...And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the Gentiles, which you have profaned in the midst of them: that the Gentiles may know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord of hosts, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the Gentiles, and will gather you together out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land." (Ez. 36:21-24) 

    Again, God will bring Israel back to their land NOT for their sake, but for His Holy Name's sake. And so, what these verses mentioned above ("kings shall be thy nursing fathers, etc.") are talking about, in a poetic and metaphorical sense, is the way in which God is going to favor His Firstborn. He will not only convert them, and bring them back to the land of Israel, but He will carry them back in the arms of the Gentiles. And not only this, but He will glorify them among the Gentile nations - so much so that the whole world will know that God favors His Firstborn:

    "Behold I will cut off all that have afflicted thee at that time: and I will save her that halteth, and will gather her that was cast out: and I will get them praise, and a name, in all the land where they had been put to confusion. At that time, when I will bring you: and at the time that I will gather you: for I will give you a name, and praise among all the people of the earth, when I shall have brought back your captivity before your eyes, saith the Lord." (Zeph. 3:19-20)


    And regarding the future return of Israel to the actual physical Land of Israel, the Scriptures are crystal clear about this. Your statement that:
    "I know Christ will return and take His seat in Jerusalem, but that doesn't mean there are physical descendants of David that will dwell with Him there." is both logically absurd, and Scripturally incorrect. Below are just some of the verses that speak of the physical descendants of Israel returning to the physical Land of Israel:

    "And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand the second time to possess the remnant of his people, which shall be left from the Assyrians, and from Egypt, and from Phetros, and from Ethiopia, and from Elam, and from Sennaar, and from Emath, and from the islands of the sea. And he shall set up a standard unto the nations, and shall assemble the fugitives of Israel, and shall gather together the dispersed of Juda from the four quarters of the earth. And the envy of Ephraim shall be taken away, and the enemies of Juda shall perish: Ephraim shall not envy Juda, and Juda shall not fight against Ephraim..  And there shall be a highway for the remnant of my people, which shall be left from the Assyrians: as there was for Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt." (Is. 11:11-13,16)    

    "For a, small moment have I forsaken thee, but with great mercies will I gather thee. In a moment of indignation have I hid my face a little while from thee, but with everlasting kindness have I had mercy on thee, said the Lord thy Redeemer." (Is. 54:7-8 ) 

    "And the Gentiles shall see thy just one, and all kings thy glorious one: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name. And thou shalt be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God. Thou shalt no more be called Forsaken: and thy land shall no more be called Desolate: but thou shalt be called My pleasure in her, and thy land inhabited. Because the Lord hath been well pleased with thee: and thy land shall be inhabited." (Is. 62:2-4) 

    "Fear not, for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west." (Is. 43:5)

    "Therefore thus saith the Lord God: Because I have removed them far off among the Gentiles, and because I have scattered them among the countries: I will be to them a little sanctuary in the countries whither they are come. Therefore speak to them: Thus saith the Lord God: I will gather you from among the peoples, and assemble you out of the countries wherein you are scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel." (Ez. 11:16-17)

    "In my holy mountain, in the high mountain of Israel, saith the Lord God, there shall all the house of Israel serve me; all of them I say, in the land in which they shall please me, and there will I require your firstfruits, and the chief of your tithes with all your sanctifications. I will accept of you for an odour of sweetness, when I shall have brought you out from the people, and shall have gathered you out of the lands into which you are scattered, and I will be sanctified in you in the sight of the nations. And you shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall have brought you into the land of Israel, into the land for which I lifted up my hand to give it to your fathers. And there you shall remember your ways, and all your wicked doings with which you have been defiled; and you shall be displeased with yourselves in your own sight, for all your wicked deeds which you committed. And you shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall have done well by you for my own name's sake, and not according to your evil ways, nor according to your wicked deeds, O house of Israel, saith the Lord God." (Ez. 20:40-44)

    "Thus saith the Lord God: When I shall have gathered together the house of Israel out of the people among whom they are scattered: I will be sanctified in them before the Gentiles: and they shall dwell in their own land, which I gave to my servant Jacob. And they shall dwell therein secure, and they shall build houses, and shall plant vineyards, and shall dwell with confidence, when I shall have executed judgments upon all that are their enemies round about: and they shall know that I am the Lord their God." (Ez. 28:25-26)

    "...so will I visit my sheep, and will deliver them out of all the places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. And I will bring them out from the peoples, and will gather them out of the countries, and will bring them to their own land: and I will feed them in the mountains of Israel, by the rivers, and in all the habitations of the land. I will feed them in the most fruitful pastures, and their pastures shall be in the high mountains of Israel: there shall they rest on the green grass, and be fed in fat pastures upon the mountains of Israel." (Ez. 34:12-14)

    "And I have regarded my own holy name, which the house of Israel hath profaned among the nations to which they went in. Therefore thou shalt say to the house of Israel: Thus saith the Lord God: It is not for your sake that I will do this, O house of Israel, but for my holy name's sake, which you have profaned among the nations whither you went. And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the Gentiles, which you have profaned in the midst of them: that the Gentiles may know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord of hosts, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the Gentiles, and will gather you together out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land. And I will pour upon you clean water, and you shall be cleansed from all your filthiness, and I will cleanse you from all your idols." (Ez. 36:21-25)

    "And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord God: Behold, I will take the children of Israel from the midst of the nations whither they are gone: and I will gather them on every side, and will bring them to their own land. And I will make them one nation in the land on the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be king over them all: and they shall no more be two nations, neither shall they be divided any more into two kingdoms." (Ez. 37:21-22)     

    "And they shall bear their confusion, and all the transgressions wherewith they have transgressed against me, when they shall dwell in their land securely fearing no man: And I shall have brought them back from among the nations, and shall have gathered them together out of the lands of their enemies, and shall be sanctified in them, in the sight of many nations. And they shall know that I am the Lord their God, because I caused them to be carried away among the nations; and I have gathered them together unto their own land, and have not left any of them there. And I will hide my face no more from them, for I have poured out my spirit upon all the house of Israel, saith the Lord God." (Ez. 39:26-29)     

    "For behold the days come, saith the Lord, and I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Juda, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land which I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it." (Jer. 30:3)

    "Behold I will bring them from the north country, and will gather them from the ends of the earth: and among them shall be the blind, and the lame, the woman with child, and she that is bringing forth, together, a great company of them returning hither. They shall come with weeping: and I will bring them back in mercy: and I will bring them through the torrents of waters in a right way, and they shall not stumble in it: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations, and declare it in the islands that are afar off, and say: He that scattered Israel will gather him: and he will keep him as the shepherd doth his flock." (Jer. 31:8-10)

    "In that day I will raise up the tabernacle of David, that is fallen: and I will close up the breaches of the walls thereof, and repair what was fallen: and I will rebuild it as in the days of old. And I will bring back the captivity of my people Israel: and they shall build the abandoned cities, and inhabit them: and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine of them: and shall make gardens, and eat the fruits of them. And I will plant them upon their own land: and I will no more pluck them out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God." (Amos 9:11,14)

    "I will assemble and gather together all of thee, O Jacob: I will bring together the remnant of Israel, I will put them together as a flock in the fold, as the sheep in the midst of the sheepcotes..." (Micah 2:12)

    "And I will bring them back out of the land of Egypt, and will gather them from among the Assyrians: and will bring them to the land of Galaad, and Libanus, and place shall not be found for them." (Zach. 10:10)

    And the quotes go on and on and on...
    So much for your position that the physical descendants of Israel are not the ones who will be gathered back to the Land of Israel. Again, you may be able to quote Scripture, but you have no idea what it means (no doubt due to your reliance on absurdly ridiculous biblical commentaries). 

    And what about your statement that the 1000 years doesn't actually mean 1000 years:
    "The Catholic view is that the world is currently living in the Millennial age. "1,000 years" is not necessarily literal in meaning, but only figurative to denote a very long age." 

    One thousand years doesn't actually mean one-thousand years. Of course. That makes perfect sense. Where was my head? That means, according to Scripture, Satan has been chained up for "a very long age"? Amazing. When did that start? When was Satan chained up Croix de Fer? Perhaps never. Perhaps when the Apocalypse prophesied that Satan would be chained for 1000 years, it actually meant he wouldn't be chained at all... Now I get it. Now I'm beginning to understand how to interpret Scripture. Thanks. And perhaps St. Jerome (quoted by Benedict XV) didn't actually mean we should look to the literal meaning of Scripture first - and then move according to that meaning to the spiritual. No, we should just jump right into the spiritual. Toss the literal meaning in the garbage. Right. That's NOT how scholarly interpretation of Scripture works, Croix de Fer. This is not the Catholic method of interpretation. A Catholic looks at the verse, takes note of the literal sense, and then FROM THAT LITERAL SENSE moves to a spiritual sense. He doesn't just toss the literal sense in the garbage. Nor is your stupid interpretation based upon anything Scriptural at all. Tell us, when and where has Scripture ever referred to 1000 years as "a very long age"? Where? Tell us. Where does this interpretation come from? I'll tell you where... Nowhere. There's absolutely NO POSSIBLE WAY to arrive at your ridiculous interpretation by using Scripture. Nor can we arrive there via any historical records - neither secular, nor religious. In short, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to imagine that 1000 years means anything but what it says. And you are totally naive for swallowing this puke. And all the more Scripturally ignorant because of it.

    And what is this comment of yours supposed to mean:
    "After the Diaspora, the ѕуηαgσgυє lost their biological lineage to David". 

    The Jews lost their BIOLOGICAL lineage to David? And you claim to be knowledgeable of the Old Testament? Since when has the term "Jew" EVER referred to those of the Davidic line? Are you implying that all "Jews" are of the Davidic line? Of course you are. You just said it. No doubt you'll deny being so incredibly ignorant of Scripture, but the truth is.... you said it. Again, you don't know what a "Jew" is. You've misapplied the term numerous times in this thread. This is not the first. Here you go again:

    "To my knowledge, only Roman Jews, today, are descended from early Hebrews who predate Jesus Christ. These same early Hebrews migrated to Rome before Jesus Christ was born. They, supposedly, never engaged in miscegenation with Romans/Italians up to this very day. They were always protected by Roman rule, even through Mussolini's reign. For some reason, even Mussolini made an effort to protect them. If it's true that they are racially unmixed and undiluted, they are the only Jews who have Davidian blood. They're still the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan because they reject Jesus Christ, therefore they are not real Jews in the spiritual sense, but to answer your question, they could be the only blood descendants whom are possibly referenced by Romans 11. 

    Really? Let's look at Romans 11 again (verse 25):
    "For I would not have you ignorant, brethren, of this mystery, (lest you should be wise in your own conceits), that blindness in part has happened in Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles should come in."

    So what you're saying, Croix de Fer, is that St. Paul's "Israel" might possibly refer to the untainted Roman Jews? In other words, the term "Israel" is synonymous with the term "Jew"? And even worse: "only the racially untainted can truly be said to be of the Dividic line". You said it, not me. Hey Croix de Fer, I've said it before, and I'll say it again: You don't understand the meaning of "Jew". One last time: The term "Jew" simply denotes an Israelite who lives in the southern Kingdom of Judah. That's what it means. Yes, David's hereditary line was "Jєωιѕн". But to imply that the term "Jew" necessarily denotes one of the Davidic line, as you did above; or that only the pure, untainted Jews in Rome are for that very reason of "Davidian blood"; or that "Jew" means the same thing as "Israel", only manifests your gross ignorance of the topic at hand. And in the end, this ignorance necessarily renders you incapable of grasping the meaning of prophecy as it applies to the future of either Israel or the Jews.  

    Ergo, it's a complete waste of time to discuss anything further with you on this topic. I can only hope that those who read this post will not fall into the same gross errors as you.

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #106 on: March 01, 2018, 07:59:37 PM »
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  • You're not understanding the point. The point is that the converted Israelites are favored above the converted Gentile. That's what the verse means. It has nothing to do with the process of salvation:
    You're not wanting to hear the true point, which is, just as God doesn't base a person's salvation on their race, He doesn't render blessings and favoritism based on their race strictly because of race. He will bless races more for having the disposition to hear and live His Word, which is what He did to the white European race, hence our higher civilization in all human history. The Jews have proven themselves to be OPPOSITE by their continued breaking of covenants and their sin of Deicide.

    You're not even Catholic. You stink like a Zionist Protestant or crypto-Jew.

    The rest of what you wrote is more distortions of the meaning of Scripture and more drivel.

    You haven't even provided one iota of sound reasoning as to who is a "true biological Israelite" in this present day. You haven't even tried to identify who they are...



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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #107 on: March 03, 2018, 11:40:50 AM »
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  • You're not understanding the point. The point is that the converted Israelites are favored above the converted Gentile. That's what the verse means. It has nothing to do with the process of salvation:

    I have no doubts about the future conversion of the Jєωιѕн Nation, which although not a declared dogma of the Faith, has been a common teaching of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church (including St. Ambrose, St. Tertullian, St. Augustine, St. Cyril of Alexandria, St. Jerome, among many others) based upon scriptural verses. Where I have a doubt is where are these "true" Israelites (physical descendants) found in present day. Where is this Jєωιѕн nation that is to enter the Church? who are they? The mass conversion is supposed to be a sign of the imminent approach of the General Judgment. Father Denis Fahey explains this in his book The Kingship of Christ and the Conversion of the Jєωιѕн Nation.

    St. Cyril of Alexandria quote:

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    Towards the end of time, Our Lord Jesus Christ will effect the reconciliation of His former persecutor Israel with Himself. Everybody who knows Holy Scripture is aware that, in the course of time, this people will return to the love of Christ by the submission of faith…. Yes, one day, after the conversion of the Gentiles, Israel will be converted, and the Jews will be astonished at the treasure they will find in Christ”

    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #108 on: March 03, 2018, 01:55:31 PM »
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  • I have no doubts about the future conversion of the Jєωιѕн Nation, which although not a declared dogma of the Faith, has been a common teaching of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church (including St. Ambrose, St. Tertullian, St. Augustine, St. Cyril of Alexandria, St. Jerome, among many others) based upon scriptural verses. Where I have a doubt is where are these "true" Israelites (physical descendants) found in present day. Where is this Jєωιѕн nation that is to enter the Church? who are they?
    We need to first understand that the word "Jew" does not equate with "Israel". Everyone seems to confuse this point.
    All (true) Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews. The Jews only comprise a fraction of "Israel" - and a small fraction at that. 

    The term "Jew" was used specifically to refer to those Israelites who lived in the southern Kingdom of Judah. I've covered this point in other posts on this very thread. Please look over it. I've been repeatedly trying to explain this very point to Croix de Fer. 

    Anyway, aside from the (true) Jews who have tried to keep their lineage intact, there are a few pockets around the world that can vaguely trace their heritage to Israel. The Pashtun in Afghanistan, for example, are considered to be direct descendants of some of the Lost Ten Tribes - though I think it would be futile to look for "untainted" blood among them. Frankly, I think it would be futile to look for untainted blood anywhere. Ten whole tribes were carried off by the Assyrians. And many who were taken captive to Babylon never returned to Jerusalem. Moreover, most Israelites who were not taken captive by the Babylonians fled to Egypt. This means there are a lot of missing Israelites - and a lot of intermingling. 

    If I had to guess as to their whereabouts, though, I would say that most of the Lost Tribes are among the middle eastern peoples of today. Keep in mind, human beings are not generally prone to migrating - particularly long distances. Humans generally remain in the same region all their lives. We have families, relatives, friends, homes, land, jobs, etc. Sure, there are some who get wild hairs and drop everything for a "better life" somewhere else. But for the most part, humans stay where they are. Ergo, I believe we can be reasonably sure that the majority of the "Lost Tribes of Israel" are somewhere in the middle east - Iran, Irag, Afghanistan, Jordan, etc. And yes, that means most of them are Muslims. In fact, those who are cognizant of their relationship to the Lost Tribes are convinced that Muhammad was the "Prophet" promised to Israel. This hereditary relationship with the ancient Israelites is also where the Muslims' rabid, monotheistic "convert or die" mentality comes from - as well as their warlike nature. They are truly a unique breed of men. And this, because many of them are Israelites.

    This also means that we are going to witness a large-scale conversion of Muslims to (true) Catholicism in the near future. Indeed, a number of them are having apparent "visions" of Christ and converting to Protestantism as we speak. It's not any great number yet, but it's starting to happen. So they're getting close. You can find some of their testimonies on the internet. 

    All this to say, in general, there's no positive means of identifying who is and who isn't a descendant of Israel. Some pockets can trace their lineage; but for the most part, this is a question for God. He knows who and where they are. And He's going to call them on a grand scale. However, I wouldn't exactly rely on this conversion event as "The Sign" that will signal the approach of the end. How many in the Traditional Movement, for example, equate today's situation with the "End of the Gentile Church" prophesied by St. Paul? Due to it's slow evolution, it's not so readily apparent unless one stands back and really looks. In the same way, I don't think the conversion event will happen "all at once". And so I wouldn't exactly rely on this event as "a sign". Instead, the event we need to be looking for is the preaching of the Two Witnesses. That's why God is sending them... 

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #109 on: March 03, 2018, 03:04:25 PM »
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  • I think it is interesting thatk you mention that the Muslims will convert. They actually alfeady are in the process. There are mass conversions of young Muslims in Turkey to the Russian Orthodox Church. You can even find videos and testimony of this on youtube.
    (To be honest, even a massive number of N.O. clerics are going Orthodox, and the people with them)
      I've read quotes from St. Padre Pio that "the East will teach the West a lesson in Religion"... terrifying.



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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #110 on: March 03, 2018, 03:11:16 PM »
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  • I have no doubts about the future conversion of the Jєωιѕн Nation [...] The mass conversion is supposed to be a sign of the imminent approach of the General Judgment. Father Denis Fahey explains this in his book The Kingship of Christ and the Conversion of the Jєωιѕн Nation.
    Again, "mass" is relative term. In this case, "mass conversion" means a sizable minority, at best. It's Biblical canon in Zacharias 13:8-9 that two-thirds of Jews around the world, and that might include the Antichrist state of "Israel" founded in 1948 by the UN, will be exterminated as punishment by God, and the other Jews will convert to the Catholic Faith.



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    We need to first understand that the word "Jew" does not equate with "Israel". Everyone seems to confuse this point.
    All (true) Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are Jews.
    You didn't answer Cantarella's question. Instead, you used another fluffy red herring.

    You haven't told us who exactly, today, are the so-called biological descendants of the early Jews and Israelites.

    I, on the other hand, am the only person to mention the fact of today's Roman Jews being racially undiluted and unmixed as they are descendants of the Jews who migrated to Rome before Jesus Christ was born, and they have remained there since this time and they've, supposedly, stuck to themselves.

    Also, when I said the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, today, has no biological lineage to David, I'm not saying all Jews in his time were related to him. It's a point that they were all racially the same as him. David, after Jesus Christ and Blessed Mary, is arguably the most important Jew in the history of true Jews. He is, in a sense, the "archetype" of all Jews. So when the ѕуηαgσgυє says they are Jews, they're saying they are racially the same as David, and they hold the Faith of Abraham. Both of these claims is a lie (except for maybe the racial part regarding Roman Jews as for the aforementioned reasons). Even more, this claim that they are Jews is a lie because they have ruptured themselves from the Faith of Abraham by rejecting Jesus Christ.

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #111 on: March 03, 2018, 03:29:36 PM »
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  • I think it is interesting thatk you mention that the Muslims will convert. They actually alfeady are in the process. There are mass conversions of young Muslims in Turkey to the Russian Orthodox Church. You can even find videos and testimony of this on youtube.

    It should also be noted that, at present, the threat of persecution and even death for converting to "Christianity" looms over the Muslims' head. This threat prevents more conversions - particularly in countries like Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. And even where the country does not sanction the death penalty for conversion, one could still be killed by individual fanatics. This happens occasionally.

    However, when the time comes for the conversions to begin on a larger scale, the martyrdom of converts will fuel more and more conversions - just as Christianity saw in the early centuries of Roman persecution.

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #112 on: March 09, 2018, 06:13:18 AM »
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  • Pax vobis - they say the same thing about vatican 2.  There is nothing in it that is explicitly "anti catholic".  But, the council is none the less bad and must be rejected.  I have read all of de montforts writings, and I will say the same thing about his book true devotion.

    It is simple, there is no escaping the fact that louis de montfort  believed and taught that a queen has the right to not only own slaves as a result of her dignity(implying apart from any crimes on the part of the slaves), but that she has a right to put to death(murder) such slaves as her pleasure sees fit(apart from any judgment of the church).  He not only promoted such a right, but he suggested the duty of.  I mean he started a religious order to further the cause.    

    And, I don't believe that these popes many quote who supported him actually knew what he taught, similar to how the majority of bishops did not know what vatican 2 taught.  They simply see their catch phrase buzz word(s) that they associate with "the way", and put their stamp of approval on it.  

    Fortunately for me I do not have to explain this in theory.  It is in front of us all to see.  The CMRI do the total consecration.  They are the worst of the sedevacantists.  They have dubious orders that they sit proud and play ignorant of, while at the same time they usurp authority over a church they proudly judge entirely invalid outside of themselves.  They are lamentable.  Their total consecration has not protected them in this sense.  Their marian devotion has not preserved them.

    The feeneyites are the next example.  They are, many if not all, doing the montfortian total consecration.  But, that has not preserved them.  They mirror the cmri in different substance yet similar lamentable style.  

    You will find this wherever total consecration is being performed.  If you do not want to judge louis de montfort by his own fruit.  Judge him by the fruit of his followers.  I will not dine with louis de montfort, and neither will I dance with him.  
    Your confusion might be due to a cultural misunderstanding.  St. Louis Marie de Montfort lived in a different era, when monarchy was still in place.  He did not invent slavery, he only used it as an analogy, an example that the people he was preaching to would clearly understand.  

    In Christ's time, there were kings and slaves.  He did not teach people to rebel against the earthly king or the emperor.  
    If we simply accept that there were kings and slaves in human history, and simply read St. Louis de Montfort as only using the actual situation of slaves as an example of how, if we freely surrender our will, we also become slaves, then the confusion will disappear.  

    St. Louis de Montfort did not invent the surrendering of our Will to God.  Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself who taught us to pray "...Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done..."

    God as our King expects from us more than what earthly kings can demand:  ADORATION.  He wants us obey His Commands and to love Him above all.  It is not wrong to give back to God all that He has given to us, and to acknowledge that we are nothing before Him; then, in our nothingness, to offer to Him our will -- effectively becoming slaves, but voluntarily - because free will should be surrendered freely, otherwise, it is not free will that is being offered.  

    God does not force us to surrender our will to His but if we do, we will only be echoing the FIAT of Our Lady.  

    In the Jєωιѕн custom, in Christ's time, the mother of the King was considered the Queen. So if we really mean to pray that "His Kingdom come" (at Pater Noster), then we really should know that we are also asking that Mary (His Mother) be Our Queen.  But we should not be afraid to have her as Queen. Her Fiat should be our assurance that she will not lead us astray.  She has surrendered her will fully to God and all she has is His.  If you give yourself and your merits to Her, she will not own you, she will simply give you and your merits to God.  And God will find her offering pleasing, because She has found favor with Him (St. Gabriel the Archangel said that).  

    The slavery to Our Lady is not diabolical because it is in fact slavery to Our Lord Jesus Christ through Mary:  "...O admirable Mother, present me to your dear Son as His slave now and for always, so that He who redeemed me through you will now receive me through you."  

    You fear that making Mary our Queen is giving her the the power to kill.  
    " 5But I will shew you whom you shall fear: fear ye him, who after he hath killed, hath power to cast into hell. Yea, I say to you, fear him. 6Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God? 7Yea, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. (Luke 12:5)

    The absolute power of God is hard for our liberal spirit to accept.  But if we meditate on Judgment Day, we can understand His power.  And reflecting on His omnipotence, we can imagine the power of the Queen. But there is no reason to be afraid of her because she describes herself simply as "the handmaid of the Lord."   

    I pray for you that you may appreciate the role of Our Lady in our salvation, and be among her humble slaves, for She will defeat the Dragon by her humility.  Satan is angry against her and her followers (slaves)-- Revelations 12:17.  Satan is waging war against you.  May the Immaculate Heart of Mary be your refuge.

    Nos cuм prole pia benedicat Virgo Maria.  Pax Christi tecuм, PG!


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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #113 on: March 09, 2018, 08:21:57 AM »
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  • But Monarch's did have the right of life or death over their subjects ... as they could send them to war on behalf of a just cause.

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    « Reply #114 on: March 09, 2018, 08:23:14 AM »
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  • I think it is interesting thatk you mention that the Muslims will convert. They actually alfeady are in the process. There are mass conversions of young Muslims in Turkey to the Russian Orthodox Church. 

    Uhm, that's not conversion.  Perhaps a step in the right direction, but still outside the Church.

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #115 on: March 09, 2018, 10:17:56 AM »
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  • Uhm, that's not conversion.  Perhaps a step in the right direction, but still outside the Church.
    The world will allow you to practice any false religion including the Vatican II Novus Ordo false religion. The only Religion not permitted is Catholicism. For the world, religion is like a race where you are allowed to use any part of your body except your legs. Your legs are Catholicism. The Vatican II counterfeit catholic church is just another false religion.

    The Vatican II religion, Eastern Orthodox church, Anglicans, Lutherans, Mohamedans, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, ALL the same dung in different packaging.


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    « Reply #116 on: March 09, 2018, 03:47:39 PM »
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  • But Monarch's did have the right of life or death over their subjects ... as they could send them to war on behalf of a just cause.
    You're right. And Queen Esther, who had found favor with the king, did influence the death of Haman.

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    « Reply #117 on: March 09, 2018, 04:25:39 PM »
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  • You're right. And Queen Esther, who had found favor with the king, did influence the death of Haman.
    Indistinguishable from modernism, your(and ladislaus) morality is subject to the times.  However, that is false morality.  Morality is determined by Christ's objective eternity.

     

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    « Reply #118 on: March 09, 2018, 05:31:46 PM »
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  • Indistinguishable from modernism, your(and ladislaus) morality is subject to the times.  However, that is false morality.  Morality is determined by Christ's objective eternity.

     
    Christ did not intervene when King Herod, using his earthly power, ordered the death of John the Baptist. Christ, a descendant of David and heir to the throne, Whom the children of Israel wanted to make King, did not take away the earthly kingdom from Herod even though Herod made use of his earthly power immorally.  Point is, whether or not the earthly king or queen were immoral, God, Who is the source of all authority, allows them to exercise power according to their judgments (subject to reward or punishment on Judgment Day).  So, if the king wishes to share his power with the queen, it is really possible for the queen to order the death of a person and for the king's subjects to carry out the order.  

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    « Reply #119 on: March 09, 2018, 05:39:54 PM »
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  • The encyclical "Libertas Praestantissimum" written by Pope Leo XIII would help to put things into proper perspective.  A priest had to explain it to me before I could understand how the All-Powerful God can give Authority to a feeble human being and expect the society to accept and respect that Authority.