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Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2018, 10:12:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir on Today at 09:45:20 PM
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    Can you give a quote from the book, please, PG?

    A sin against the 5th commandment is the foundation of his spirituality.  

    71. There is a world of difference between a servant and a slave. 1) A servant does not give his employer all he is, all he has, and all he can acquire by himself or through others. A slave, however, gives himself to his master completely and exclusively with all he has and all he can acquire. 2) A servant demands wages for the services rendered to his employer. A slave, on the other hand, can expect nothing, no matter what skill, attention or energy he may have put into his work. 3) A servant can leave his employer whenever he pleases, or at least when the term of his service expires, whereas the slave has no such right. 4) An employer has no right of life and death over a servant. Were he to kill him as he would a beast of burden, he would commit murder. But the master of a slave has by law the right of life and death over him, so that he can sell him to anyone he chooses or - if you will pardon the comparison - kill him as he would kill his horse. 5) Finally, a servant is in his employer's service only for a time; a slave for always.
      
    And, no, I will not "pardon" his comparison.  Christ determines law, not ceasar.

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #16 on: February 04, 2018, 10:23:03 PM »
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  • 76. Moreover, if, as I have said, the Blessed Virgin is the Queen and Sovereign of heaven and earth, does she not then have as many subjects and slaves as there are creatures? "All things, including Mary herself, are subject to the power of God. All things, God included, are subject to the Virgin's power", so we are told by St. Anselm, St. Bernard, St. Bernardine and St. Bonaventure. Is it not reasonable to find that among so many slaves there should be some slaves of love, who freely choose Mary as their Queen? Should men and demons have willing slaves, and Mary have none? A king makes it a point of honour that the queen, his consort, should have her own slaves, over whom she has right of life and death, for honour and power given to the queen is honour and power given to the king. Could we possibly believe that Jesus, the best of all sons, who shared his power with his Blessed Mother, would resent her having her own slaves? Has he less esteem and love for his Mother than Ahasuerus had for Esther, or Solomon for Bathsheba? Who could say or even think such a thing?


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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #17 on: February 05, 2018, 03:34:04 AM »
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  • I am most proud to be a slave to my Mother. PG, you have taken unnecessary liberties in becoming your own Pope. St. Louie DeMontefort is one of the greatest Marian writers of all time- perhaps the greatest. Popes can attest to it, and you don't care. Your thoughts are dangerous, and I pray that Our Lady gains for you the grace you need in order to turn, and also that she would shield other readers from your dangerous words against her. 

    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #18 on: February 05, 2018, 10:36:52 AM »
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  • So now here's what I understand to be going on: As I just mentioned above, anyone who has a true devotion to Mary knows how Godly these practices are - particularly those which have received praise and support from numerous Popes, Saints, and theologians. Ergo, if someone so utterly consumed with hatred toward one of these holy devotions steps up to criticize it, then we know beyond a doubt that that person is under the influence of Satanic forces. In other words, far from convincing us otherwise, you've actually proven the holiness of this devotion - for what better proof than to see the Devil spew such vile hatred toward it? And who better to manifest the Devil's hand than one who babbles, repeatedly trips over his own words, mysteriously fails to see what is plainly written, and is so full of pride as to refer to this indulgenced practice as "crap"?

    And so, in the end, you've inadvertently confirmed the holiness of this devotion - and you've done so in an exemplary fashion. And this is precisely why the Mother of God forced the Devil to send you in particular.

    This is very interesting. The Devil really does not like Marian devotions at all and he will do anything in his power to prevent souls from practicing them. The hatred towards Our Lady is a sign of demonic activity. St. Louis Marie himself foretold that Satan would cause his treatise to be lost. True Devotion was not discovered until one hundred and twenty-six years after his death.

    Good thing I found this thread this morning as it was a timely reminder to renew my own consecration:

    In the presence of all the Heavenly Court I choose thee this day for my Mother and Mistress. I deliver and consecrate to thee, as thy slave, my body and soul, my goods, both interior and exterior, and even the value of all my good actions, past, present and future; leaving to thee the entire and full right of disposing of me, and all that belongs to me, without exception, according to thy good pleasure, to the greatest glory of God, in time and in eternity.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #19 on: February 05, 2018, 11:42:07 AM »
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  • I think we are forgetting something here: Mother Mary can not be competed with in Charity, Faith, Gratitude, Generosity, or any other Grace or virtue. It is said if you give her an egg she will give you an ox/cow. Now, in comparison, and egg can be about 18 cents ($0.18) and cows can have a value of anywhere from $1,200 to $4,000. So if this is how generous and loving She would be with us in return for an egg, how much more would she spoil us with if we give ourselves to her entirely? The exchange is worth it, in my opinion.

    Forget your mental gymnastics for a minute, and ask how much do you trust our most beautiful, and loving Mother?
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll


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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #20 on: February 05, 2018, 11:53:39 AM »
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  • I am most proud to be a slave to my Mother. PG, you have taken unnecessary liberties in becoming your own Pope. St. Louie DeMontefort is one of the greatest Marian writers of all time- perhaps the greatest. Popes can attest to it, and you don't care. Your thoughts are dangerous, and I pray that Our Lady gains for you the grace you need in order to turn, and also that she would shield other readers from your dangerous words against her.
    I have held this opinion for many years now.  I posted this many years ago when I first read it, but before I finished his books.  Many brushed off my concern.  Well, I have completed his works, and I am still in one piece.  I suspect few can say that.  I have only scratched the surface for you.  Perhaps I will do more.  But, an instrument may be called for, an instrument that popes do not possess.  

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #21 on: February 05, 2018, 12:51:17 PM »
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  • This is very interesting. The Devil really does not like Marian devotions at all and he will do anything in his power to prevent souls from practicing them. The hatred towards Our Lady is a sign of demonic activity. St. Louis Marie himself foretold that Satan would cause his treatise to be lost. True Devotion was not discovered until one hundred and twenty-six years after his death.

    Good thing I found this thread this morning as it was a timely reminder to renew my own consecration:

    In the presence of all the Heavenly Court I choose thee this day for my Mother and Mistress. I deliver and consecrate to thee, as thy slave, my body and soul, my goods, both interior and exterior, and even the value of all my good actions, past, present and future; leaving to thee the entire and full right of disposing of me, and all that belongs to me, without exception, according to thy good pleasure, to the greatest glory of God, in time and in eternity.
    I am well aware of the intimate yet depraved relationship between feeneyism and montfortianism.  Killer whales hunt in packs.

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #22 on: February 05, 2018, 02:26:11 PM »
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  • But, an instrument may be called for, an instrument that popes do not possess.  
    I'm not sure what you mean by this. Could you please explain?
    PG, I am wondering about your opinion a few other things. What do you think of Fatima? Do you believe in the immaculate conception? What about the brown scapular?
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27


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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #23 on: February 05, 2018, 03:11:59 PM »
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  • I'm not sure what you mean by this. Could you please explain?
    PG, I am wondering about your opinion a few other things. What do you think of Fatima? Do you believe in the immaculate conception? What about the brown scapular?
    The inquisition of our time is headed by women.  

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #24 on: February 06, 2018, 10:51:16 AM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir on Today at 09:45:20 PM
    A sin against the 5th commandment is the foundation of his spirituality.  

    71. There is a world of difference between a servant and a slave. 1) A servant does not give his employer all he is, all he has, and all he can acquire by himself or through others. A slave, however, gives himself to his master completely and exclusively with all he has and all he can acquire. 2) A servant demands wages for the services rendered to his employer. A slave, on the other hand, can expect nothing, no matter what skill, attention or energy he may have put into his work. 3) A servant can leave his employer whenever he pleases, or at least when the term of his service expires, whereas the slave has no such right. 4) An employer has no right of life and death over a servant. Were he to kill him as he would a beast of burden, he would commit murder. But the master of a slave has by law the right of life and death over him, so that he can sell him to anyone he chooses or - if you will pardon the comparison - kill him as he would kill his horse. 5) Finally, a servant is in his employer's service only for a time; a slave for always.
      
    And, no, I will not "pardon" his comparison.  Christ determines law, not ceasar.
    Here we go again with more evidence of the demonic influence behind PG's ramblings. His gross misinterpretation of the above quote (which seems to be one of the foundations of his remarkable hatred for this holy devotion), just proves, as I've said already, that the Devil will not allow him to comprehend the truth. What Louis De Montfort is doing here is merely explaining the "Law of the Land" - a law which allows for the killing of a slave by his master. He expressly says as much in verse 4 - in the very section PG highlighted: "But the master of a slave has by law the right of life and death over him." 

    In no way does Louis De Montfort ever state, or even imply, that he agrees with this law. Nor does he say, or even imply, that he believes it's a moral one. Much less does he praise it, as PG would have us believe. In fact, he seems to be so appalled at this law that toward the end of the quote he asks everyone to "pardon the comparison" of the killing of a slave with the killing of a horse. In other words, he's quite evidently ashamed to make the comparison - and therefore asks pardon for making it. PG, on the other hand, would have us believe that Louis De Montfort supports the killing of a slave as if it were just a horse. In reality, nothing could be further from the truth, as the above quote proves. 

    I've said it once, and I'll say it again... PG is under the influence of the Devil. That's why he harbors such a vile hatred for Marian Consecration - as well as its champion, the holy man, Louis De Montfort.

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #25 on: February 06, 2018, 11:23:20 AM »
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  • I've said it once, and I'll say it again... PG is under the influence of the Devil. That's why he harbors such a vile hatred for Marian Consecration - as well as its champion, the holy man, Louis De Montfort.

    "I have nothing against the Jews at all. In fact, I'm physically descended from them"
    Fortunately for me, few on CI here side with israelis.    


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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #26 on: February 06, 2018, 11:58:45 AM »
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  • PG,
    As for your accusing me of "Feeneyism", this is not true at all. Fr. Feeney believed in "Baptism of Desire" - only he believed in the ancient version, as opposed to the modern one. I have never once believed in either. But that's another subject for another thread.

    One more time, you are under the influence of the Devil. He's the one whispering things in your ear...

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #27 on: February 06, 2018, 12:00:15 PM »
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  • It looks like many a one's blood here is boiling.  Only one with an intense hatred of Jesus, or an intense love of ones self, which is in the end the same, embraces montfortianism.
    "But those who accept this little-known secret of grace which I offer them can rightly be compared to smelters and moulders who have discovered the beautiful mould of Mary where Jesus was so divinely and so naturally formed. They do not rely on their own skill but on the perfection of the mould. They cast and lose themselves in Mary where they become true models of her Son. 

    221. You may think this a beautiful and convincing comparison. But how many understand it? I would like you, my dear friend, to understand it. But remember that only molten and liquefied substances may be poured into a mould. That means that you must crush and melt down the old Adam in you if you wish to acquire the likeness of the new Adam in Mary." 

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #28 on: February 06, 2018, 12:30:45 PM »
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  • Sedevacantist - you are not having much success here on the farm.  



    I like to keep things PG.

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    Re: The secret hidden within Marian Consecration
    « Reply #29 on: February 06, 2018, 12:46:15 PM »
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  • It looks like many a one's blood here is boiling.  Only one with an intense hatred of Jesus, or an intense love of ones self, which is in the end the same, embraces montfortianism.
    "But those who accept this little-known secret of grace which I offer them can rightly be compared to smelters and moulders who have discovered the beautiful mould of Mary where Jesus was so divinely and so naturally formed. They do not rely on their own skill but on the perfection of the mould. They cast and lose themselves in Mary where they become true models of her Son.

    221. You may think this a beautiful and convincing comparison. But how many understand it? I would like you, my dear friend, to understand it. But remember that only molten and liquefied substances may be poured into a mould. That means that you must crush and melt down the old Adam in you if you wish to acquire the likeness of the new Adam in Mary."
    Unbelievable. 
    Let's all hear the Devil speak to us again through PG...
    "Only one with an intense hatred of Jesus, or an intense love of ones self, which is in the end the same, embraces montfortianism."
    Only one with an intense hatred for Jesus... such as the Holy Roman Catholic Church, which indulgenced this devotion? Or the numerous Saints canonized by Her who practiced Marian consecration? Honestly, do we really need to hear anymore to be convinced?