Author Topic: Medjugorje as a global phenomenon (Read 1975 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #15 on:** January 11, 2016, 09:55:35 AM »

Desmond, maybe this is news to you, but when you resort to ALL CAPS and include BOLD for additional emphasis, it is very common for Internet readers to interpret that as if you would be shouting in their face, or at least that you would like to do so if you were there in person. It's considered bad manners, or a "turn off."

Just sayin'.

Desmond · « **Reply #16 on:** January 11, 2016, 12:12:05 PM »

The topic has taken a turn for the surreal.

Please moderators close it down.

Thanks in advance.

Maria Regina · « **Reply #17 on:** January 11, 2016, 01:26:29 PM »

Quote from: Desmond

Quote from: Neil Obstat
I have heard on reliable testimony that Bishop Zanic went to Benedict XVI asking him for assistance, since his brother bishops in the region had all agreed that nothing supernatural was going on in Medjugorje, but the tourist industry was ignoring their authority and had continued with their sensationalism shows and "visions on demand" as they say.

Benedict XVI told the bishop that he shouldn't be asking for the Vatican's intervention, because there are many friends of the Church involved and the Vatican did not want to alienate them. He told Bishop Zanic that he was doing just fine on his own and he should continue his work as he had been doing. In other words, he was not going to get any support from upstairs!

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Yes, that is similar to what I read and was referring to when mentioned Ratzinger.
Pro-Med sites have all the details about R.'s role in the whole thing.

Pro-Medjugorje sites seem to have hired a social media expert because whenever I do a search all the top listings on Google and even duckduckgo.com are all Pro-Medjugorge even when I input
"Vatican stops Medjugorje speech in USA" I only find a credible link down at the bottom of the search.

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Vatican Advises U.S. Bishops About Medjugorje Apparitions (11299)

The papal nuncio to the U.S. has written a letter stating Catholics ‘are not permitted’ to participate in meetings that accept the alleged apparitions as credible.

by CNA/EWTN NEWS 11/06/2013

The Oct. 21 letter from the papal nuncio to the U.S. Catholic bishops, as published by Spirit Daily.

WASHINGTON — At the direction of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the apostolic nuncio to the U.S. has written a letter stating that Catholics “are not permitted” to participate in meetings which take for granted that the supposed Marian apparitions in Medjugorje are credible.

“The Congregation [for the Doctrine of the Faith] has affirmed that, with regard to the credibility of the ‘apparitions’ in question, all should accept the declaration … which asserts: ‘On the basis of the research that has been done, it is not possible to state that there were apparitions or supernatural revelations,’” Archbishop Carlo Vigano wrote in an Oct. 21 letter to the bishops of the U.S., sent to the general secretary of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. ...

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/vatican-advises-u.s.-bishops-about-medjugorje-apparitions/

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2016, 02:16:11 PM »

Quote from: Desmond

The topic has taken a turn for the surreal.

Please moderators close it down.

Thanks in advance.

There is nothing surreal about learning from a little constructive criticism, that is, unless you're not used to learning from constructive criticism.

BTW Matthew doesn't lock a thread because the guy who started it doesn't get to do whatever he had in mind from the start.

Quote from: Maria Regina

Pro-Medjugorje sites seem to have hired a social media expert because whenever I do a search all the top listings on Google and even duckduckgo.com are all pro-Medjugorge even when I input
"Vatican stops Medjugorje speech in USA" I only find a credible link down at the bottom of the search.

People who think they can find any answer they're looking for on the Internet are useful idiots for those who hire social media manipulators.

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Matto · « **Reply #19 on:** January 11, 2016, 02:29:52 PM »

I am not an expert on Medjugorje but the little that I know makes me believe it is false. The reason I think it is false is because I have read a few articles about it from traditional sources that showed that the apparitions promote the heresies of Vatican II and say things like God loves all religions and all religions lead souls to heaven, etc. instead of promoting the true pre-1958 faith. I read these articles years ago so I can't link to them because I don't remember the sources, but I am sure you could find them or similar ones from traditional Catholic sources using a search engine.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #20 on:** January 11, 2016, 02:35:11 PM »

Here's another one:

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https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=10376

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Vatican Warns U.S. Bishops on Medjugorje

by Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò
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The Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has instructed the Catholic faithful not to participate in events in which the "seers" of Medjugorje promise apparitions of the Virgin Mary. Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller, the prefect of the CDF, has called for an end to church sponsorships of these events. In an October letter to the US bishops, Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, the apostolic nuncio in Washington, conveyed a message from Archbishop Müller, "that clerics and the faithful are not permitted to participate in meetings, conferences or public celebrations during which the credibility of such 'apparitions' would be taken for granted.” In his message—which was addressed to Msgr. Ronny Jenkins, the general secretary of the US bishops' conference, to be distributed promptly to American hierarchy—Archbishop Vigano reminded the bishops that the CDF is currently investigating the reported apparitions at Medjugorje. Until the Vatican renders a final judgment, the CDF has asked for acceptance of a statement issued in 1991 by the bishops of what was then Yugoslavia, who said: "On the basis of the research that has been done, it is not possible to state that there were apparitions or supernatural revelations."
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Apostolic Nunciature, October 21, 2013

Received October 23, 2013
Office of the General Secretary USCCB

3339 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20008-3610
October 21, 2013

Apostolic Nunciature
United States of America

PN 3980

Reverend Monsignor Jenkins,

I write at the request of His Excellency, the Most Reverend Gerhard Ludwig Muller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who asks, that the Bishops of the United States be advised, once again, of the following (cf. my letter of 27 February 2013, of the same protocol number). Thus, his Excellency wishes to inform the Bishops that one of the so-called visionaries of Medjogurje [an Italian spelling, ed.], Mr. Ivan Dragicevic, is scheduled to appear at certain parishes around the country, during which time he will make presentations regarding the phenomenon of Medjorgurje. It is anticipated, moreover, that Mr. Dragicevic will be receiving "apparitions" during these scheduled appearances.

As you are well aware, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is in the process of investigating certain doctrinal and disciplinary aspects of the phenomenon of Medjogurje. For this reason, the Congregation has affirmed that, with regard to the credibility of the "apparitions" in question, all should accept the declaration, dated 10 April 1991, from the Bishops of the former Republic of Yugoslavia, which asserts: "On the basis of the research that has been done, it is not possible to state that there were apparitions of supernatural revelations." It follows, therefore, that clerics and the faithful are not permitted to participate in meetings, conferences or public celebrations during which the credibility of such "apparitions" would be taken for granted.

In order, therefore, to avoid scandal and confusion, Archbishop Muller asks that the Bishops be informed of this matter as soon as possible.

I take this opportunity to present to you my sentiments of profound esteem, and remain,

Sincerely yours in Christ,

Carlo Maria Vigano
Apostolic Nuncio

Monsignor Ronny Jenkins
General Secretary of the USCCB
3211 Fourth Street NE
Washington, DC 20017

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