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The Church in the middle ages...
« on: November 15, 2011, 05:34:42 PM »
Someone told me this about the church in the middle ages, that:


The Universities built by the church were not available to most people and their teachings were from a decidedly Catholic viewpoint. It was not until the end of the middle ages that universities began to be built by non-church entities, which opened up more studies to more people. Science was never patronized by the church but fought against. Science and mathematics were largely introduced from the far east.

How accurate is this?

The Church in the middle ages...
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2011, 08:57:00 PM »
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=14335&min=0&num=10


I can understand that it would seem hard to reconcile the Church in the Middle Ages at times and especially for non-believers or raised protestants.
It was the corruption of individuals but it did not make the Church itself evil.
Individuals exploited their power within the Church. Remember the Borgias?

Just like our corrupted government officials don't necessarily make the idea of a free republic evil.
I have read the complaints of the reformers and really it is not enough to abandon or blame the Church. It never makes me feel that way.
The corruption could have been taken care of without the reformation. It was a political movement in my opinion to take power amd wealth away from the Church and the socalled "reformers" used the evils they saw as an excuse to do so.

Even when Martin Luther started to criticize things he saw being done, he did not original intend to destroy the Catholic Church or to leave it.


The Church in the middle ages...
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2011, 09:38:14 PM »
Quote from: s2srea
Someone told me this about the church in the middle ages, that:


The Universities built by the church were not available to most people and their teachings were from a decidedly Catholic viewpoint. It was not until the end of the middle ages that universities began to be built by non-church entities, which opened up more studies to more people. Science was never patronized by the church but fought against. Science and mathematics were largely introduced from the far east.

How accurate is this?


1) The Universities were not available to most people simply because most people were illiterate, and therefore incapable of attending them;

2) As the Universities were ALL created by the Church, should one be amazed and scandalized that they only taught the truth (i.e., Science in harmony with Faith), especially during that glorious era once known as Christendom, where Church and state were united?

3) The end of the Middle Ages coincided (and was caused by) the Renaissance: A Romantic nostalgia for Greek paganism in the arts and "sciences" (falsely so-called);

4) It was at this time that false philosophies began to be heard, most notable the Nominalist philosophy of William of Ockham (which would later inspire Martin Luther), which denied the Realist/Thomist/Aristotelian distinction between "essense" (what a thing is) and "accid;nts" (attributes), and instead proposed -implicitly- that essense was unknowable; all was but a mere label;

5) Stemming from this, we have a shift in philosophy (which of course had an impact on the so-called hard sciences) from qualitative research to quantitative study: As if to say, "We can't really know the essense of things, but we can make way in their qualities;"

6) And so the "sciences" moved from asking the question "What is it" to asking simply "How fast; how much; etc.  

7) Witness the advent of Galileo, Newton, Copernicus, etc.

8) Of course, this was a sellout caused by the philosophical error of Ockham;

9) And of course, these errors would not be tolerated in Catholic universities;

10) And finally, in the days of the Protestant revolution, the now formed heretical universities made this sellout (i.e., The preference for the study of accidents over essences based on the error of Ockham) the basis of what are now erroneously called the "hard sciences."

11) WIth regard to "fighting against science," the bunk example of Galileo is usually raised.  Problem: Galileo was not condemned for being right, but for proposing a theory which itself could not be proven (i.e., The Sun is the center of the universe), since the dimensions of the universe cannot be known.

12) As for Oriental scientists and mathmaticians, I can't name a single one, but the Catholic Church certainly has her share, which would prove no hostility exists between sound sciences and true Faith.

The Church in the middle ages...
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2011, 09:46:40 PM »
Quote from: s2srea
Someone told me this about the church in the middle ages, that:


The Universities built by the church were not available to most people and their teachings were from a decidedly Catholic viewpoint. It was not until the end of the middle ages that universities began to be built by non-church entities, which opened up more studies to more people. Science was never patronized by the church but fought against. Science and mathematics were largely introduced from the far east.

How accurate is this?


That is almost completely false.

The Universities were built by the Church that is the part that is true. The Catholic Viewpoint is the Truth, so of course we taught it. Science and Mathematics were not introduced from the far east, Catholics and Muslims were masters of Science and Mathematics. The Far east was not. Science WAS patronized by the Church, and never fought against. Error was fought against. Heresy was fought against, truth was not. Science was encouraged.

For information on all lies against Catholics that are easily proven wrong such as this one, I suggest you buy the book, "Seven Lies of Catholic History"

http://www.angeluspress.org/oscatalog/item/8486/seven-lies-about-catholic-history

The Church in the middle ages...
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2011, 08:07:21 AM »