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Father Hesse on the Mass.
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2011, 03:23:03 AM »
I listened to many of Mons. Hesse´s speeches and it is always the same story.

He makes the claim that some major parts of the Mass belong to the depositum fidei , but where does he get that from? As all the Sacraments were instituted by Our Lord, the liturgies are in substance of divine origin and cannot be changed by the Supreme Pontiff in this regard ("...nullam habet potestatem mutandi"). But the biggest part of the ceremonies surrounding the Holy Sacrifice  itself are of ecclesiastical origin and are therefore subject to the ecclesiastical lawgiver, as one can easily read in any book of Canon Law.
Anywhere I read, the liturgical laws are named in one sentence with disciplinary laws, which are infallible (theologically certain, the manuals tell us). On the other side, I cannot find any trace of Mons. Hesse´s claims.

I copied some relevant pages from Wernz-Vidal "Ius Canonicuм", Tom. IVa "De Rebus", tit. IX., "De Legislatoribus et Liblis Liturgicis", pag. 410-418):

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St. Pius X. changes were the most extreme changes to the liturgy since St. Pius V. He completely changed the Psalter which was in use since the times of the Desert Fathers. This was a complete innovation and novelty.
(Of course, there is at least one sede priest who rejects Pius X. for precisely this reason...)


PS: I don´t know why I said Urban VI., of course I meant Urban VIII. who, sadly so, changed the beautiful hymns of the Roman Breviary. Luckily, they are still to be found in the Monastic ones.


Father Hesse on the Mass.
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2011, 06:57:30 AM »
I think, Canon Law supports this:

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Can 2. Codex, plerumque, nihil decernit de ritibus et caeremoniis quas liturgici libri, ab Ecclesia Latina probati, servandas praecipiunt in celebratione sacrosancti Missae sacrificii, in administratione Sacramentorum et Sacramentalium aliisque sacris peragendis. Quare omnes liturgicae leges vim suam retinent nisi earum aliqua in Codice expresse corrigatur.


I got there through Fr. Rado OSB, "Enchiridion Liturgicuм" Vol. I, Rome 1961, "De iure ordinante cultum publicuм", p. 26


it is also interesting to see that St. Pius X. decrees his liturgical changes in the breviary in saying that it is the will of the Supreme Pontiff. (op. cit. p. 22)

I also consulted Fr. Oppenheim OSB, "Principia Theologiae Liturgicae", Turin 1947 and studied Fr. Jungmann´s celebrated "Missarum Sollemnia", but I don´t have it in my own library. Every author starts with explaining the Liturgical Laws with decrees Mons. Hesse calls "illegal", "illegitimate" or "ceasaro-papist". I have nowhere found proof for the opposite, even though I am (as a big fan of the old Holy Week) very interested.


So, do you agree with Hesse´s position, that the Novus Ordo is most likely in itself invalid and that the rubrics of St. Pius X. are the last legitimate rubrics for Holy Mass and the Divine Office?


Edit: Proofs for the plain Papal supremacy in liturgical laws can be found from the very beginnings from Christianity. Maybe the latest are of special interest, some here: http://imageshack.us/g/834/66847508.jpg/