Author Topic: Missed Sunday obligation (Read 5232 times)

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #25 on:** August 04, 2013, 05:45:02 PM »

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It goes without saying that you should not attend a suspect and bastard rite, no matter how nearby it is. If you have questions about why this is so, I welcome them.

I ended up deciding against going to NO but would indeed appreciate a logical explanation of why staying home is preferable when a true mass is unavailable.

Because your obligation is to attend a Catholic liturgy. Would you go to the local ѕуηαgσgυє, mosque or protestant Church if you missed mass? Of course not. Similarly, a conciliar liturgy does not fulfill one's Sunday obligation.

By staying home, while you are not fulfilling the letter of the obligation, you can at least pray as a Catholic.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #26 on:** August 04, 2013, 06:05:59 PM »

Graham:

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You are in mortal sin; 40 minutes travel for a valid mass of St. Pius V is not unreasonable, far from it. Are you a Catholic or not?

Graham, are you? Catholics are required to receive valid instruction from competent authorities. You are not a priest, nor are you a theologian. You have no right, actually you are wrong, to pass public judgements on who is a mortal sinner. My own opinion is that 40 minute drive with the hazards of traffic and the cost of gas could be seen as unreasonable, but I don't set myself up as a final authority.

Frances · « **Reply #27 on:** August 04, 2013, 06:33:38 PM »

:shocked: I believe the travel rule wherein Mass is not required is if travel time is over one hour by conveyance, 30 minutes on foot, or is dangerous due to weather or conditions, or is unreasonably expensive. This wasn't the OP's question. If he'd have gone to bed earlier, he'd have been at Mass.
But to determine the degree of his sin is not up to us!

It is unwise to try and generate excuses for another. According to Church rules, I NEVER need hear Sunday Mass! It's more than hour's travel, would take a week on foot, requires I go through dangerous, crime-infested neighborhoods, and the price between gas and tolls is very unreasonable! But since I AM able, by God's Providence, to hear Mass most Sundays, despite these inconveniences, why wouldn't I? Do I sign up for government welfare when I do alright without it?
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For Greater Glory · « **Reply #28 on:** August 04, 2013, 07:03:20 PM »

Graham:

Quote: You are in mortal sin; 40 minutes travel for a valid mass of St. Pius V is not unreasonable, far from it. Are you a Catholic or not?

Lighthouse said:
Graham are you? Catholics are required to receive valid instruction from competent authorities. You are not a priest, nor or you a theologian. You have no right, actually you are wrong, to pass public judgments on who is a mortal sinner. My own opinion is that 40 minute drive with the hazards of traffic and the cost of gas could be seen as unreasonable, but I don't set myself up as a final authority.

Agreed, Lighthouse. One needs to speak with a good priest and even the good priests will give different answers at different times. I guess it's hard for everyone.
As I said earlier it's 50 and 70 miles to independent chapels here, but that's not the only consideration. My car is in high mileage. Husband retired 3 years, have to live on a budget and fixed income.
Praying that we might have clarity in the SSPX and maybe the resistance priests would come by. Fr. Pfeiffer did say they would try to get down this way for a visit.
Also, the SSPX says the John XXIII rite that was changed by Bugnini. The archbishop put some things back in, to make it acceptable.

Graham · « **Reply #29 on:** August 04, 2013, 09:11:07 PM »

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Graham:

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You are in mortal sin; 40 minutes travel for a valid mass of St. Pius V is not unreasonable, far from it. Are you a Catholic or not?

Graham, are you? Catholics are required to receive valid instruction from competent authorities. You are not a priest, nor are you a theologian. You have no right, actually you are wrong, to pass public judgements on who is a mortal sinner. My own opinion is that 40 minute drive with the hazards of traffic and the cost of gas could be seen as unreasonable, but I don't set myself up as a final authority.

Lighthouse, he said he missed mass because he slept in. It doesn't take a priest or a theologian to determine that he sinned mortally.