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Offline apollo

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Question for Geocentrists
« on: August 03, 2019, 11:02:20 AM »
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  • Why does the Earth have to be in the center of the universe ?
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    I know why you say it is, but why did God want it there and have
    everything go around the Earth?
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    Why does Sungenis think the Earth must be at the center ?
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    Why is the center so important ?

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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #1 on: August 03, 2019, 12:10:50 PM »
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  • The center is the focal point and everything around it is for it's benefit
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #2 on: August 03, 2019, 12:21:42 PM »
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  • Why does the Earth have to be in the center of the universe ?

    Does it HAVE to physically be at the center?  No.  Is it?  That's a different question.  We geocentrists believe that it is and, along, along with the Church fathers at the time of the Galileo issue, taught by God in Sacred Scripture.

    Is the earth the center of God's creative effort?  Did God create the entire universe for the existence of human beings on earth?  Absolutely.  That's been the unanimous teaching of the Church Fathers and every Catholic since (if you don't count the Novus Ordo modernists).

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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #3 on: August 03, 2019, 05:50:29 PM »
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  • E Rev around S :fryingpan:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #4 on: August 03, 2019, 06:02:33 PM »
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  • E Rev around S :fryingpan:

    Not even according to modern science, which actually holds that both E and S revolve around the barycenter of the solar system.  Get with it, man.   :fryingpan:


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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #5 on: August 03, 2019, 06:45:28 PM »
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  • I haven't studied the issue enough to be a staunch geocentrist. However, heliocentrism does appear suspicious to me. Maybe it was the Darwinism of its day. Or the climate change panic (in both being instances of fake science).

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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #6 on: August 03, 2019, 08:09:50 PM »
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  • [...] why did God want it there and have everything go around the Earth?
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    Why does Sungenis think the Earth must be at the center ?

    Probably, because Sungenis wants to conform his will to the will of God.

    Plus, because he thinks that "Galilei was wrong, the Church was right" (title of his two volumes on the topic).

    Galilei would have been cursed and condemned if he hadn't retracted and shown assent to certain propositions, including that the earth does not move around the sun.

    Luther did not retract when propositions of his were condemned.

    Who wants to follow Luther to where he is now?




    It is absurd to imagine that he who is outside can command in the Church — Leo XIII., Satis Cognitum, 1896

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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #7 on: August 03, 2019, 08:16:35 PM »
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  • Why does the Earth have to be in the center of the universe ?
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    I know why you say it is, but why did God want it there and have
    everything go around the Earth?
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    Why does Sungenis think the Earth must be at the center ?
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    Why is the center so important ?
    Because He's watching it at all times?


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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #8 on: August 04, 2019, 08:26:12 PM »
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  • If you would read the Genesis you'll see the Earth is made before the stars and part of the purpose for the stars is to mark the night, seasons, and years presumably because they were created in daily, seasonal, and annual motion. The Genesis does not record God later setting the Earth into motion and that would contradict later scriptural passages that compare God's immovability with the Earth's. 

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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #9 on: August 05, 2019, 04:44:44 AM »
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  • Why does the Earth have to be in the center of the universe ?
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    I know why you say it is, but why did God want it there and have
    everything go around the Earth?
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    Why does Sungenis think the Earth must be at the center ?
    .
    Why is the center so important ?

    The Earth does not have to be in the center of the Universe. That said:

    There are of course compelling reasons why the whole human race once accepted that the Earth is fixed at the centre of the cosmos and that it is the universe that rotates around us. The first of course is because we live on the Earth and therefore it is the centre of the universe for mankind, it being the natural or philosophical presupposition on which the life of man rests. This is confirmed by our senses as we witness the sun and stars move around us every 24 hours. The Earth feels fixed, giving no indication of a body that moves at phenomenal speeds in any way. This central reality moreover, totally fulfilled and answered all the needs and questions that could be thought up by man as regards our place in the cosmos, be they philosophical or metaphysical.

    Why does Sungenis think the Earth must be at the center?
    Because God revealed it is in His books called the Scriptures in many ways and Sungenis, like the Church itself, takes the Scriptures as the Word of God and true. Genesis tells us God created the Earth and around it placed the sun, moon and stars. Mary of Agreda in her Mystical City of God wrote: ‘God created the Earth conjointly with the heavens in order to call into existence hell in its centre; for, at the instant of its creation there were left in the interior of that globe spacious and wide cavities, suitable for Hell, Purgatory and Limbo.’ St Thomas Aquinas said Hell had to be the furthest place from Heaven. That happens to be the center of the Earth if the Earth is at the center of creation.
    Throughout the Bible are many references to a moving sun and stars around a fixed Earth, but none of a fixed sun, stars or moving Earth. Of all such citations, none are more significant than the references to the Lord’s footstool: The heaven is my throne and the Earth a footstool for my feet. What house will you build me says the Lord, or what shall be the place of my resting."  'In the Prophets and Apostoles visions of God, the Father is always seated on His throne. This is important. God is always at rest. Nothing disturbs him. Even in the Book of revelation where violent events are taking place on Earth are foretold you will find God seated on His Throne.' (Loveark. net) The term footstool then, far from being considered as incidental to the Holy throne, is best considered as a key component of the DAIS of the Melchisedech holy throne fashioned for one who is seated (in contradistinction to movement). The Earth is God's footstool at rest. To have it fly around the sun makes the Scriptures look foolish.

    Why is the center so important?
    Because it was God's way to show the special place of mankind in this universe. Man observes the Earth is at the center of the Universe and that terrestrial life is centered on mankind. The first dogma of Catholicism is that God can be known with certainty from the things that he made. Geocentrism was the greatest of all such observations. From it St Thomas completed the Sacred Docrine of Geocentrism.

    Alas once the heliocentric lie entered the minds of mankind, including churchmen, all the above was lost and with it billions of souls ceased to believe in God.

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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #10 on: August 05, 2019, 12:10:07 PM »
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  • The center is the focal point and everything around it is for it's benefit
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    So when God starts looking for the Earth, He does not have to
    put on His glasses ? 
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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #11 on: August 05, 2019, 12:21:19 PM »
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  • Does it HAVE to physically be at the center?  No.  Is it?  We geocentrists believe that it is ...
    taught by God in Sacred Scripture.
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    Can you find one verse in Scripture that contains the word "center" which pertains to
    the position of the Earth in the universe ?  I would like to see it.  DRBO.ORG
    has a good Bible search.
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    Is the earth the center of God's creative effort?  
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    That's not what I asked.

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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #12 on: August 05, 2019, 12:25:58 PM »
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  • Probably, because Sungenis wants to conform his will to the will of God.
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    What is the will of God?  How do you know it?

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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #13 on: August 05, 2019, 12:27:27 PM »
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  • Because He's watching it at all times?
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    So, God cannot watch anything all the time, unless
    it is in the center ?
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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #14 on: August 05, 2019, 12:36:29 PM »
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  • If you would read the Genesis you'll see the Earth is made before the stars and part of the purpose for the stars is to mark the night, seasons, and years presumably because they were created in daily, seasonal, and annual motion. The Genesis does not record God later setting the Earth into motion and that would contradict later scriptural passages that compare God's immovability with the Earth's.
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    It's not the stars purpose to define the seasons or years.  It's the Sun that does that, along with the tilt of the Earth's
    axis, or, as Geocentrists say, the Sun going up and down relative to the equatorial plane.
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    Can you find me that verse in Scripture that says the Earth is immovable relative to the Sun.
    Make sure the Sun is being compared to the Earth, because the words, "shall not be moved" in
    Scripture also pertain to mountains and a just man.
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