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Re: Prayers for Jєωιѕн people who were attacked
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2019, 11:01:54 PM »
There is only one answer to that. The Catholic Church has the fullness of truth
Classic conciliarist speech, poche. 

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"though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church...  "some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, and visible elements too... "it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help towards salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained."
Just answer yes or no. 

Re: Prayers for Jєωιѕн people who were attacked
« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2019, 02:20:04 AM »
Classic conciliarist speech, poche.
Just answer yes or no.
I thought that by saying that the Catholic Church having the platitude of truth that that would be a clear affirmation that the Catholic Church was the true Faith. 
Anything good coming to us from the Jews would only be in relation to how it corresponds to what is found in the Catholic Church.


Re: Prayers for Jєωιѕн people who were attacked
« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2019, 07:02:21 AM »
I thought that by saying that the Catholic Church having the platitude of truth that that would be a clear affirmation that the Catholic Church was the true Faith.
Anything good coming to us from the Jews would only be in relation to how it corresponds to what is found in the Catholic Church.
This is Olympic gold medal-level question dodging, as usual. Yes or no?

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Re: Prayers for Jєωιѕн people who were attacked
« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2019, 07:42:10 AM »
Of course. Catholics should be condemning any and all violence against any group of people — it is not the answer to anything.

To a point.  Violence perpetrated by individuals without authority should be condemned, but if the state were to impose harsh penalties against various "groups" of people defined by immortal, deviant, heretical, subversive, or otherwise depraved principles, then there's no issue.

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Re: Prayers for Jєωιѕн people who were attacked
« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2019, 07:45:41 AM »
I leave the question of who is saved and who is not to God.

Your leave it to your own private interpretation of God's mind.  I on the other hand go with what the Church has taught that God has revealed about the criteria for salvation.  Whether any particular individual met such criteria, of course, can only be known to God, but this does not mean that we do not know the objective criteria for salvation.  We can know with the certainty of faith that souls who do not meet certain criteria cannot be saved, e.g. if they are in a state of mortal sin, if they lack supernatural faith, if they are outside the Church.  So this answer is always subterfuge.  Based on the fact that we cannot know with certainty whether any souls who's passed away met the criteria, people like you attempt to undermine the actual objective criteria established by God and taught by the Church.  And even in the case of individuals, the clear presumption is that they are lost if they showed no outward indications of ever having met said criteria.  Consequently, the presumption is that the dead Jews are in hell.