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Dimond brothers
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2016, 04:55:58 PM »
Arvinger, I will open a thread about your response, here in the general section,  as it seems to me we're risking derailing the topic.

Dimond brothers
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2016, 02:01:20 AM »
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Indeed, their interpretations of Revelation might seem to be probable taken at face value, but I think what detracts a lot from their credibility is Dimond's position of Fatima - according to them Pope Pius XII's 1952 Consecration of Russia was valid, we already had period of piece which Our Lady promised (even though 1952 the world is constantly at war) and conversion of Russia was "conversion to peace", not to the Catholic faith (which runs against clear words of Our Lady and history of Marian apparitions), which is grasping at straws in attempt to squeeze Fatima into their end-times interpretation of Revelation and Malachy's prophecy.



I do thank the Dimonds for citing “Our Lady of Fatima” by William Thomas Walsh (1891-1949). Bought the book to give me a ‘jolt’ from Traditional malaise.
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“That Lady said that many souls go to hell…" “and people go there who commit sins and don’t confess them, and they stay forever and burn.” …”Jacinta, what are you thinking of? Asked Lucia one day. “Of that war that is going to come, and of so many people who are going to die and go to Hell.” … pg. 88,89



And as a counter (for me at least) to the pop culture I live in; in particular to fighting the Naturalism surrounding my state in life.
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“How must we sacrifice?” asked Lucia. “With all your power offer a sacrifice as an act of reparation for the sinners by whom He is offended, and of supplication for the conversion of sinners…Above all accept and endure with submission the suffering which the Lord will send you.” pg. 39


Grant it, this is nothing striking in the spiritual realm; but knowing myself,  I easily complain of the little trials God sends me and too attached to creature comforts...and the below is a reminder to me to re-interpret a 'cross' - away from a naturalistic viewpoint, to instead a supernatural view (hopefully I'm in the state of grace); to that so called "supernatural gold."
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“Sacrifice yourselves for sinners,” she repeated, “and say many times, especially when you make some sacrifice: “O’ Jesus, it is for your love, for the conversion of sinners and in reparation for the sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.” pg. 80


I fear too, that being a Traditionalist, I can be too smug (proud); especially when comparing myself to non-Traditionalist; but back then - this was before Vatican II and all the Masses and Catholics were in essence, "traditional," ...just blown away of a 'girl' who would be in Purgatory till the end of the world...wonder what sins she committed?
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“Heaven! Lucia suddenly remembered two girls who had died recently. They were friends of her family, and used to go to her house to learn weaving from her sister Maria. ‘Is Maria da Neves now in Heaven? She asked. “Yes, she is.” And Amelia? “She will be in purgatory until the end of the world.” Purgatory! The end of the world!....pg. 51.


Dimond brothers
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2016, 08:16:49 AM »
I read the Dimond's website on a regular basis, and when I saw the video about Fatima, I saw many interesting and different observations in it, however, it is full of holes. The one that stuck out was their "period of piece" when there was no period of peace.

My conclusion was that they believe this is the great chastisement and the end of times, that we are living in. From there they interpret Fatima. That is the bottom line.

It is tough to argue that this is not the great chastisement, I mean, how can the hierarchy apostatize more than today at some time after Fatima's real period of peace and conversion of Russia and the World?

The Dimond's might just be on the right conclusion, however, how they get there. the details, are not correct.

It all hinges on whether this is the the great chastisement or not. No?


Re: Dimond brothers
« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2019, 09:24:10 PM »
I have listened to and researched 90 percent of the Dimond's material and I can't find any heresy or error. Sure, they have a lot of opinions on prophecy, that are neither here nor there. Their opinions on prophecy are very interesting, but not infallible. I have read from those who try to "debunk" the Dimonds and their material is nonsense. I challenge someone to post something credible that refutes them point by point. These two totally shred all of their opponents. I am not a "devotee of the Dimonds", but i am a student of the Church for over 30 years. Theses two aren't going to win any popularity contests by their "bedside  manor", but hey, the truth hurts sometimes. On the subject of the faith they don't invent anything. They just bring up dogma and doctrine that has already been settled or proclaimed. 

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Re: Dimond brothers
« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2019, 12:30:05 AM »

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I read the Dimond's website on a regular basis, and when I saw the video about Fatima, I saw many interesting and different observations in it, however, it is full of holes. The one that stuck out was their "period of piece" when there was no period of peace.

My conclusion was that they believe this is the great chastisement and the end of times, that we are living in. From there they interpret Fatima. That is the bottom line.

It is tough to argue that this is not the great chastisement, I mean, how can the hierarchy apostatize more than today at some time after Fatima's real period of peace and conversion of Russia and the World?  The Dimond's might just be on the right conclusion, however, how they get there. the details, are not correct. 

It all hinges on whether this is the the great chastisement or not. No?
Many of the Church Fathers say that the chastisement precedes the period of peace, then after the peace is over, the time of the anti-christ comes.  The chastisement is NOT during the anti-christ's time, this is for sure.  Our Lady of Fatima does not talk about the anti-christ, but she does talk about a chastisement in the form of revolutions, martydoms and social upheavals (culminating in the 3 days of darkness, which is prophesized elsewhere).  The 3 days of darkness is NOT connected to the time of the anti-christ in any prophecy that i've ever read, so this is another sign that the time of the chastisement precedes the anti-christ.
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Some confusion arises when we hear of the "end times" and many people correlate this phrase to the time of the anti-christ only.  But many of the Church Fathers talk of these 3 time periods - the chastisement, the peace and the anti-christ - as the 'end times", because all together, they are connected.
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One thing that the Church Fathers are unanimous on, is that the Great Apostasy is not happening now because before the anti-christ comes, there are 6-7 different things that must happen to the world before his arrival.  One being that the whole world will be Catholic, which has not happened yet in all of history.  The USA has never been a catholic country.  Same with China, Japan, Thailand, etc.  The period of peace will be the time when the whole world will follow Christ and his Church like never before.  This is why when the anti-christ comes and seduces the world, it is called the "Great Apostasy" because all those who follow him into error actively reject catholicism.
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The Chastisement that we have seen since V2 and which may or may not culminate in persecutions, and possibly an outlawing of the mass for a time, is not the same as will happen under the anti-christ.  In our period, the trials we may face will be a precursor to those of the anti-christ, but not be as long or as encompassing.  In our period, Our Lady will triumph over satan's forces (i.e. Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ), while in the future, Christ will triumph over the anti-christ and satan himself.  In our period, Our Lady will save those countries and people who are catholic and then convert the world as a result of Her triumph.  In the future, Christ will save all countries and peoples and the world will end.  In our period, the mass may be outlawed in certain countries but not all (since it's not said everywhere).  In the future, the anti-christ will outlaw the mass for the entire world.
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The best explanation for all of this is that the Chastisement is the end of the 5th age of the Church, with the 6th age being the period of peace and the Age of Mary, and this peace followed by the rise of the anti-christ in the 7th and final age of the Church.  This is Ven Holzhauzer's explanation and it agrees very well with many prophecies and with the volumes written by the Church Fathers.