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Offline theresao1965

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« on: January 28, 2016, 08:06:01 AM »
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  • I am a bit new to this site, so pardon me if this has been discussed elsewhere. Over the years I have heard many things about the Dimond brothers.  I really have no clear grasp on who they are, what their theological position is, etc. It has been a Smörgasbord of info, good, bad, indifferent...Anyone with any specific information or over all basic information on them, would be helpful.
    "Listen, put it into your heart, my youngest and dearest son, that the thing that disturbs you, the thing that afflicts you, is nothing. Do not let your countenance, your heart be disturbed. Am I not here, I, who am your Mother? Are you not under my shado

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    « Reply #1 on: January 28, 2016, 08:41:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: theresao1965
    I am a bit new to this site, so pardon me if this has been discussed elsewhere. Over the years I have heard many things about the Dimond brothers.  I really have no clear grasp on who they are, what their theological position is, etc. It has been a Smörgasbord of info, good, bad, indifferent...Anyone with any specific information or over all basic information on them, would be helpful.

    They are a couple of guys who (sacrilegiously) call themselves Benedictine monks, who have always lacked both Church approval to function and any theological training.

    They are inundated with heresy, very possibly are infiltrators...those "in the know" have confirmed they are really into "the benjamins".

    AVOID!
    "More souls go to Hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason." -Our Lady of Fatima, to Jacinta Marto


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    « Reply #2 on: January 28, 2016, 08:50:19 AM »
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  • Thank you for your reply. They, also, send me their 'stuff' through the US Mail, which land up ALWAYS in the garbage, unopened. Not sure how they got my info!  :furtive:
    "Listen, put it into your heart, my youngest and dearest son, that the thing that disturbs you, the thing that afflicts you, is nothing. Do not let your countenance, your heart be disturbed. Am I not here, I, who am your Mother? Are you not under my shado

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    « Reply #3 on: January 28, 2016, 09:03:20 AM »
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  • This is from 2005 but I don't think anything has changed with them since then.
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    « Reply #4 on: January 28, 2016, 09:04:43 AM »
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    I am a bit new to this site, so pardon me if this has been discussed elsewhere. Over the years I have heard many things about the Dimond brothers.  I really have no clear grasp on who they are, what their theological position is, etc. It has been a Smörgasbord of info, good, bad, indifferent...Anyone with any specific information or over all basic information on them, would be helpful.

    They are a couple of guys who (sacrilegiously) call themselves Benedictine monks, who have always lacked both Church approval to function and any theological training.

    They are inundated with heresy, very possibly are infiltrators, and are really into "the benjamins".

    AVOID!


    Could you please just give an objective overview?

    Dimond brothers have adopted a very radical dogmatic sedevacantism to the point that they effectively consider as non-Catholic anyone who recognizes the legitimacy of the V2 Popes.  IMO this has caused them to succumb at times to bitter zeal.

    They also have a very strong emphasis on the dogma EENS (no salvation outside the Church).  They consider Baptism of Desire to be heresy, even when held to in a way that doesn't directly undermine EENS or the necessity of the Sacraments for salvation (as St. Thomas did for example).

    As for their status as religious, no, they were not officially and canonically established as such, but, then again, given the crisis in the Church, NONE of the Traditional religious orders have any such canonical establishment either.  So this bitter ad hominem against them for not having Church approval is nonsense.  Neither does SSPX, CMRI, SSPV, etc.  CMRI and SSPV have established religious communities without any formal canonical approval.  Dimonds were mentored by an older Benedictine for some time and that's where they derive their "commission" as it were to be Benedictines, but that's not at all unlike MOST of the Traditional religious orders.

    They do a lot of good work with videos/books on miracles, creation vs. evolution, Padre Pio, heaven/hell, and Catholic Anti-Protestant apologetics.  They also sell their materials for very cheap and are not about making money; I can't see how they don't lose money given the prices they have.  Plus they have pretty much everything available online for free.

    Lest someone try to characterize them as pure evil.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 28, 2016, 09:06:43 AM »
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  • Hello Theresa, it's me Myrna.  The Dimond brothers main agenda is to trap anyone who does not agree with them.  They record telephone conversations, make videos  of their "enemies"  and edit them to their liking.  Everyone is a heretic or schismatic that speaks out against them.  They preach absolutely no Baptism of Desire nor of Blood.  

    Much of their information from their literature is spot on and that is the way they get you into their camp.  Although they speak very poorly of everyone, as I said who is not connected to them, they go to some of the very priests they speak ill of  to receive the Sacraments, I am told, not sure about that but have read it here on this forum, if you can believe everything you read here.   :jester:

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    « Reply #6 on: January 28, 2016, 09:43:25 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
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    Quote from: theresao1965
    I am a bit new to this site, so pardon me if this has been discussed elsewhere. Over the years I have heard many things about the Dimond brothers.  I really have no clear grasp on who they are, what their theological position is, etc. It has been a Smörgasbord of info, good, bad, indifferent...Anyone with any specific information or over all basic information on them, would be helpful.

    They are a couple of guys who (sacrilegiously) call themselves Benedictine monks, who have always lacked both Church approval to function and any theological training.

    They are inundated with heresy, very possibly are infiltrators, and are really into "the benjamins".

    AVOID!


    Could you please just give an objective overview?

    Dimond brothers have adopted a very radical dogmatic sedevacantism to the point that they effectively consider as non-Catholic anyone who recognizes the legitimacy of the V2 Popes.  IMO this has caused them to succumb at times to bitter zeal.

    They also have a very strong emphasis on the dogma EENS (no salvation outside the Church).  They consider Baptism of Desire to be heresy, even when held to in a way that doesn't directly undermine EENS or the necessity of the Sacraments for salvation (as St. Thomas did for example).

    As for their status as religious, no, they were not officially and canonically established as such, but, then again, given the crisis in the Church, NONE of the Traditional religious orders have any such canonical establishment either.  So this bitter ad hominem against them for not having Church approval is nonsense.  Neither does SSPX, CMRI, SSPV, etc.  CMRI and SSPV have established religious communities without any formal canonical approval.  Dimonds were mentored by an older Benedictine for some time and that's where they derive their "commission" as it were to be Benedictines, but that's not at all unlike MOST of the Traditional religious orders.

    They do a lot of good work with videos/books on miracles, creation vs. evolution, Padre Pio, heaven/hell, and Catholic Anti-Protestant apologetics.  They also sell their materials for very cheap and are not about making money; I can't see how they don't lose money given the prices they have.  Plus they have pretty much everything available online for free.

    Lest someone try to characterize them as pure evil.


    Ladislaus:

    The dvd producer John Maffei, although he deeply regrets it now, used to do their stuff.

    He posts his email address on his website, which is john.maffei1@verizon.net

    John reported that when Michael Dimond's "mentor" died, the next day, Michael drained the mentor's bank account of more than $800,000.

    "The Bros" then abruptly left the "monastery" in Berlin, NJ, leaving a huge evidenced scandal behind, that landed Michael in court, as many long-time traditionalists familiar with these facts can verify.

    It's really too bad they conned you.
    "More souls go to Hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason." -Our Lady of Fatima, to Jacinta Marto

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    « Reply #7 on: January 28, 2016, 09:53:28 AM »
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  • What I know is they are the single most hated "traditionalist" group on the face of the Earth.


    Both for their own errors and for their truths (unpalatable to most).


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    « Reply #8 on: January 28, 2016, 09:54:12 AM »
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    It's really too bad they conned you.


    Nobody's "conned" me.  Unlike yourself, I was trying to give an objective picture.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 28, 2016, 09:55:27 AM »
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    What I know is they are the single most hated "traditionalist" group on the face of the Earth.


    Yep.  Hands down.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 28, 2016, 10:05:46 AM »
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    They are inundated with heresy


    Could you post just a few examples, out of this figurative inundation?

    Surely, it will be a easy task.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 28, 2016, 10:11:19 AM »
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    What I know is they are the single most hated "traditionalist" group on the face of the Earth.


    Both for their own errors and for their truths (unpalatable to most).


    If their truths are truths, then they belong to everyone and can be found elsewhere. They do not corner that market and there is no need for most of us to expose ourselves to their errors.


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    « Reply #12 on: January 28, 2016, 10:20:10 AM »
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    It's really too bad they conned you.


    Nobody's "conned" me.  Unlike yourself, I was trying to give an objective picture.

    You're obviously pretty young and not qualified to.

    You, like many of your generation, greedily took their bait.

    Pope Pius X (ON THE DOCTRINE OF THE MODERNISTS): ".. for owing to the efforts of the enemy of the human race, there have never been lacking "men speaking perverse things,"1 "vain talkers and seducers,"2 "erring and driving into error."3 It must, however, be confessed that these latter days have witnessed a notable increase in the number of the enemies of the Cross of Christ, who, by arts entirely new and full of deceit, are striving to destroy the vital energy of the Church, and, as far as in them lies, utterly to subvert the very Kingdom of Christ."
    "More souls go to Hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason." -Our Lady of Fatima, to Jacinta Marto

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    « Reply #13 on: January 28, 2016, 11:55:10 AM »
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  • Young and unqualified? I don't know if that's how I'd characterize Ladislaus even if I frequently disagree with him. "Young" is subjective anyway. The same person can be young to a 60 yr old but old to a 20 yr old.


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    « Reply #14 on: January 28, 2016, 12:09:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: Desmond
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    They are inundated with heresy


    Could you post just a few examples, out of this figurative inundation?

    Surely, it will be a easy task.


    Schism.

    They excommunicate anyone they disagree with. They set themselves up to be a de-facto Pope of the whole Catholic world.

    What part of that is Catholic?


    By the way, Desmond, we don't need to have more than one grave error to conclude AVOID THIS GROUP.

    Their bitter zeal and schism permeates most of their writings. They are very dangerous. They cause Catholics to become dogmatic Home Aloners, staying at home every Sunday even when they have a perfectly good Tridentine Mass a short distance away!

    In this way they PROMOTE THE DESTRUCTION OF CATHOLIC SOULS.

    I think that's enough error for me to say AVOID AT ALL COSTS.

    Whatever "truths" they have can be found hundreds -- even thousands -- of other places. If the whole MHFM site went down, the world would lose NOTHING.

    Just like Vatican II.
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