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Re: Question for Geocentrists
« Reply #55 on: August 08, 2019, 06:10:03 PM »
Nonbelievers:
'This because their intellects have never been presented with truth itself as a concept, something the mind can apprehend. Their field of vision has been so narrowed to just the sensible here-and-now world that if they can’t touch it, see it, taste it or hear it, they don’t believe.' ---Voris.

And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.” --- (2 Thes 10)

But all men are vain, in whom there is not the knowledge of God: and who by these good things that are seen, could not understand him that is, neither by attending to the works have acknowledged who was the workman: But have imagined either the fire, or the wind, or the swift air, or the circle of the stars, or the great water, or the sun and moon, to be the gods that rule the world. With whose beauty, if they, being delighted, took them to be gods: let them know how much the Lord of them is more beautiful than they: for the first author of beauty made all those things. Or if they admired their power and their effects, let them understand by them, that he that made them, is mightier than they: For by the greatness of the beauty, and of the creature, the creator of them may be seen, so as to be known thereby.’ (Wisdom 13)

'But the fool on the hill
 Sees the sun going down
 And the eyes in his head
 See the world spinning 'round.’
---Beatles song.

Put on the armour of God that you may be able to stand up to the wiles of the devil. For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the Principalities and Powers, against the spiritual forces of wickedness on high.’ --- St Paul (Eph, ch.6, 10-12.)

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against the ungodliness and wickedness of those men who in wickedness hold back the truth of God, seeing that what may be known about God is manifest to them. For God has manifested it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen – His everlasting power also and divinity - being understood through the things that are made. And so they are without excuse, seeing that, although they knew God they did not glorify Him as God or give him thanks, but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds have been darkened. For while professing to be wise, they have become fools, and they have changed the glory of the incorruptible God for an image made like to corruptible man and to birds and four-footed beasts and creeping things.’ --- St Paul’s Letter to the Romans, (Ch.1:18-23)
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THANK YOU FOR WARNING PEOPLE ABOUT LIARS LIKE YOURSELF.
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Re: Question for Geocentrists
« Reply #56 on: August 08, 2019, 08:38:27 PM »
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Since you like St Augustine so much (and I like him too), perhaps you will like this quote
from him ...
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"If what they [astronomers] say is proved by unquestionable arguments, this holy Father does not say that the astronomers are to be ordered to dissolve their proofs and declare their own conclusions to be false. Rather, he says it must be demonstrated that what is meant in the Bible ... is not contrary to their proofs."
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Let me repeat that:
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If what they [astronomers] say is proved by unquestionable arguments, this holy Father does not say that the astronomers
are to be ordered to dissolve their proofs and declare their own conclusions to be false. Rather, he says it must be demonstrated
that what is meant in the Bible ... is not contrary to their proofs.
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In case you don't get it.  This is a DISCLAIMER.
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No saint makes disclaimers for REAL DOCTRINES of the Church.
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In other words, when the Bible says, "SHALL NOT BE MOVED", it may NOT support Geocentrism.
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As Pope Leo XIII said, things like "SHALL NOT BE MOVED" are the language of the day and not meant
to be taken literally, in our time.
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Then you have Pope Pius VII, who you say is a heretic.  You are sufferings from illusions of grandeur,
thinking you are the avenging angel of God.
Did he really call the Pope a heretic?


Re: Question for Geocentrists
« Reply #57 on: August 09, 2019, 06:36:00 AM »
April 8th, 1546, Council of Trent:
Furthermore, in order to curb imprudent clever persons, the synod decrees that no one who relies on his own judgement in matters of faith and morals, which pertain to the building up of Christian doctrine, and that no one who distorts the Sacred Scripture according to his own opinions, shall dare to interpret the said Sacred Scripture contrary to that sense that is held by holy Mother Church, whose duty it is to judge regarding the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers, even though interpretations of this kind were never intended to be brought to light. Let those who shall oppose this be reported by their ordinaries and be punished with the penalties prescribed by law.’ -- (Denzinger - 786)



Re: Question for Geocentrists
« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2019, 10:10:45 AM »
Did he really call the Pope a heretic?
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Yes, Cassini said so. He said he knows more than Pope Pius VII.
It reminds  me of my brother who is a Protestant.
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Re: Question for Geocentrists
« Reply #59 on: August 09, 2019, 10:28:44 AM »
April 8th, 1546, Council of Trent:
Furthermore, in order to curb imprudent clever persons, the synod decrees that no one who relies on his own judgement in matters of faith and morals, which pertain to the building up of Christian doctrine, and that no one who distorts the Sacred Scripture according to his own opinions, shall dare to interpret the said Sacred Scripture contrary to that sense that is held by holy Mother Church, whose duty it is to judge regarding the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers, even though interpretations of this kind were never intended to be brought to light. Let those who shall oppose this be reported by their ordinaries and be punished with the penalties prescribed by law.’ -- (Denzinger - 786)
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Cassini,
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You have a great day.
May God bless you.
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I'm planning to take a long break from this "debate" (ad hominem attacks, repeated lies,
refusal to answer my questions, refusal to accept anything later than 1633 AD, etc.)
and do something more useful.  Perhaps I will work on improving my website (DRBO.ORG).
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P.S.  Question. When you need to screw a light bulb into your light bulb socket in the
ceiling, do you call the house movers and have them rotate the house, while you hold
the light bulb fixed ?  
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Just asking, because that's what you expect God to do with the WHOLE UNIVERSE in
order to make the Sun "go up" and "go down" every day.
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To use your own argument about Pope Leo XII, the above quote you listed does not
say anything about Geocentrism or Heliocentrism, and that is because nothing in the
Bible proves either Geocentrism or Heliocentrism.
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Also you failed to mention the decree of 1820 by Pope Pius VII.
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Also you failed to mention that all of the books of Copernicus were taken OFF the
Index of forbidden books.
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Have fun, while I take a vacation from this yelling contest.
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