[Mysterium Fidei]

There are so many things that I find objectionable on this forum that I can no longer remain here in good conscience. . .

As opposed to Cesspool tank with its drag queen poster and the break up of the forum moderator's "civil" marriage after the whole Laura fake death fiasco.

Apparently her conscience doesn't find any of that objectionable enough for her to disassociate herself with that mess. But, she is running out of options. The Cesspool tank is about the only Catholic forum left for her, unless you count Catholic Answers as Catholic.

[Exfish]

There are so many things that I find objectionable on this forum that I can no longer remain here in good conscience. . .

As opposed to Cesspool tank with its drag queen poster and the break up of the forum moderator's "civil" marriage after the whole Laura fake death fiasco.

Apparently her conscience doesn't find any of that objectionable enough for her to disassociate herself with that mess. But, she is running out of options. The Cesspool tank is about the only Catholic forum left for her, unless you count Catholic Answers as Catholic.

She not only accepted that behaviour, she publicly defended that travesty.
She is Vox's right hand crypto. (in every way)
Thank God she left.

[Iuvenalis]

I really hope this departure gets enforced. No "backsies". If JK just cannot contain herself about some antisemitic post she sees and comments after days or weeks then pulls her usual "sorry for chiming in and making you all angry again, I understand why you'd be angry" routine she should be banned and the BS post deleted.

This dramatic exit should be enforced. Y'know, for her own good of course, since this place is such a danger to her. Yeah. That's it. *cough*

[Graham]

She's gone, I think. We can let this thread die now.

[Julie10]

I just want to say I agree with her as a new person trying to learn you guys are not hospitable at all.

I was excited to find this forum because I was hungry for more knowledge. I know I don't know much but where do you go today? I needed someone to tell me what books to read and where to go for the truth. I thought this forum was the place but people here are nasty and you do it in the name of "true charity".  There is a difference from sheparding someone gently and just being mean.

All I can say is that you are being fooled but the devil (some of you) because he uses the oldest military trick there is and that is divide and conquer. If we all ban together he has a hard time getting our souls but if he divides you by uses labels then it is easier. Why do you have to label everyone anyway? You think by telling her she is a NO that makes it ok to write her off? Maybe she came here to learn too and doesn't know as much as you. God puts those who know more with more responsibility to those who don't yet know.

Anyway. Not everyone was mean. I actually like Ggreg dude and that tiffany and there are a few others. I know some of you are like "she would like his posts.......whatever. Treat people like you want to be treated. I am done here too.

[Graham]

Julie, some of us have been interacting with JayneK for years. When we call her a hardened liberal and point out her trollish, even two-faced behaviour, we are making seasoned judgments.

And it seems to me that someone with only 16 posts can't say the same about their judgment of this forum. Whatever it's problems, trust me that if you stay here you will learn a lot about doctrine.

[Zeitun]

I just want to say I agree with her as a new person trying to learn you guys are not hospitable at all.

I was excited to find this forum because I was hungry for more knowledge. I know I don't know much but where do you go today? I needed someone to tell me what books to read and where to go for the truth. I thought this forum was the place but people here are nasty and you do it in the name of "true charity".  There is a difference from sheparding someone gently and just being mean.

All I can say is that you are being fooled but the devil (some of you) because he uses the oldest military trick there is and that is divide and conquer. If we all ban together he has a hard time getting our souls but if he divides you by uses labels then it is easier. Why do you have to label everyone anyway? You think by telling her she is a NO that makes it ok to write her off? Maybe she came here to learn too and doesn't know as much as you. God puts those who know more with more responsibility to those who don't yet know.

Anyway. Not everyone was mean. I actually like Ggreg dude and that tiffany and there are a few others. I know some of you are like "she would like his posts.......whatever. Treat people like you want to be treated. I am done here too.

Uh.....Jayne is NOT a new person.  And if I was being blinded by false ecuмenism and other heresies I would also want people to wake me up.  Even Our Lord was "mean" to heretics and apostates. You practice rash judgment.

The Catholic Faith is not about being "nithe".  It's about avoiding Hell.  

[Graham]

Though at around page 10 I start to wish we wouldn't dwell so much on Jayne, she is not after all the Antichrist.

[ggreg]

To be fair and honest, something I am known for  :wink:, JayneK is a total pain and I have told her so on several occasions. She deliberately takes contrary positions, spends inordinate amounts of time on line, though she pictures herself with multiple grandchildren.  She is a member of multiple Catholic forums, certainly enough to get her forum jollies off.

I bet if you asked her husband, after a couple of drinks, he would privately admit that she sits at the computer all day arguing with people on the Internet and he might even use the term "addiction".  Now sure, she is not the only person guilty of that, by any means, but the solution to all the hate lies in her hands.  Turn the computer off and go and babysit your grandchildren or bake a cake or make your husband a sandwich.

She joined CathInfo looking for a fight and to cross swords.  It's not like this place has suddenly changed its character all of a sudden.  It is well known on ALL to other Trad forums as being the most hardliner, nutty, wacko, call it what you will.  And JayneK was well aware of that before she joined because it was not the first forum she joined.

JayneK came here for one reason and one reason alone.  Because she was not getting her "fix" at the other forums.  She was the tough girl on the street in her white middle class world and decide to test her street fighting skills against people who live in the hood.  She got her arse handed to her and she is withdrawing shouting insults.

Ask people in any Trad parish anywhere in the world whether they would term a man who had a sex change operation and re-styled himself as a woman as "she" and "her" out of charity.  Ask your Trad priest whether one should do that?  See what he says.

[BTNYC]

I just want to say I agree with her as a new person trying to learn you guys are not hospitable at all.

I was excited to find this forum because I was hungry for more knowledge. I know I don't know much but where do you go today? I needed someone to tell me what books to read and where to go for the truth. I thought this forum was the place but people here are nasty and you do it in the name of "true charity".  There is a difference from sheparding someone gently and just being mean.

All I can say is that you are being fooled but the devil (some of you) because he uses the oldest military trick there is and that is divide and conquer. If we all ban together he has a hard time getting our souls but if he divides you by uses labels then it is easier. Why do you have to label everyone anyway? You think by telling her she is a NO that makes it ok to write her off? Maybe she came here to learn too and doesn't know as much as you. God puts those who know more with more responsibility to those who don't yet know.

Anyway. Not everyone was mean. I actually like Ggreg dude and that tiffany and there are a few others. I know some of you are like "she would like his posts.......whatever. Treat people like you want to be treated. I am done here too.

This lady coming to JayneK's defense might point to something fairly obvious that I don't think anyone has yet considered - that the complaints of the Charity Police are very frequently (around here at least) lobbed by women at men...

Is it simply a matter of the innate differences between the sexes clashing during online discourse? Women are emotional creatures whose capacity for dispassionate,  rational argumentation is limited by their very nature. And with good reason - disputation and debate are inherently masculine pursuits. I've known more than a few Catholic women who are otherwise doctrinally sound who will bristle at an assertion of Catholic truth if it comes across as "mean" or "harsh" and will then foolishly conflate an agressive masculine style with a "lack of charity."

Look at FE. There's a textbook example of the kind of madness that will ensue when a woman is not only engaged in disputation, but is actually in charge of the forum in which it plays out.

"Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed; then Eve. And Adam was not seduced; but the woman being seduced, was in the transgression." 1 Timothy 2:11-15

[Meg]

Hi All,

I thought it would be appropriate for me to introduce myself here since I was the other person banned on FE with Meg.

Like Meg, my ban is just as well.  I clearly don't fit in there.  There are a few others who think like I do, but they're also too busy watching what they are saying for fear of being chastised for being uncharitable or coming up against the fave posters.  Bottom line..Vox didn't like that I disagreed vehemently on the matter of worrying about being nicer so that others will like us more.  

I was literally thinking about leaving the forum when I returned to find out, well, that I couldn't even access my account.  No warnings.  Nothing.  For someone who is so concerned about being nice, it didn't even cross Vox's mind to at least give me a warning, etc. But then again, I'm not the kind of trad she wants there anyway, so why be nice?  Sooooo reminiscent of CAF.

I hear you guys are a bunch of meanies   :scared2:, so I'll have to see if I can fit in here.  So far I am 0-2 for Catholic forums.  

Welcome, 2Vermont! Glad to see you here. Yes, FE is similar to CAF, but then trads who have a liberal tendency, or smells and bells types, need to congregate somewhere, so FE is their place. The emphasis there, now, is to be super-nice, and Vox has a right to do what she wants, but this forum (CI) represents Tradition more accurately, IMO. I'll miss some of the posters there, though, like Tim. But oh well.

[Meg]

I was never attracted to trad Catholicism based on the niceness or meanness of trads. I was attracted to it because the Conciliar Church appeared to me to have nothing to do with Catholicism.

This is pretty much my take on it, too. People can go over-the-top with rudeness, which can become a problem, but I don't, any longer, judge solid Church teaching based on how nice a person is who is stating it.

[Meg]

People would be a much more charitable if Matthew insisted they at least use their real first name.  There is something about your name on the Internet, that keeps you honest.

The rude people here seem to forget that God can see right past that moniker of yours.  

Let me take this opportunity to apologize for any rudeness, I try to be kind, but I am not perfect.  

That is not bad advice.  My first name is Mike.  I don't want to stop being Sigismund (I have become quite attached to him  :wink:) but I will try to remember to add it to my posts.  

I like this idea. I, too, will put my real name at the end of posts from now on. I chose the user name 'Meg' because it's short for St. Margaret of Scotland. I wanted a short user name to make logging in easier, and didn't want to use my real name back then.

~Marcy

[Iuvenalis]

BTNYC,

Brilliant insight, great post.

[Iuvenalis]

I just want to say I agree with her as a new person trying to learn you guys are not hospitable at all.

I was excited to find this forum because I was hungry for more knowledge. I know I don't know much but where do you go today? I needed someone to tell me what books to read and where to go for the truth. I thought this forum was the place but people here are nasty and you do it in the name of "true charity".  There is a difference from sheparding someone gently and just being mean.

All I can say is that you are being fooled but the devil (some of you) because he uses the oldest military trick there is and that is divide and conquer. If we all ban together he has a hard time getting our souls but if he divides you by uses labels then it is easier. Why do you have to label everyone anyway? You think by telling her she is a NO that makes it ok to write her off? Maybe she came here to learn too and doesn't know as much as you. God puts those who know more with more responsibility to those who don't yet know.

Anyway. Not everyone was mean. I actually like Ggreg dude and that tiffany and there are a few others. I know some of you are like "she would like his posts.......whatever. Treat people like you want to be treated. I am done here too.

Perhaps this whole internet forum thing isn't for you.

This place is quite tame compared to most forums on the internet in my experience.

Although, there's a model train forum that is quite civil, never seen nastygrams there.

Anyway, JayneK is known to many of us. As has been said, she is not 'new'. She has been around for quite awhile, and we know her from other fora (I myself only participate in one at a time due to time constraints). I myself knew her from Fisheaters.

She did the same nonsense there. Difference being, the owner was sympathetic to her brand of nonsense.

Here, she just gets politely told don't let the door hit her in the fanny on the way out.

As it should be.

She is not 'reachable' by charity. She did not come here to learn anything, so no one will waste their time trying to 'teach' her anything, must less do so patiently. She is incorrigible. I even think her picture is a tool to disarm people or make them treat her with undue deference (who wants to take the gloves off with a grandmother??)

As for you, you could learn some 'charity' as well by not jumping to conclusions or assuming things. If you've been lurking and reading as you suggest, or looked at her post count, you too could have gleaned that she is on numerous fora, even run a search of those fora, or just read any of the posts here that show clearly people are responding to her (lengthy) track record, and not her one simpering post.

Instead, you wag a finger then take your toys and go home. Sound and fury.

So, you too can exit, and beware that door as well on your way out.

Here's a place you might be more at home, you will find they are 'nice' (provided you don't express any opinions): CA Forums